Sonic Racing: Crossworlds

[Equa_Cetera]

13 hours ago, Catnatic said:

which is why we now have Amy wearing black spats officially and unofficially which is boring and ugly that does not complement her main design at all in the slightest.

 

 

Man I really hate the black spats they look so bad

I remember seeing someone give her these frilly white shorts that look a lot better, and I think that's the way they should go

[TickingTimBomb]

While we're spitballing about Amy's characterization, I'd agree that the IDW comics of late have struck a good balance for her. Sonic's even willing to go on dates with her! That's good progress! It's just that the games' writers were fucking hacks. So it's no wonder that they've turned to the IDW writers to sort things out for the games.

 

And now, a confession: I'm a spats sicko. I used to be upset about the replacement of panties in games, but then I saw fanart showing how spats can be more form-fitting, skin-tight, ripped open..... I was converted. I'm sorry everyone 😔 (lol)

[Cunkles]

Overcorrection is Service Games' middle name, it is our eternal struggle as Sonic fans.

 

I'd be chill with the spats if they were part of an alternate, darker outfit. As is right now they clash horribly and are so obviously just censorship. She might as well have a huge black bar under there.

[Zorai]

41 minutes ago, Cunkles said:

Overcorrection is Service Games' middle name, it is our eternal struggle as Sonic fans.

 

I'd be chill with the spats if they were part of an alternate, darker outfit. As is right now they clash horribly and are so obviously just censorship. She might as well have a huge black bar under there.

 

I have to agree. I'm "okay" with censorship as long as it makes actual sense and works for the character. While I personally hate censorship in any form, if it has to happen, at least make it make sense logically for the character.

[Unkwn37]

13 hours ago, kuromicola said:

The conversation about not wanting amy to be super competent and strong in movie 4 just comes off to me as misogynistic cuz if any character was going to do that itd always be amy. Shes the only character of the main 4 that wields a weapon and since heroes has had somewhat of a hotheaded personality.

You're ignoring the past decade of woke flops if you default to the idea that the opposition to Amy being strong is misogynistic.

No one is against Amy being strong and competent and I'd argue fans of her want that so when she's playable she's fun and not dragged down by her voice lines or such that are changed to specifically counter who she is as a character that we know.
The fear is that it will be done so poorly that it will just result in a Dragon Age Veilguard level of writing for her.

 

Even when I was a young boy in my "girls icky" mentality of that age I still came to appreciate Amy, specifically in the Riders and ZG games as her sass and aggression on the track were very fun and a breath of fresh air than the Adventure DX one imo while still having her love for Sonic in the campaign. Imagine my disappointment when she's getting fucken steamrolled by EVERYONE in Crossworlds' aggressive banter dialogue. Turned the girl into a verbal punching bag.

 

We know who Amy is and what she's about and adding growth moments like Frontiers did is appreciated (results of that are to your interpretation, I thought it was ok/fine), but the removal of her love for Sonic and (god forbid) making her the boss queen of the group that is invincible with some future terrible writing is just one generic buzzcut hairstyle away from creating a skin-walker to pass off as Amy.

[MarMarTheBunbun]

38 minutes ago, Unkwn37 said:

You're ignoring the past decade of woke flops if you default to the idea that the opposition to Amy being strong is misogynistic.

No one is against Amy being strong and competent and I'd argue fans of her want that so when she's playable she's fun and not dragged down by her voice lines or such that are changed to specifically counter who she is as a character that we know.

I feel like this itself is the issue, I think we're too focused on this idea that progressive ideologies are too separate from good writing and for some reason against sexual content. I would consider myself a woke person, but I often times bump heads against my fellow wokesters because the issue is the puritanicals and these guys on woke podcasts and rightwing podcasts that are trying to get us to fight.

 

You can have a good written character that is sexualized because sexualization is not the same as objectification, and what I notice from people like you is that you don't just want a sexualized character but you also want a good character. But the issue is that we also tend to be too focused on sexualizing a character. I am out here fighting against people like you because you are too focused on the sexual part of it, that you forget that some media that is not sexualizing her like IDW is doing good changes and that woke =/= bad.
And I am out here fighting against the wokesters from my side because they are so focused on being progressive and against objectification that they overcorrect and are out here prosecuting people like transgirls that are into a lot of the same kinks that people in forums like these are into because they think those kinks equal right-wing politics.

