beepbeepboopbeep Posted January 20 Posted January 20 Hello! Recently a person by the name 444monty has managed to release all the FU races entirely disconnected from the garbage main mod. They've also explicitly mentioned they allow SxB compat. Is it feasible to include 'em in SxB, or at the very least Vel'uuish? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3590847369
red3dred Posted January 20 Posted January 20 7 hours ago, beepbeepboopbeep said: Hello! Recently a person by the name 444monty has managed to release all the FU races entirely disconnected from the garbage main mod. They've also explicitly mentioned they allow SxB compat. Is it feasible to include 'em in SxB, or at the very least Vel'uuish? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3590847369 While they did do that, weeeeeelll... Quote (I'm not quoting Silver's savage thrashing of Sayter's facade, holy moly, that was Rated R) Taking that mod that already is made in spite and making a Sexbound support for it would be pissing on a electrified wasp-hive. This one is honestly entirely up to the bravery of those who want the support made. The consequences may befall upon everyone, but alas, i can't condone or condemn it, having seen both sides. 1
beepbeepboopbeep Posted January 20 Author Posted January 20 3 hours ago, red3dred said: While they did do that, weeeeeelll... Taking that mod that already is made in spite and making a Sexbound support for it would be pissing on a electrified wasp-hive. This one is honestly entirely up to the bravery of those who want the support made. The consequences may befall upon everyone, but alas, i can't condone or condemn it, having seen both sides. Genuine question here, but what consequences could there be? It's a Starbound mod of all things, right? Couldn't folks just say that they're not doin' support for the races within the FU mod, and rather this disconnected mod? That and well. Satyr is cringe and I'm of the opinion that respecting him and his work in ways he constantly has shown himself incapable of respecting others and their own respective works is a waste through and through. Is there someplace a bit more direct I could be makin' this request in so more people can see it rather than have it just be some offshoot post? o:
red3dred Posted January 21 Posted January 21 14 hours ago, beepbeepboopbeep said: Genuine question here, but what consequences could there be? It's a Starbound mod of all things, right? Couldn't folks just say that they're not doin' support for the races within the FU mod, and rather this disconnected mod? That and well. Satyr is cringe and I'm of the opinion that respecting him and his work in ways he constantly has shown himself incapable of respecting others and their own respective works is a waste through and through. Is there someplace a bit more direct I could be makin' this request in so more people can see it rather than have it just be some offshoot post? o: You skipped a bunch of such topics in the Starbound section of the website, but the request gets around, and the permission gets added to the permission sheet. I agree with you on the sentiment that Sayter is generally not worth caring about, but they are still the one that owns the GitHub Repo, and the one that has to vet all commits to the mod, and just as likely to be the one to add "incompatibilities" should they feel offended. You know their behaviour and that this is just as likely, given they already tried this in the past when someone made a FU Race Support without asking permission. The goal is not to "protect Sayter" but hopefully guarantee the users that do enjoy FU for whatever reason can still enjoy FU with Sexbound installed, instead of having to pick one over the other. Granted, FU breaks a fair amount of crap already but could always be worse. If you haven't seen the Starbound section of the website, which is not the Club, you can check here; And i've also highlighted your topic within the Discord to check what folks have to say, i personally am torn on the subject, so i've asked users... People do know what you've asked, believe me. 1
