What's wrong with people?

[OmgItsaGhost!]

I also think there is a difference between "lol ur mod suckz" and "I won't use the mod myself because it doesn't fit my taste but I can see the effort you put into it. Nice work!".

 

 

 

Yeah seriously. Just because a mod exists, doesn't mean you NEED to use it. I'm not crazy about Bouncing Boobs mods myself, but I have nothing bad to say about them, it just doesn't interest me. It's an option. What I do have to say is the people who work on those mods do one hell of an amazing job on what they were going for.

 

If it was mandatory, like it is in Saints Row the Third, I might have an issue, but that's the beauty of mods. You don't have to use them if you don't want to.

[Morokh]

Let me be the devil's advocate for a second here.

 

The reason I play Skyrim, and any game by that matter, is because I like what makes the game, and that is, it's setting, it's atmosphere and the tone the devs build for the game.

 

When I see for instance pure anime-ish mods that look completely out of place, I quite often wonder WHY ? at first.

 

You see, if want to play an anime-like game I just put Persona 4 in my PS2 and here I go ! Why play Skyrim like this, it's just not Skyrim anymore.

 

Get the idea ?

 

But being more the kind of player that can admire the effort put into a mod (having tried to do some stuff myself) I'll just keep that to myself and move on.

As an exemple I'll never download GSB's futa mods and race for Oblivion, but I can't deny that it is quite nice work.

 

I'm more the lore friendly type of player even if I allow myself some more funny stuff from time to time (wouldn't be posting here otherwise )

 

On the other hand there also are mods intended to be lore friendly that just tend to be plain stupid, or where the modders are way over their heads even if the original idea was interesting, but they don't seem to get the same type of reactions.

[DorkDiva]

One thing people tend to forget, many modders just make the mods they want to create for themselves. The populace of the modding community is not a concern, You will never find me going" oh crap, I hope everyone votes for my work, I hope they worship it to the end of time!" I made it for the sake of making something. Don't care if it is liked or not, or if it is lore friendly. They share it for the sake of sharing and being friendly. There are some, but a lot are not out there to out do other modders or get into some elite spot at some modding site. It is not about competition, or "hey asshole, look what I can do! Mine is better than yours ha!". Texturing, 3D modeling, just coming up with the ideas, that enjoyment when it all comes together and it is working in game without any hitches. It is fun to create things. Really enjoyable.

And really, if you don't like it , oh well, there's others out there to try right? Quit crying about it. Enough is enough.

[DocClox]

Let me be the devil's advocate for a second here.

 

Can I play too?

 

When I see for instance pure anime-ish mods that look completely out of place' date=' I quite often wonder WHY ? at first.

 

You see, if want to play an anime-like game I just put Persona 4 in my PS2 and here I go ! Why play Skyrim like this, it's just not Skyrim anymore.

 

Get the idea ?

[/quote']

 

Sure I do. And since you've carefully avoided telling any of these anime-fan mod-makers that they can't do what they're doing, I don't suppose anyone has a problem with that. Obviously, you're entitled to your opinion, whatever it may be.

 

Do I pass the test?

 

On the other hand there also are mods intended to be lore friendly that just tend to be plain stupid' date=' or where the modders are way over their heads even if the original idea was interesting, but they don't seem to get the same type of reactions.

[/quote']

 

Sturgeon's Law applies: 90% of everything is crap.

 

Now if you had intended to move from an unexpressed dislike of anime mods (or a hypothetical dislike expressed purely for the sake of argument) and wanted to progress to actually stating that some people did not have the right to make mods that offended certain sensibilities, I'd be forced to ask "who decides?" I'd ask "is this not, in effect, a flimsy attempt to justify an attempt tell other people what do to, and for no better reason than your own personal gratification?"

 

But you haven't done that, so I'll keep that bit to myself

[Symon]

It's always like this with any new, popular game that can be modded.

 

What needs to be remembered is that:-

Many of these people will have lost interest in six months anyway.

Some of them are extremely young, children really, despite the games age tag and lack in basic living skills like politeness.

Many are carried away with the 'Internet Culture' that equates 'being cool' with being uneducated, brash, rude and ignorant. (example: 'I don't like to waste time reading', especially readmes of course).

 

In short, it will slowly get better as time goes on. The Morrowind community is much more polite than the Oblivion one, which in turn is (and will be) much more polite than the Skyrim one. Honestly, I just grit my teeth every time I see a dumb comment or question that a little reading or searching would have answered. As an example, I personally don't like anime, but am quite happy that other prople do, so I also remain silent when someone else obviously loves it.

 

Age and experience I hope.

[Daguy]

Modders are the lifeblood of a community, and should be treated with respect for their work and kindness is sharing. I generally agree, but I feel it can be taken too far. I've seen a fair few posts like this around here latelty, and its actually starting to concern me - not because the general idea isn't true, but how far it can be taken.