 

I think we need to stop using buzzwords like Woke and focus more on the fact that Sega is just against romance as a whole in this, I mean look at Tangle and Whisper. They are being pushed as being a couple even in games like Crossworlds releasing them together, but because of stupid Sega mandates, they can't be together either.  There is so much that could be done with these characters that because of Sega's mandates, just cannot be done and it's not something that is about the wokeness because if they were woke, they would allow Lesbians to be Lesbians.

 

[kuromicola]

48 minutes ago, Unkwn37 said:

You're ignoring the past decade of woke flops if you default to the idea that the opposition to Amy being strong is misogynistic.

No one is against Amy being strong and competent and I'd argue fans of her want that so when she's playable she's fun and not dragged down by her voice lines or such that are changed to specifically counter who she is as a character that we know.
The fear is that it will be done so poorly that it will just result in a Dragon Age Veilguard level of writing for her.

 

Even when I was a young boy in my "girls icky" mentality of that age I still came to appreciate Amy, specifically in the Riders and ZG games as her sass and aggression on the track were very fun and a breath of fresh air than the Adventure DX one imo while still having her love for Sonic in the campaign. Imagine my disappointment when she's getting fucken steamrolled by EVERYONE in Crossworlds' aggressive banter dialogue. Turned the girl into a verbal punching bag.

 

We know who Amy is and what she's about and adding growth moments like Frontiers did is appreciated (results of that are to your interpretation, I thought it was ok/fine), but the removal of her love for Sonic and (god forbid) making her the boss queen of the group that is invincible with some future terrible writing is just one generic buzzcut hairstyle away from creating a skin-walker to pass off as Amy.

in honesty i have way more problems with the movies characterization number one of which is how quickly sonic is to protect cops

[Unkwn37]

48 minutes ago, MarMarTheBunbun said:

I feel like this itself is the issue, I think we're too focused on this idea that progressive ideologies are too separate from good writing and for some reason against sexual content. I would consider myself a woke person, but I often times bump heads against my fellow wokesters because the issue is the puritanicals and these guys on woke podcasts and rightwing podcasts that are trying to get us to fight.

 

You can have a good written character that is sexualized because sexualization is not the same as objectification, and what I notice from people like you is that you don't just want a sexualized character but you also want a good character. But the issue is that we also tend to be too focused on sexualizing a character. I am out here fighting against people like you because you are too focused on the sexual part of it, that you forget that some media that is not sexualizing her like IDW is doing good changes and that woke =/= bad.
And I am out here fighting against the wokesters from my side because they are so focused on being progressive and against objectification that they overcorrect and are out here prosecuting people like transgirls that are into a lot of the same kinks that people in forums like these are into because they think those kinks equal right-wing politics.

 

I think we need to stop using buzzwords like Woke and focus more on the fact that Sega is just against romance as a whole in this, I mean look at Tangle and Whisper. They are being pushed as being a couple even in games like Crossworlds releasing them together, but because of stupid Sega mandates, they can't be together either.  There is so much that could be done with these characters that because of Sega's mandates, just cannot be done and it's not something that is about the wokeness because if they were woke, they would allow Lesbians to be Lesbians.

 

I can agree that puritanicals are the problem for your movement. I also argue that your movement is focusing on fictional content which is irrelevant to real life experiences and only intrude on that which is made for escapism and fantasy rather than shaping one as an individual.
I also will put in that your vision of my perspective is skewed on the fact that we are on a porn forum. I will be horney here because its what I'm looking for here. In terms of just wanting a good character: yes. I want well written characters. They don't have to be super sexy, but at least they should be appealing to look at in their own way. Velma from Scooby doo was not designed to be sexy, yet people were attracted to her character for her intellect with clumsyness when she lost her classes, and the horniness came along on the proper side of the fans for older indivuduals or as they got older, just like Amy was not designed to be sexy but we like her anyways and will make horney versions cause we like her design. The woke I refer to in these kinds of discussions are the ones who blatantly tear down a character or misrepresent them for the sake of changing who/what they are rather than building upon them. They try to take an established character instead of creating their own (and the ones who do but fail is because they don't have the experience or talent to make a good/likable character)