rylasasin Posted January 21 Posted January 21 (edited) On 1/20/2026 at 2:33 PM, beepbeepboopbeep said: Genuine question here, but what consequences could there be? It's a Starbound mod of all things, right? Years ago, someone made an FU patch for sexbound (the very old version of sexbound) without permission. FU team raised shit around here, and it's what lead to the 'ask permission' rule in the first place. Their internal response was to make an internal 'anti-patch' for the addon that blanked the art out for their races (just their races. It didn't brick sexbound itself, nor the vanilla ones. That's a common misconception.) On our end, the offending patch was removed. Not sure if the guy was banned or not, but they dropped off the face of the earth immediately after either way. In the current state of things, the patch is for a horribly outdated version of SxB that doesn't even work anymore, and the FU 'anti-patch' only affects a patch that doesn't even exist anymore (nor would even work with the current sxb if it were to be found on the deep web or something), and SxB, for all intents and purposes, works just fine with FU. We'd like to keep it that way. So as far as consequences of any hypothetical FU races patch goes, I'd rather they not get the idea of bricking the entirety of sexbound just someone doesn't understand the meaning of 'leave well enough alone.' On 1/20/2026 at 2:33 PM, beepbeepboopbeep said: Couldn't folks just say that they're not doin' support for the races within the FU mod, and rather this disconnected mod? The issue here is that these races do not belong to 444monty, he's just a middleman, so his 'permission' is essentially meaningless. It's basically like asking someone who rented a car from a car lot if you can modify the car in any way. They can tell you 'yes', but it won't save your butt from reprisal from the rental company. You'd have to ask Shinigami Apples, Sentient Cookie, Opaque, and Moonlit Comet. ... And knowing those guys, you are going to get a polite "absolutely not" at best. But what about the slime addon and others? Very different situation. In this instance, Those races were imported to FU from outside sources. In those instances, the original authors of those races were contacted for permission. In those instances, it's FU that's in the middleman, and their permission supersedes FU team's wishes. In other words, the very reason why the slime race (and a few others) works is precisely why this doesn't. Edited January 27 by rylasasin 1
beepbeepboopbeep Posted January 27 Author Posted January 27 On 1/21/2026 at 12:42 PM, red3dred said: You skipped a bunch of such topics in the Starbound section of the website, but the request gets around, and the permission gets added to the permission sheet. I agree with you on the sentiment that Sayter is generally not worth caring about, but they are still the one that owns the GitHub Repo, and the one that has to vet all commits to the mod, and just as likely to be the one to add "incompatibilities" should they feel offended. You know their behaviour and that this is just as likely, given they already tried this in the past when someone made a FU Race Support without asking permission. The goal is not to "protect Sayter" but hopefully guarantee the users that do enjoy FU for whatever reason can still enjoy FU with Sexbound installed, instead of having to pick one over the other. Granted, FU breaks a fair amount of crap already but could always be worse. If you haven't seen the Starbound section of the website, which is not the Club, you can check here; And i've also highlighted your topic within the Discord to check what folks have to say, i personally am torn on the subject, so i've asked users... People do know what you've asked, believe me. Thanks for shedding more light on this! And pardon me, I am pretty unfamiliar with both this site as a whole and its Starbound section. I'll try and take a look over sooner than later. But besides that, I really do not understand why anyone would let themselves be beholden to the stupid whims of a person like Sayter. FU breaks itself more often than not, and the modding scene for Starbound has progressed to such a point that even disregarding it altogether there's plenty of overhaul and content mods that can work together to give more than enough content to straight up supersede what that mess of a mod adds. Why bother pandering to this veritable moral paragon and his high horse when he can just as easily point any other one thing out and decide that he doesn't like it enough to make a, as you put it, 'incompatibility' between SxB and FU? Personally, I'm of the opinion that everyone's better off just ripping the bandage off and enjoy modding the game howsoever they please. As per Starbound's very nature, you literally cannot be exposed to something you do not want unless you specifically go out of your way to add the mod containing it to your game. If someone doesn't want to be exposed to bumpin' bits, they can easily choose not to.
