Nalim Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 The community seem to be flooded with egos assuming anyone that released a mod is there to entertain them specificly... I've seen so many great modders get comments that is more or less: "I dont like this mod, you shouldn't make mods like this" or: "OMG you're ruining the Elder Scrolls with your mod! ITS NOT REALISTIC IN THE SETTING!!one1!!one1!1!" Why the hell do these people think they have the right to decide how other people play their game or how other people spend their time and energy? I mean costructive criticism is great. Just exclaiming:"You suck because you dont have the same taste as me!" is not. /endrant edit: talking more about the nexus than this forum, seems the nexus is a fucktard magnet
AlivEc0cK Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 Yes, you are right. Nexus sucks in every inch of it. I have learnt it with some years of experience.
Nalim Posted January 9, 2012 Author Posted January 9, 2012 Yes' date=' you are right. Nexus sucks in every inch of it. I have learnt it with some years of experience. [/quote'] some retard filled the comment section of my latest mod with crap about how "Unrealistic" and stupid it was (What the hell did he expect from a Bouncing Boobs mod??). He followed up with explaning how the modders where lazy and stupid for not creating "A good body mod" meaning slender muscular adventurer type women, and that he'd seen the community deteriorate since he signed up in 04. I'm thinking that someone that has been playing these games that long should stfu and learn to mod themselves if everyone but them have such bad taste.
Kodiak Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 Now you understand why so many of us dislike Nexus. You have to understand something, the community is made up of three populations; modders, users and community facilitators. Of those three, the user population is vastly larger then the other two. Then you have to look at how that User segment is made up of. You have the silent majority and then you have the vocal 5% which is made up of everyone you are describing. Its always the same people, esspecially over there. Everyone thinks shit should be there way or its wrong, meanwhile they don't even know how to use the CS let alone blender or nifscope, or even know what those are. Unfortunatly, those are event the worst ones. The worst are those vocals that are modders who think that no matter what you do, they will alwasy do it better and make sure you know about it. The realism thing is just an excuse they use to bitch about something. The mod doesnt fit thier perfect image of what it should be, but they do not have the comprehensive ability to express thier ideas in other other fashion then besides saying that your ideas sucked. User are largly ungratful, incompetent and ignorant of what it takes to pull a working mod off and the effort to see it through to its completion. Trust me, this is a topic I've dealt with elsehwere before. Its always the same story and you are hardly the first to go through it. Best adivce I can offer is to ignore it. Don't even waste the time to respond to those folks. If they don't like it, they don't need to download or use it. Just don't let it prevent you from doing what you like. I've seen that "community" drive out outstanding modders not through administrative banning (which has happened as well) but because of the trolls and half-wits that only know how to destroy confidance instead of build it. I'm sorry for the wall of text, but I hate what this shit happens. For as long as I've been involved with the modding community I've always been protective of the modders within my community and I don't tolerate shit like this. A lot of folks do understand modders do what they do becuase they want too, not becuase they have too. There are lots of people out there who do appriciate the time you sacrifce smashing your face against the desk trying to get details, nodes and bugs worked out. SO yea, you're right... Nexus is a Fucktard magnet. Been like that for years now. treat them for what they really are... the bottom 10% just above places like 4chan. Don't let them get to you, they arent worth the agrivation and in the end, they are nothing more then words on a screen.
Nalim Posted January 9, 2012 Author Posted January 9, 2012 I dont mind the wall of text. Forums are for writing stuff Yeah what triggered my little rant was not the incident i described in the second post it was a comment to another modder in the same lines. Seen that same comment repeated so many times by so many people. After reading 5 seprarate threads on 5 separate mods consecutively seeing that same type of comments in all of them I felt a bit dissapointed in the state of the community/humanity.
Dee383 Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 Nexus Has A Lot Of Keyboard Warriors .... And A Lot Of People Who Probly Still Play Vanilla Oblivion And Skyrim .. Because Any Mod Will Lower The Realism Playing Experience ...
Glugg Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 Just ignore the whiners. It IS a bit disheartening to see so many snarky comments like that from people who most likely have never made/uploaded a competent mod of their own, but unfortunately that's what happens on teh interwebz:
Ryanhabs Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 Lets face it... Nexus is only around because it is the widely accepted hub for mods and leechers. If something better would come along and generate that type of acceptance from the masses it would likely go down hill due to how its run and in my opinion the largest gathered population of the worst people the internet has to offer. That said, there are plenty of good people over there but most of them will tell you the same as I just typed.
Blackbryre Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 I find a lot of vocal internet users remind me of the depiction of the "You Tube" kid as seen here: http://www.fybertech.com/4get/12506464328070.jpg A lot of users will say absolutely anything when they have the illusion of a captive audience. It's disrespectful, childish, and in the end pointless. Just try not to get so angry about it - remind yourself that they're wasting their time talking about how much they hate virtual breasts in a video game that they're likely not good at.
AlivEc0cK Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 Just ignore the whiners. It IS a bit disheartening to see so many snarky comments like that from people who most likely have never made/uploaded a competent mod of their own' date=' but unfortunately that's what happens on teh interwebz: [img']http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/215499488_8pSZr-L-2.jpg[/img] I think normal people just act like a normal person. Fucktards are even more fucktards. Normal people will sometimes act like a facktard, but real fucktards are the ones who fuck things up everywhere and at all times.