 

For example, being being ripped into and insulted for constructive critisism.

 

Sometimes people are just asses. However, when genuine fans are smacked down by the modders for daring to suggest that there may be a flaw in their perfect creation, and that they as consumers should stay silent unless they wish to spout endless praise... well, that destroys communties just as surely as anything on the Nexus. Or it warps them into something that encourages lurking, because posting is unpleasant.

 

Modders/Contributors are great, the heart and soul of a community like this, but at the end of the day - as people - they are no better or more important than the person thanking them or offering input. In the same way that the community would die without the modders; it would die just as surely if people just leeched because they had no incentive to post. It either becomes full of hollow praise, or little more than a place to host your files. Certainly not a 'community of likeminded individuals'.

 

I, personally, would feel no desire to be part of a community where I felt I could not speak freely, for fear of being verbally carpet bombed by the modder and a legion of their fans. You don;t always need over zelous moderators, fans of a modder can be bad enough. Thats not to say i'm going to use that freedom to abuse modders or declaring 'teh suck' of certain mods - but a community where you are walking on eggshells with anything but gushing praise and thanks is not in any way warm or welcoming, and is only a 'great community' for the select few.

 

Just to be clear - I am not talking about LL now, i'm talking about how places can become when certain mindsets are taken too far. When modders are practically treated like deitys. A community is not simply a pedastal to place modders upon.

 

Right now I love this place. But simply 'not being like the Nexus' is not a roadplan to a pleasant community. Nor is making people afraid to offer their input.

 

 

 

[FastestDogInTheDistrict]

Modders are the lifeblood of a community' date=' and should be treated with respect for their work and kindness is sharing. I generally agree, but I feel it can be taken too far. I've seen a fair few posts like this around here latelty, and its actually starting to concern me - not because the general idea isn't true, but how far it can be taken.

 

For example, being being ripped into and insulted for constructive critisism.

 

Sometimes people are just asses. However, when genuine fans are smacked down by the modders for daring to suggest that there may be a flaw in their perfect creation, and that they as consumers should stay silent unless they wish to spout endless praise... well, that destroys communties just as surely as anything on the Nexus. Or it warps them into something that encourages lurking, because posting is unpleasant.

 

Modders/Contributors are great, the heart and soul of a community like this, but at the end of the day - as people - they are no better or more important than the person thanking them or offering input. In the same way that the community would die without the modders; it would die just as surely if people just leeched because they had no incentive to post. It either becomes full of hollow praise, or little more than a place to host your files. Certainly not a 'community of likeminded individuals'.

 

I, personally, would feel no desire to be part of a community where I felt I could not speak freely, for fear of being verbally carpet bombed by the modder and a legion of their fans. You don;t always need over zelous moderators, fans of a modder can be bad enough. Thats not to say i'm going to use that freedom to abuse modders or declaring 'teh suck' of certain mods - but a community where you are walking on eggshells with anything but gushing praise and thanks is not in any way warm or welcoming, and is only a 'great community' for the select few.

 

Just to be clear - I am not talking about LL now, i'm talking about how places can become when certain mindsets are taken too far. When modders are practically treated like deitys. A community is not simply a pedastal to place modders upon.

 

Right now I love this place. But simply 'not being like the Nexus' is not a roadplan to a pleasant community. Nor is making people afraid to offer their input.

 

 

 

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A very fair-minded post, and very well-said.

[Nalim]

Modders are the lifeblood of a community' date=' and should be treated with respect for their work and kindness is sharing. I generally agree, but I feel it can be taken too far. I've seen a fair few posts like this around here latelty, and its actually starting to concern me - not because the general idea isn't true, but how far it can be taken.

 

For example, being being ripped into and insulted for constructive critisism.

 

Sometimes people are just asses. However, when genuine fans are smacked down by the modders for daring to suggest that there may be a flaw in their perfect creation, and that they as consumers should stay silent unless they wish to spout endless praise... well, that destroys communties just as surely as anything on the Nexus. Or it warps them into something that encourages lurking, because posting is unpleasant.

 

Modders/Contributors are great, the heart and soul of a community like this, but at the end of the day - as people - they are no better or more important than the person thanking them or offering input. In the same way that the community would die without the modders; it would die just as surely if people just leeched because they had no incentive to post. It either becomes full of hollow praise, or little more than a place to host your files. Certainly not a 'community of likeminded individuals'.

 

I, personally, would feel no desire to be part of a community where I felt I could not speak freely, for fear of being verbally carpet bombed by the modder and a legion of their fans. You don;t always need over zelous moderators, fans of a modder can be bad enough. Thats not to say i'm going to use that freedom to abuse modders or declaring 'teh suck' of certain mods - but a community where you are walking on eggshells with anything but gushing praise and thanks is not in any way warm or welcoming, and is only a 'great community' for the select few.