beepbeepboopbeep Posted January 27 Author Posted January 27 On 1/21/2026 at 12:52 PM, rylasasin said: Years ago, someone made an FU patch for sexbound (the very old version of sexbound) without permission. FU team raised shit around here, and it's what lead to the 'ask permission' rule in the first place. Their internal response was to make an internal 'anti-patch' for the addon that blanked the art out for their races (just their races. It didn't brick sexbound itself, nor the vanilla ones. That's a common misconception.) On our end, the offending patch was removed. Not sure if the guy was banned or not, but they dropped off the face of the earth immediately after either way. In the current state of things, the patch is for a horribly outdated version of SxB that doesn't even work anymore, and the FU 'anti-patch' only affects a patch that doesn't even exist anymore (nor would even work with the current sxb if it were to be found on the deep web or something), and SxB, for all intents and purposes, works just fine with FU. We'd like to keep it that way. So as far as consequences of any hypothetical FU races patch goes, I'd rather they not get the idea of bricking the entirety of sexbound just someone doesn't understand the meaning of 'leave well enough alone.' The issue here is that these races do not belong to 444monty, he's just a middleman, so his 'permission' is essentially meaningless. It's basically like asking someone who rented a car from a car lot if you can modify the car in any way. They can tell you 'yes', but it won't save your butt from reprisal from the rental company. You'd have to ask AbsoluteXeroEX, GonDragon, Shinigami Apples, S00perEPICMsFox, Sentient Cookie, Opaque, and Moonlit Comet. ... And knowing those guys, you are going to get a polite "absolutely not" at best. But what about the slime addon and others? Very different situation. In this instance, Those races were imported to FU from outside sources. In those instances, the original authors of those races were contacted for permission. In those instances, it's FU that's in the middleman, and their permission supersedes FU team's wishes. In other words, the very reason why the slime race (and a few others) works is precisely why this doesn't. I can see where you're coming from, but even so what I'd said to Red still stands in my opinion. Why bother pandering to 'em when they are actively malicious in opposing the mod whenever it does anything that displeases them? Sayter can just as easily blow a gasket and suddenly decide to put in intentionally bad code that crashes the game altogether the moment SxB adds something that he's not fond of. Why bother tiptoeing around what it is he does or doesn't approve of instead of just slapping a 'not compatible with FU' and having folks have their fun? The whole bit about needing permission for completely optional compatibility mods that do not require having the original author go out of their way wouldn't have even been necessary in the first place were it not for him, as you mentioned. The headache about the slime addon and others as you mentioned, along with these matters where you need to deal with middlemen altogether wouldn't be about if, again, the bandaid was ripped and FU was ditched altogether instead of trying to keep 'em from doing the like. #1ModdingNoGo:tm: in adding genuinely malicious code. Your point regarding the salesman analogy while makin' sense doesn't really get your point across, however. By all means you'd be screwed by companies if you were to do that, but we're talking about a Starbound mod here. What're the possible ramifications of that, having the mod not work with another mod that quite literally has a wiki page chock full of incompatibilities? And those are just the known ones that people have bothered to note down, with next to no effort put into trying to make FU actually compatible or easier to work around. No one is getting hurt here in any which way. Also- who's we??? Not trying to be snarky, this is a genuine question. From my understanding just about everyone and their mother, particularly in this club, is of the opinion that FU sucks and isn't remotely worth the effort of trying to work around. Even beyond the whole SxB thing, people just don't like the damned mod. Hell, the guy who made the standalone races didn't even know of SxB before deciding to separate the races from FU. But even still, there's well over a dozen pages of comments where people collectively thank him for his efforts and simultaneously shit on Sayter for being Sayter.