Ryanhabs Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 I don't know why but reading that made me think about the "pussies, dicks, and assholes" speech from Team America world police. LOL
Tora Posted January 10, 2012 Posted January 10, 2012 I've dealt with online modding-related communities for over a decade now. I've learned that the majority of people on the internet (and some people I know in reality) tend to assume that everyone must think and feel identically to themselves, and that everything must be the way they want it to be. They assume that anything on the internet must be made specifically for their use only, and that all creators have the utmost responsibility to satiate every one of their personal desires. I've had people demand that I change my releases to their specifications, even telling me to my face that I have a responsibility to do so. They even evoked justifications such as, "you must do it under the General Public License", an excuse that I still see used today. They don't seem to understand that people mod games for themselves or their friends, and then, for whatever reason, decide to share their work with the rest of the world. Modders also tend to release their work for free, and people take this for granted. They seem to believe that because it was free, it must have taken no time or effort to create it. At the same time, they act like they are customers who paid money for a service. On top of all this is the unique asshattery that plagues the Skyrim modding "community", the details of which are accurately described in the opening post of this thread. We're not forcing our mods on them, yet they feel the need to actively seek out and put down anything they don't agree with. Honestly, I think the Skyrim "community" has displayed some of the most disgusting, obnoxious and self-righteous behavior I've ever witnessed, like a horde of religious zealots. I guess I shouldn't expect much when I see so many of these people arguing with all of their soul that Skyrim has the "most powerful, advanced game engine" with the best visuals and most amazing gameplay, EVER. We're talking about a current generation game that doesn't have hair or cloth physics, uses low resolution blocky textures, and for a game world of its size, repeatedly reuses the same tree mesh, the same few textures and a total of around twelve voice actors for thousands of characters. I find it difficult to excuse these issues when Bethesda pulls in millions of dollars with every game they release. What amazes me most is how the game world manages to stay fresh with so few assets. Bethesda is smart in that they know that modders will pick up their slack for them, while they rake in the money for themselves. I'm not referring to the people here, but I think it's obvious that a large portion of the Skyrim fanbase are clearly delusional. I had considered releasing some mods for Skyrim, but it's not particularly in my interest to cater to people like that. I'd much rather focus on people who are worthwhile.
polluxval Posted January 10, 2012 Posted January 10, 2012 i my self criticised the bouncing mod here in loverslab and i understand im a fuckwad. but sometimes its necessary to make that kind of posts (in the correct way of course) so the author can improve his/her work and also becouse u said it. its a community, we all have personal opinions. i know there is a limit in wich a mod could be criticised but just dont take it too personally. if 99% of the people says ur work rocks and 1% says u suck, then ignore the minority.
Firedoom Posted January 10, 2012 Posted January 10, 2012 I think that sometimes we are all fucktards... fuckwads, whatever. And honestly, whenever I act like a total fucktard I think I end up paying for it just as much as anyone else around me does. So for me, not being a total fucktard is much more of a selfish act than an idea about morality. You might think that being an anonymous dick in a forum doesn't have any consequences but I'm not so sure about that. Anger tends to travel in waves across the planet, and with the advent of the internet that sea has the potential to become very turbulet very quickly.
Lyife Posted January 10, 2012 Posted January 10, 2012 Yeah I feel you dude...but for the most part...I pay these people no mind, you shouldn't either, just pitty them. I mostly read forums,download mods, and leave. Bearly ever induldge in the communites. I find that people who post on forums in general are arrogant uptight nerds. To me, most people who come to forums talking shit posting in a forum on regular bassis are here to make up for the lack of importance their opinions hold in the real. Thats all I have to say, sorry if this offends anybody, but not really...
KGRam Posted January 10, 2012 Posted January 10, 2012 Well, the user count just humped over 3 million. Out of 3 million, there is bound to be a pretty high number of assholes, all spewing bullshit, nonsense, and a few coherent lines in between. Hell ... expect it!! It's normal. Some are very young, ignorant, and have no respect for artistic design, knowledge or experience. While others have a very low IQ, or mental defect which can produce any number of reactions to your work. Normal users of mods, pretty much appreciate your work and, and use it or don't, but I agree on this mass being the silent majority. I just wished they would support the developers more, with comments to shoot down the assholes and give more praise to the developers if they use the mod.
Quemon Posted January 10, 2012 Posted January 10, 2012 It sounds weird but the best modders ruin nexus for the begginers. When Millstone has came out, little houses without the options of baking etc, 'were teribble and freakin' boring'. I just check the Nexus for mods, like Bella's etc, but i think Loverslab is a much nicer community. I will share my first mod at this place, just because you guys have more respect, even if my english is worse.