[MarMarTheBunbun]

20 minutes ago, Unkwn37 said:

The woke I refer to in these kinds of discussions are the ones who blatantly tear down a character or misrepresent them for the sake of changing who/what they are rather than building upon them. They try to take an established character instead of creating their own (and the ones who do but fail is because they don't have the experience or talent to make a good/likable character)

I agree that the issue is people that take a character and misrepresent them, but I am trying to argue that this is not an issue specifically with the "Woke" but rather the puritanicals and our lack of openness to new interpretations of characters.

But also, I think that just like how the more progressive people need to stop catering to puritanicals to change some designs like Rouge the Bat, which are clearly aimed towards a more mature audience but don't tend to affect children until they start to experience hormones and shit. I argue that asking for sexyness in a character like Amy on the big screen is kinda similar?

The overall issue here is not that the movies will change and reconstruct her character in a way that's more fitting of the movie's vision of the character, but rather the need to have some form of brand synergy that will try and make these characters more familiar in the games and comics to audiences that watched the movies. We can have both interpretations of a character, just like how we have Rusty Rose and Amy Rose because they are two different characters.

 

I don't think the issue here is the creatives that change the characters, but rather company mandates and puritanicals and it's what I am trying to aim the conversation towards. Not because I am trying to misrepresent your point or I don't necessarily don't get it, but rather because I think you're directing your anger towards the wrong people for the wrong reasons. Puritanicals and companies don't tend to care for politics directly, but they care for what will make the most money.

 

A transgirl freak, or a woke creator is more likely to be on your side by confirming that someone like Pomni is okay to sexualize, than a company or a puritanical is.

[Unkwn37]

1 hour ago, MarMarTheBunbun said:

The overall issue here is not that the movies will change and reconstruct her character in a way that's more fitting of the movie's vision of the character, but rather the need to have some form of brand synergy that will try and make these characters more familiar in the games and comics to audiences that watched the movies. We can have both interpretations of a character, just like how we have Rusty Rose and Amy Rose because they are two different characters.

the interpretation is not an issue as long as its written well. Again, the issue for me (personally) is that we've been having beloved franchises hijacked by poor decisions and writing for the past decade. (marvel is the biggest thing to blame in the movie side of entertainment cause it just became the thing to copy).
I just hope its done well and that I can enjoy the movie without having to groan at something obviously shoved in vs being logical to the character themselves.

 

1 hour ago, MarMarTheBunbun said:

A transgirl freak, or a woke creator is more likely to be on your side by confirming that someone like Pomni is okay to sexualize, than a company or a puritanical is.

I agree with this.

Its not as though I hate trans people (I don't agree with them, but I'm not going to go on a twitter spree over it. They can do what they want.)
 

3 hours ago, kuromicola said:

in honesty i have way more problems with the movies characterization number one of which is how quickly sonic is to protect cops

That is not a can of worms, that is 2 cans of Homer' Simpson's Shaken Beer ready to burst so I'm not gonna touch that and agree to disagree with that statement.

Edited July 16 by Unkwn37

[ClosetOfDoom]

5 hours ago, MarMarTheBunbun said:

I feel like this itself is the issue, I think we're too focused on this idea that progressive ideologies are too separate from good writing and for some reason against sexual content. I would consider myself a woke person, but I often times bump heads against my fellow wokesters because the issue is the puritanicals and these guys on woke podcasts and rightwing podcasts that are trying to get us to fight.

 

You can have a good written character that is sexualized because sexualization is not the same as objectification, and what I notice from people like you is that you don't just want a sexualized character but you also want a good character. But the issue is that we also tend to be too focused on sexualizing a character. I am out here fighting against people like you because you are too focused on the sexual part of it, that you forget that some media that is not sexualizing her like IDW is doing good changes and that woke =/= bad.
And I am out here fighting against the wokesters from my side because they are so focused on being progressive and against objectification that they overcorrect and are out here prosecuting people like transgirls that are into a lot of the same kinks that people in forums like these are into because they think those kinks equal right-wing politics.