rylasasin Posted January 27 Posted January 27 (edited) 10 hours ago, beepbeepboopbeep said: Why bother tiptoeing around what it is he does or doesn't approve of instead of just slapping a 'not compatible with FU' and having folks have their fun? Because anyone with half a brain cell can see straight through that, and no one is that stupid. No, you can't make a 'FU races standalone only' patch, it doesn't work that way. And anyone with even the barest minimum of modding knowledge knows that. Plus, even if it was, we wouldn't allow it anyway, because it still doesn't address the underlying problem. Which is: 10 hours ago, beepbeepboopbeep said: I can see where you're coming from, but even so what I'd said to Red still stands in my opinion. Why bother pandering to 'em when they are actively malicious in opposing the mod whenever it does anything that displeases them? 10 hours ago, beepbeepboopbeep said: Sayter can just as easily blow a gasket and suddenly decide to put in intentionally bad code that crashes the game altogether the moment SxB adds something that he's not fond of. 10 hours ago, beepbeepboopbeep said: Why bother tiptoeing around what it is he does or doesn't approve of instead of just slapping a 'not compatible with FU' and having folks have their fun? You don't seem to be seeing the forest for the trees here, so let's just repeat this slowly in bigger letters with less text. It. Is. Not. About. Sayter. (... Mostly. Thelusians are his. The others are not.) It. Is. About. The. Race's. Authors. (Moonlit Comet (Xi), Sentientcookie (Veluush), Shinigami Apples (Elduukhar), and Opaque (Pharitu/Juux.)) You don't have their permissions. You don't get to make patches for them. It is as simple as that. No, 444Monty is not a substitute. He is not the author of those races nor is endorsed by them, so his 'permission' is invalid. We 'pander' to them for the same reason we 'pander' to literally anyone else that tells us 'No'. Lyceen, Inklings (which are banned anyway due to the whole 'loricially childlike race' thing,) Nebulac, Angels, Orcana, Pony Pack, Selachii, Vulpine, and Zoroark are also barred from having sexbound patches specifically because those authors told us 'no.' Same goes for any race we haven't been giving an explicit 'yes' for. We don't care what the 'community opinion' is about those authors. That's irrelevant. What matters is that said authors said 'no' and that's the end of it. FU is not special in that regard. 10 hours ago, beepbeepboopbeep said: The headache about the slime addon and others as you mentioned, along with these matters where you need to deal with middlemen altogether wouldn't be about if, again, the bandaid was ripped and FU was ditched altogether instead of trying to keep 'em from doing the like. #1ModdingNoGo:tm: in adding genuinely malicious code. That's not how it works. Even if Sayter were to officially retire tomorrow, leave the internet forever never to return, and FU's team disbanded the day after (Which is seriously unlikely, as Kherae would likely take over, and if not them, then there's about 10-20 different people in the running) that would still NOT give you license to go make a (full) FU patch (which let's just face it: this is exactly what it would be. Your attempts at claiming it'd 'only' be for the standalone (even if that was valid, which, as pointed over and over again, isn't,) is painfully see-through.) You would still need to ask the individual race authors. That. Is. How. The. System. Works. A system that exists for reasons and people other than just FU and/or sayter. Yeah, the short-lived FU patch of old might have been the catalyst for its introduction, but in all honesty it was a system that really should have been there from the beginning. Once again, It's not about sayter. It's about professional courtesy to ALL race mod authors, regardless of 'community opinion'. It's about avoiding unnecessary trouble with people who simply don't want their races touched by sxb, legal or otherwise. Not just sayter, but any race mod author. NO EXCEPTIONS. 10 hours ago, beepbeepboopbeep said: What're the possible ramifications of that, having the mod not work with another mod that quite literally has a wiki page chock full of incompatibilities? And those are just the known ones that people have bothered to note down, with next to no effort put into trying to make FU actually compatible or easier to work around. No one is getting hurt here in any which way. Even beyond the whole SxB thing, people just don't like the damned mod. Hell, the guy who made the standalone races didn't even know of SxB before deciding to separate the races from FU. But even still, there's well over a dozen pages of comments where people collectively thank him for his efforts and simultaneously shit on Sayter for being Sayter. Also- who's we??? Not trying to be snarky, this is a genuine question. From my understanding just about everyone and their mother, particularly in this club, is of the opinion that FU sucks and isn't remotely worth the effort of trying to work around. Even if this was actually true and not simply a case of 'vocal minority' (like it always is in every single community that has similar dramas. What? You didn't think Starbound was the only one with drama problems, did you?) It would be a complete non-sequitur anyway. The fact that Sayter is not well liked, justified or not, is irrelevant. As pointed out Over and over and over and over again, he's not even the main issue. 