Nalim Posted January 10, 2012 Author Posted January 10, 2012 i my self criticised the bouncing mod here in loverslab and i understand im a fuckwad. but sometimes its necessary to make that kind of posts (in the correct way of course) so the author can improve his/her work and also becouse u said it. its a community' date=' we all have personal opinions. i know there is a limit in wich a mod could be criticised but just dont take it too personally. if 99% of the people says ur work rocks and 1% says u suck, then ignore the minority. [/quote'] Criticism and ashattery are different things. If it's coherent and constructive criticism is good. I apprechiate a comment like: "maybe you should move the shadows at the ribcage down a bit and make the angle steeper as that would be more anatomicly correct and make the model more feminine" A comment like: "The boobs look dumb, you're a pervert" Is less helpfull.
polluxval Posted January 10, 2012 Posted January 10, 2012 i my self criticised the bouncing mod here in loverslab and i understand im a fuckwad. but sometimes its necessary to make that kind of posts (in the correct way of course) so the author can improve his/her work and also becouse u said it. its a community' date=' we all have personal opinions. i know there is a limit in wich a mod could be criticised but just dont take it too personally. if 99% of the people says ur work rocks and 1% says u suck, then ignore the minority. [/quote'] Criticism and ashattery are different things. If it's coherent and constructive criticism is good. I apprechiate a comment like: "maybe you should move the shadows at the ribcage down a bit and make the angle steeper as that would be more anatomicly correct and make the model more feminine" A comment like: "The boobs look dumb, you're a pervert" Is less helpfull. in that i have to agree. yea, i hate when people just post: "ur mod sucks" wow, he just brake his head trying to be very helpfull. ill try to avoid that kind of posts in the future.
Presto Posted January 10, 2012 Posted January 10, 2012 There are times where mods do need to be criticized for various reasons but it should be done in a way that is constructive and not destructive. I know that when you pour hours and days into a mod you take every comment about it very seriously so when someone doesn't take the proper time to describe the faults to you then you shouldn't give them the same clout that you give to someone that can string a few sentences together at the very least. The truth is that every mod is good for one reason or another. Either it is the first mod someone created so they are still honing their ability or maybe seeing someone elses idea will motivate others to create a "better" version of that idea. There are plenty of mods I've come across that weren't for me but I respect the time and effort it took to create them. The problem with the internet though is that it can takes days or weeks to create something for it but only a few seconds to rip it all down with a few words. If these people had to take the same amount of effort to comment on work as it takes someone to make it then you would see a lot more constructive criticism.
Glugg Posted January 10, 2012 Posted January 10, 2012 Normal users of mods' date=' pretty much appreciate your work and, and use it or don't, but I agree on this mass being the silent majority. [b'] I just wished they would support the developers more, with comments to shoot down the assholes and give more praise to the developers if they use the mod.[/b] I tried to shoot down an asshole, as you put it, and basically got shot down myself (see pic). I can understand wanting to avoid comment wars, but at the same time, the fact that my attempt to defend a mod/screenie/uploader was seen as "trolling a troll" makes me reluctant to do any more defending. (I am fairly liberal with praise, however. ) There are times where mods do need to be criticized for various reasons but it should be done in a way that is constructive and not destructive. ^ This, a hundred times over. There is a world of difference between criticism and simple flaming.
GrimReaper Posted January 10, 2012 Posted January 10, 2012 I also think there is a difference between "lol ur mod suckz" and "I won't use the mod myself because it doesn't fit my taste but I can see the effort you put into it. Nice work!".
EvenstarGW Posted January 10, 2012 Posted January 10, 2012 i my self criticised the bouncing mod here in loverslab and i understand im a fuckwad. but sometimes its necessary to make that kind of posts (in the correct way of course) so the author can improve his/her work and also becouse u said it. its a community' date=' we all have personal opinions. i know there is a limit in wich a mod could be criticised but just dont take it too personally. if 99% of the people says ur work rocks and 1% says u suck, then ignore the minority. [/quote'] Heh, if 99% of the people says your works sucks and only 1% says your work rocks, then you still made a lot of people happy with your mod. The rest can go find another or make their own.
DorkDiva Posted January 10, 2012 Posted January 10, 2012 Loverslab is by far superior, tes nastis(nexus) is inferior in so may ways. The community here genuinely cares about the mods and modders. There is a friendly atmosphere here that is not present in any other forum. And I for one feel comfortable here. You are going to find much criticism, but it is mostly constructive here. Yes, there are always going to be some kind of assholes saying stupid things, but that is a given, and it is usually nipped in the bud. I always got many comments on what I made no matter where I had them hosted, some were good, some were silly, some were bad, but I just kept on making things and improving upon what I made last time. Criticism is constructive, it is a motivational tool to give you that boost to out do yourself on your next project. Never take it too personal, you never really know either, it could put a new idea to mind to try out next time or just give you that push and drive to create something really outstanding. Just use the criticism as your own extra boost to push forward. Sorry about the long winded thing here, I am waiting on news about my Aunts surgery and am stuck waiting here, its quiet and boring, and I am antsy.
Glugg Posted January 10, 2012 Posted January 10, 2012 I also think there is a difference between "lol ur mod suckz" and "I won't use the mod myself because it doesn't fit my taste but I can see the effort you put into it. Nice work!". This, too. If more people could do this, I suspect that Nexus would be a far better place.
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