 

I think we need to stop using buzzwords like Woke and focus more on the fact that Sega is just against romance as a whole in this, I mean look at Tangle and Whisper. They are being pushed as being a couple even in games like Crossworlds releasing them together, but because of stupid Sega mandates, they can't be together either.  There is so much that could be done with these characters that because of Sega's mandates, just cannot be done and it's not something that is about the wokeness because if they were woke, they would allow Lesbians to be Lesbians.

 

Unfortunately, most of the world thinks of sexualization as objectification, so there's not much we can do about that.

[Nyarider]

apparently thinking "not being able to see a cartoon hedgehogs panties or a cartoon bats boobs in official material is not that big a deal" is a hot take here

[kuromicola]

2 hours ago, Nyarider said:

apparently thinking "not being able to see a cartoon hedgehogs panties or a cartoon bats boobs in official material is not that big a deal" is a hot take here

it really isnt but its emblematic of a wider issue

[Nyarider]

to post something slightly more on topic, you know what I just realized would be a good mod over Whisper? Liru, blonde, wolf, ponytail, something inspired by her would be a very good match

[Latbox]

Has anyone tried to port nottanj rouge?

[lightingfist]

I still thinking of the lewd course idea on e-stadium.
Is it possible to mod the holograms of motobug and the buzzbomber?

That be a great place for the gals to go. Since you see them as you race.

Urban park i like to make work somehow but i need to get a good lay of the track to see where stuff could go.

Still love the name of club rouge but needs something extra to make it not conflict with the text mod. If sadly can't use that then...
Maybe Mobian strip-club could work since its the name is from zero gravity but with a little twist.

I feel like a crossworld would work too and might be easier. but we only get one lap of that which sucks.

[Darkzero3802]

I think we are getting political here and thats a dangerous thing. Lets not go there and close the thread down eh.

[lightingfist]

32 minutes ago, Darkzero3802 said:

I think we are getting political here and thats a dangerous thing. Lets not go there and close the thread down eh.

agreed. I was here for the amy stuff. I feel like we all said our peace on it.

I rather talk about how we gonna lewd the cast more and some new ideas on how to improve said lewd things.

Horny technology can overcome anything! At least that what I believe.

[edendowner]

What all's being worked on atm?

[Scrimblo101]

Hear me out, I appreciate the ui mods but its not my thing. Also the other character mods aswell but I'm kinda craving more sonic universe mods with sonic characters.. outside of just sage, cause yknow this is a sonic game but most I see nowadays is miku or sage ._ . But thats just me its really be a nothing burger in terms of mods as of late. Makes me reaaaallly wanna try to get into how to model swap for this game 

[p5rtakamaki2005]

6 hours ago, edendowner said:

What all's being worked on atm?

I believe there are new model swaps being worked on for Tails, Kit from Gamoverse and there have been talks of potential stage mods, although that may just a planning thing at the moment.

 

For me, I'm still trying to work on UI stuff with decals. Won't go into it much since we have a separate thread for that.

[SinsAwakening]

6 hours ago, edendowner said:

What all's being worked on atm?

Slow progress being done on some things I'm working on. Just don't have anything worth sharing rn, just some clipping and texture errors being fixed.

Edited July 17 by SinsAwakening

[lightingfist]

How haven't we had a tailsko mod over actual tails yet, we have her over rouge but i perfer her over at least ai tails.
Plus the voice foe regular tails works oddly good for tailsko too.
If only we could lewd voice lines.Which is possible but above my paygrade to look and hire someone to lewd voices.

[SinsAwakening]

2 hours ago, lightingfist said:

How haven't we had a tailsko mod over actual tails yet, we have her over rouge but i perfer her over at least ai tails.

I’ve said it before, we need a proper femboy/female tails mod

[sheldmaster]

1 minute ago, SinsAwakening said:

I’ve said it before, we need a proper femboy/female tails mod

agreed i need a femboy tails mod. the bunny suit tails mod is a good start but i need more like tails in a school uniform.