10 hours ago, beepbeepboopbeep said: Personally, I'm of the opinion that everyone's better off just ripping the bandage off and enjoy modding the game howsoever they please. As per Starbound's very nature, you literally cannot be exposed to something you do not want unless you specifically go out of your way to add the mod containing it to your game. If someone doesn't want to be exposed to bumpin' bits, they can easily choose not to. And I'm of the opinion that certain people need to learn the meaning of 'No' and 'Leave Well Enough Alone.' Like what would you even gain out of all this? If your argument of 'lol no one cares about FU anyway' then you'd be making a patch that no one cares about. Yet that's clearly not the case. The only thing 'ripping the bandaid off' does is cause a lot of unnecessary drama for the sake of satiating the egos of, or dare I say, pandering to, a handful of drama grifters and concern trolls. And we've had quite enough of that in this community already over the last 10 years, we don't need more. Besides, when it comes to the incorporated races, we already have permissions for 5 out of 6 of them, and the 6th is pending. And (on the discord at least) there's already patches for those 5. As it stands, the only races that don't have permissions (besides Skath which is pending) are the fu original races: Eld'uukhar, X'i, Thelusian, Veluu'ish, and Pharitu. And the simple hard truth is that the answer you're likely to get from those authors are likely 'no'. You're welcome to try, but don't come crying to us when tell you 'frack off'. On 1/20/2026 at 4:06 AM, beepbeepboopbeep said: Is it feasible to include 'em in SxB, or at the very least Vel'uuish? If it's not perfectly clear by now, the answer is 'no', but might I recommend you seek out alternatives? Both Felins and Neki. Both of which are self-supported. The latter even has POV support. Failing that, the best advice I can give is to make your own cat race from scratch and either give permission or even better, self-support. Edited January 27 by rylasasin
red3dred Posted January 27 Posted January 27 (edited) Without going into lengthy explanations of derivatives and how bullshit they are (Welcome to the world post-AI, even the sunset is derivative at this point), Rylasasin is on point: It's not about "respecting Sayter", as i've mentioned before, i'm sure even the moderation of LL, who wrote the rule "Respect modders" would agree on that. It's somewhat mostly about respecting the works of others, who, may or may not have contributed willingly to FU, and the users who make use of it. How would it work to get "Valid Permissions" in this case? As with any "sub-mod" we have to ask linearly down, until we reach the person who "Owns" the base mod or content in question. So let's say there's a Familiars Reskin, right? People would have to ask the Familiars Reskin "can we sex your fursuits?" and if they say yes, we then gotta ask the original creator of the Familiars, too "Can we sex the fursuits reskinned, with your permission, as they work off the fursuits?". So, similarly in this case, an analogy is as if you had cooked a meal. A pie, let's say. Then someone else takes your pie, and offers it to someone else. It was your hard work that made that pie, not the second individual, and yet they're passing it off as having the ownership of your pie. Thus, this "FU Races without FU" mod isn't really a valid mod, just a "reaching and taking" kind of deal. Same reason why the stolen Sexbound mods on the Steam Workshop aren't valid for support and even asking the person there for permission would be dumb, it's not theirs. As with Starbound's ease-of-access for modding, anyone can unpack and access other modder's files, as such, those with the minimum know-how can just "take" entire mods and pass them off as something else, and this kind of thing happens often, and even why FU is so prolific at taking other's mods. Same thing is happening here, with less of a "consuming this into my mod" goal and more of a "Rip off the other mod" goal. Your best choice in these scenarios is to "Make your own X, with blackjack and hookers", since modding Starbound is so easy. Making a distinct take on any of those races is easy, and likely already done, as mentioned earlier by Rylasasin-- hell, that's probably WHY they were made, to "have our own Neki/Felin/Neko" and so on. Nothing stops you from making your own, just a slight amount of effort, and you can go as far as adding your own custom content, more or less details, etc. So, to clarify, and final stance on this one, from me; No, it does not count as greenlighting the races for support, best we can do is make our own and avoid pouring gas onto the fire. Let the fire die down instead. But we won't stop people from making stuff in private, so long as it's not distributed through here. Edited January 27 by red3dred 1
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