 

Just to be clear - I am not talking about LL now, i'm talking about how places can become when certain mindsets are taken too far. When modders are practically treated like deitys. A community is not simply a pedastal to place modders upon.

 

Right now I love this place. But simply 'not being like the Nexus' is not a roadplan to a pleasant community. Nor is making people afraid to offer their input.

 

 

 

[/quote']

 

I really hope you didn't take my post as a "I cant handle criticism" thing. Every time I get a negative comment (unless it's a very hostile one) that doesn't give an explanation of what the problem is I sent a pm asking the person to expand the opinion and give me an idea what I could do to remedy the problem. If it's a valid point I try to absorb the input.

 

[Tora]

There's nothing wrong with criticism if it's honest and reasonable. As has been said many times before, it doesn't benefit anyone when people run around yelling useless random crap like "you suck", "I hate anime", "it's not realistic enough", "it doesn't fit", etcetra... like we should care about their personal preferences? We really don't need people like that.

[Quemon]

Some pictures at nexus are crap, we've to deal with it.

[Ryanhabs]

I honestly think that for the most part any mods that I have "followed" and commented on, the author of said mod has never took offense or felt he / she needed to defend their creation as it all comes down to not posting a simple 3 word or less complaint. I think almost any modder out there will gladly accept criticism so long it is a well thought out and descriptive comment. Not to over use this but I have seen so many 3 word or less negative feedback posts such as, "garbage", "this sucks", "anime sucks", so on and so forth. I think those comments are what initiate the hostile attitude starting to form between modders and the general community. If you think anime sucks and the mod sample pics looks anime-ish to you... why the fuck did they download it to begin with? Even more so why comment on something you have not downloaded or never even planned on using in the first place? If you have not tried the mod at all or don't care for what the mod does, then there is a 100% chance that your comments towards the mod will just be worthless and unhelpful.

 

On the other hand, if you do download a mod and like it, you should do your part and take 2 or 3 mins to at least post a thank you, or post why you like the mod... is it really that hard. Hell, I even know people that have a notepad file with their so called "praise phrase" typed in it. They tend to copy and paste it to the files they like. While not really helpful it at least gives a thumbs up to the creator saying their time and efforts are appreciated.

[Angel71090]

I only talk on Nazus for the following reasons. 1: Complement a modders work because it's awesome, 2: Inform of a bug or problem i've encountered and tell them to keep up the good work, ((Because I've got a lot of respect for people who can actually make mods, having no actual modding capability myself or the patience and time to learn.)) Or, rarely, offer ideas of something to add to the mod if I think they might like it ((Example: Changing the Unique BoS Power Armor into an Angry Marine power armor for the FO3 WH40k mod. The creator laughed his ass off seeing the info on the Angry Marines and said he would consider it. I'm glad I at least got a laugh out of him, it made my day. ))

[Guest Donkey]

i know nexus can be pretty bad, but anyone seen youtube comment section lately ?? I have seen some rude comment, but it seem pretty common on youtube to give death sentence now that sick.. Now that is what you get if there is no control at all..

[bleeder4]

I'm a regular Skyrim player with no modding experience but I feel it appropriate for this to be my first post on this forum. I've been using all the Nexus sites to get my mods for years now purely out of necessity (in fact I'm a premium member there) but the amount of vitriol and abuse I see hurled at some modders makes me feel slightly uncomfortable to be supporting that website.

 

The website increasingly seems to be populated by twelve year olds with no respect for the time and effort modders put into their mods and expecting each modder to bend over backwards to make their mod just for that person's individual requirements.

 

It was the banning of 2pac4eva7 a few weeks ago that really put the nail in the coffin for me. I've always used his mods in the previous Bethesda games and when he was essentially pushed out of Nexus for defending his rights as a modder I followed him over here to loverslab so I could continue to download and support his work.

 

I still use Nexus occasionally for the more general, mainstream mods but the community here at loverslab is much different and actually grows, nurtures and treasures talent with each member contributing to the greater whole. For me as a regular joe, it's that community spirit that I value most as the best mods are the ones that develop through a collaborative effort.

[Vitriks]

If you don't like to hear critics so much, just create a special tag or something. (Instead of whining about whiners) You are making mods for yourself, why other opinion should bother you then? As for arguable criticism - it can make it even worse. It will give you intrusive thought, forcing you to deal with it, instead of just don't give a fuck about it.

 

I admit that creators need positive feedback from community, as flowers need sun. But we don't have sunny days 24/7 though the whole year.

Anyway, it's always been true, that only strongest will rice up above the crowd.