mezzoforte Posted February 27, 2014 Posted February 27, 2014 Turning to the forums and wisdom of those more experienced than me before I resort to a complete re-install back from vanilla. Trying to avoid as I've lost my last functioning updated vanilla/DLC patched backup in an HDD crash. For some reason, whenever I create a nord female, the head is blackened out (see attachments). Things I've noticed and ruled out: It only affects player created/new character female nords, imperial, breton, redguard, etc. are not affected. Existing characters look fine, but head turns black once you run "showracemenu". Nord NPC's aren't affected. It's not mesh since I've reinstalled ECE repeatdely, and used femalegead.nif's from other working NPC/Follower mods. It's not a lighting mod, I've turned off all lighting related mods such as CoT, Lanterns, and interior/exterior lighting mods. It happened after I updated PSQ to the latest version and transformed from succubus to nord form.PSQ doesn't seem to be the cause as previous works fine, and when I try disabling the mod doesn't fix the newgame/showracemenu problem. It's not an ENB, I've turned it on/off. It's not texture related (see above; and creating a new esp with correct texture at the last load order doesn't work). Also noticed that moving the camera around, I can make the original face texture appear briefly before it gets blackened out again. I don't get the triangle with "!" although it has the characteristics of a blank no tex mesh when in strong daylight. I've checked TESVEdit and no mods other than ECE change Nord Race, Female Nord Head texture, or the headpart itself. It's not tint masks, I've disabled and temporarily deleted all the tint folders/files. Hoping someone can point me to a solution or potential culprit I might've missed. Right now I'm thinking it's in a particular setting somewhere outside the game, a shader problem, or god forbid a script related problem, or something of the sort. Any help, suggestion, advice would be much appreciated. I'm not looking forward to having to re-DL/Patch the whole thing via steam, and reapplying customized mods (sorting through loose files and folders). Thanks Mod List/Load Order (-lighting/shadow mods) 00 Skyrim.esm 01 Update.esm 02 Dawnguard.esm 03 HearthFires.esm 04 Dragonborn.esm 05 RaceCompatibility.esm [Version 1.60a] 06 hdtHighHeel.esm 07 SexLab.esm [Version 1.39] 08 SexLabAroused.esm 09 SGHairPackBase.esm 0A ZaZAnimationPack.esm 0B Devious Devices - Assets.esm 0C Devious Devices - Integration.esm 0D PSQ PlayerSuccubusQuest.esm 0E _NewHair.esp 0F SGHairPackAIO.esp 10 DSAMG - Miraak Music Fixes.esp 11 Orc&ElfFix4TBBP.esp 12 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp [Version 1.3.2c] 13 USKP Patcher for RaceCompatibility.esp 14 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp [Version 1.2.2] 15 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp [Version 1.1.0] 16 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp [Version 1.0.3] 17 SplashofRain.esp 18 Rooster At Dawn v1.0.esp 19 StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp 1A StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp 1B AMatterOfTime.esp [Version 2.00] 1C Auto Unequip Arrows.esp 1D BirdsHFclean.esp 1E Birdsofskyrim.esp 1F Disease Descriptions.esp 20 DD_Dawnguard Additions.esp 21 DD_Dragonborn Additions.esp 22 ImprovedFish.esp 23 JK Crafting Breakdown.esp 24 LoversComfort.esp 25 LoversHook.esp 26 More_Saddles.esp 27 SexLab Dangerously Nude.esp 28 SexLab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.esp 29 SexLabSquirt.esp 2A SexLabDefeat.esp 2B sextoys-calyps-2.esp 2C skyBirds - Airborne Perching Birds.esp 2D Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp 2E WetandCold.esp 2F ZazResources.esp 30 Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp 31 Dragon Soul Relinquishment.esp 32 SkyUI.esp 33 Ancient Skyforge Armor.esp 34 1nivWICCloaks.esp [Version 2.1b] 35 DandelionArmor.esp 36 FJ_TsunArmor.esp 37 Huntress.esp 38 LadyMask.esp 39 NewVampChainsCuirass.esp 3A skyforgedShields.esp 3B Skyrim_Strap_Ons.esp 3C StrapOnbyaeonv1.1.esp 3D sunnydawnbreaker.esp 3E Tongueswcript.esp 3F WestWindMisfit.esp 40 DeadlyDragons.esp 41 SkyRe_Main.esp 42 SkyRe_Combat.esp 43 SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp 44 SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp 45 SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp 46 SkyRe_StandingStones.esp 47 Bards&Merchants.esp 48 Devious Deviants.esp 49 Inconsequential NPCs.esp 4A Northern Bathhouses.esp 4B Run For Your Lives.esp [Version 1.0] 4C sanguinesDebauchery.esp 4D SDpatch - dawnguard.esp 4E SDpatch - dragonborn.esp 4F [MPX] NPC Gender Race Heights V2.esp 50 zzALittleSexyApparelReplacer_nounderwear.esp 51 LydiaLoopFix.esp 52 xvisionchildren.esp 53 zzLSARAddon.esp 54 3DNPC.esp 55 Custom NPC.esp 56 Serana_Revised.esp 57 dynamic fires.esp 58 Grass_On_Steroids_SFO-SHORT.esp 59 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp 5A HorsesGoneWild.esp [Version 1.3] 5B Mercy.esp 5C NudeYngvildSpirits.esp 5D RV markers.esp 5E Skysan_GlassNTGBow.esp 5F SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp 60 zzEstrus.esp 61 Estrus Chaurus.esp 62 Estrus Chaurus DG.esp 63 RealisticRoomRental.esp 64 RRR_Hearthfire-Patch.esp 65 PrivateNeeds.esp 66 PrivateNeeds-Sexlab.esp 67 NPCPrivateNeeds.esp 68 Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp 69 Candlespell.esp 6A SexLab Enchantress.esp [Version 2.3] 6B DeadlySpellImpacts.esp 6C Path of Shadows.esp 6D kuerteeFightOrFly.esp 6E No Skill Limit.esp 6F ZaZAnimationPack.esp 70 ZaZAnimationPackConfig.esp 71 numenume femalebrows MARO.esp 72 MissAniThrope and chakaru11's C Eyes.esp 73 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp [Version 9] 74 Improved Eyes Skyrim.esp 75 Lively Followers.esp 76 FollowerWander2.esp 77 CerwidenCompanion.esp 78 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp [Version 2.3.3b] 79 EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp 7A CharacterMakingExtender.esp 7B dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Reduced.esp 7C Extended Slider Colors.esp 7D sOverEncumbered.esp 7E getSnowy.esp 7F WATER.esp 80 WATER Plants.esp 81 Blacksmithforge water fix.esp 82 ReProccer.esp 83 Alternate Start - Live A Deviant Life.esp 84 SexLab Sound FX Replacer.esp 85 SexLabArousedAnimations.esp 86 SexLabDangerousNights.esp 87 PSQ Aroused.esp 88 PSQCustom.esp
PsychoMachina Posted February 27, 2014 Posted February 27, 2014 "Also noticed that moving the camera around, I can make the original face texture appear briefly before it gets blackened out again." Looks like an issue with the texture mipmaps. If there are no mipmaps then the game has to constantly render the full detailed texture thus putting a burden on vram. Mipmaps are copies of the full texture, each smaller and less detail than the previous copy. I use Optimizer Textures to both optimize and create mipmaps for a particular texture. Hopefully, this will help.
mezzoforte Posted February 27, 2014 Author Posted February 27, 2014 "Also noticed that moving the camera around, I can make the original face texture appear briefly before it gets blackened out again." Looks like an issue with the texture mipmaps. If there are no mipmaps then the game has to constantly render the full detailed texture thus putting a burden on vram. Mipmaps are copies of the full texture, each smaller and less detail than the previous copy. I use Optimizer Textures to both optimize and create mipmaps for a particular texture. Hopefully, this will help. Not entirely sure, but wouldn't other female Nord NPC's and to an extent the other female races be using the same mipmaps if they're using the same texture file? Other female NPC's aren't affected just the created character, and neither are the other races (female imperial, redguard, and breton newly made characters have normal faces). if it is mipmaps, would you happen to know where i can find or toggle them just to see if it is the culprit? Thanks
mezzoforte Posted February 28, 2014 Author Posted February 28, 2014 check the head nif's and see if vertex color is on in the shader selection Hmm... only vertex color I could find was SLSF Shader and I turned it off and no effect. I don't think the nif is the problem because it only affects "newly made Female Nords". If I go to race and make a female imperial, breton, or redguard they all appear normal. Also all the NPC's look normal, and I assumed they all share the same head nif. Tried removing the Facegeom folder temporarily and it didn't work either. Come the weekend I'll try toggling all the mods one by one and see if I can isolate it. Thanks for all the suggestions so far, this one glitch really got me stumped.
FastestDogInTheDistrict Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 Remember that this problem tends to bake itself in to your autosaves, and thus may not appear to be "fixed" regardless of what you do. Go to your ...\Documents\my games\Skyrim\Saves folder, order by date modified newest to oldest, locate the oldest autosave file in the list, and delete both it and EVERY save above it. Yes really. This will mean the loss of some progress, but it will help remove the bug. Generating mipmaps is easy. After you've junked the saves, reinstall your skin textures. Locate your female textures folder, and one by one open the texture files it contains in GIMP, selecting "Yes" when asked to generate mipmaps. Allow the texture to load, then close it. Rinse & repeat for all the textures in the folder. Then blend with either TexBlend for CBBE or UNP Blender for any UNP derivative. The reason the problem may only seem to appear on Nords is that the "female" texture folder is in fact the Nord default. Other races have their own folders, usually with a different .msn normal map texture in them. I must say it is a long, long time since I had this problem occur in my game. I found it to be more likely to occur when I had overloaded the game & my GPU with far too many badly installed high-res textures. Once I stopped doing that, I found that this and many other texture bugs simply stopped occurring.
ScreamingSquid218 Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 ive had this happen to my redguard. all i did was load another save and then reload again. if it didnt work. i just quit the game and started up again
mezzoforte Posted February 28, 2014 Author Posted February 28, 2014 It wasn't savegame related as it primarily affected female nords when starting a new game. Old existing games/characters had normal faces until you try to use showracemenu. Was about to try redirecting the other races to use nord textures to see what happened. Was lucky that my internet DL history hasn't been cleaned yet, so I did some extra digging and lucked out. Went through all of the latest DL's instead of all the mods and toggled em one by one, and happened upon the culprit. Apparently the latest Estrus mod affected female nords for some reason. I'm guessing some fx/shader/mageffect or something. Turning off estrus fixed the issue. Thanks for the insights on mipmaps, I'll keep that in mind in case something similar turns up.
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