So is this it for Starfield?

[TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft]

Looking at the latest SteamDb reviews, it looks like Shattered Space is tanking. I'm still seeing new Nexus mods, but they're mostly weapons and armor skins. Does this mean the end of interest in Starfield  mods? I hope not. Even if the Skyrim LL legends don't contribute to Starfield, I hope it's not the end. I hope that enough geniuses with skills contribute to a LL flavor of Starfield. I'll gripe enough about the problems with Stafield, but I'm still playing it every night that I don't have a power outage. (Don't get me started on that...) Without mods, I would have ditched the game after a month after launch. But with mods, maybe God Howard and Emil Baghdad Bob are crying tears at the thought, but at least it's kept me playing.

[Allnarta]

If you want somehow decent mods/mods that were considered essential for other games (POI's, quests, followers, gameplay rebalances, ships, new features, alternate start, etc.), you have to look into paid "creations". 99% of what comes out for SF now is there (yes, you got it right - actual modding for SF is 99% paywalled now).

[Raven 54]

11 minutes ago, Allnarta said:

If you want somehow decent mods/mods that were considered essential for other games (POI's, quests, followers, gameplay rebalances, ships, new features, alternate start, etc.), you have to look into paid "creations". 99% of what comes out for SF now is there (yes, you got it right - actual modding for SF is 99% paywalled now).

Which puts normal gamers at the disadvantage of Capital, do I buy rent, groceries, fuel for my vehicle, Family & household items, or mods.

Only the wealthy will be able to use these mods or Bethesda is trying to squeeze the last bit of Cash from a Dead on Delivery Game. 

If I choose to pay for a mod, which I have, I want it to be my choice, not a Have to situation. 

Still trying to get my $100.00 dollars out of this Cow, especially difficult when the game sucks this bad!

Edited November 2, 2024 by Raven 54

[Djlegends]

4 hours ago, TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft said:

Looking at the latest SteamDb reviews, it looks like Shattered Space is tanking. I'm still seeing new Nexus mods, but they're mostly weapons and armor skins. Does this mean the end of interest in Starfield  mods? I hope not. Even if the Skyrim LL legends don't contribute to Starfield, I hope it's not the end. I hope that enough geniuses with skills contribute to a LL flavor of Starfield. I'll gripe enough about the problems with Stafield, but I'm still playing it every night that I don't have a power outage. (Don't get me started on that...) Without mods, I would have ditched the game after a month after launch. But with mods, maybe God Howard and Emil Baghdad Bob are crying tears at the thought, but at least it's kept me playing.

there is a guy rewriting Starfield into Dead Space...

[Djlegends]

the creator of said mod has created this https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/18898
and has decided to take on the task for Starfield and he's not going to paywall since he never joined the VC Community

[Raven 54]

4 minutes ago, Djlegends said:

there is a guy rewriting Starfield into Dead Space...

I have read a ton of articles and watched a bunch of vids saying that task is impossible.

Here is one perspective...

Modders Say 'Starfield' Can't Be Fixed...

 

[Miauzi]

Vor einer Stunde sagte Raven 54:

Was normale Spieler gegenüber Capital benachteiligt, wenn ich Miete, Lebensmittel, Treibstoff für mein Fahrzeug, Familien- und Haushaltsgegenstände oder Mods kaufe.

Nur die Reichen können diese Mods nutzen, oder Bethesda versucht, das letzte bisschen Geld aus einem Dead on Delivery-Spiel herauszuholen. 

Wenn ich mich dafür entscheide, für einen Mod zu bezahlen, den ich habe, möchte ich, dass es meine Entscheidung ist und nicht eine Situation, in der ich muss. 

Ich versuche immer noch, meine 100,00 Dollar aus dieser Kuh herauszuholen, was besonders schwierig ist, wenn das Spiel so schlecht ist!

 

For many games - especially in the "multi-player online" area - there is a small but financially very powerful group of customers -> who are called "whales" ... they buy practically everything that is available in the online shop.

 

I have been playing "world of Warship" for years - there are practically 1-2 "new" ships released every month - which you can buy for REAL money.

Here's an example: the "Napoli" (a level 10 cruiser) costs around 110 US$ ... other ships (lower levels) 30-80 US$!

 

Are these ships better - so "pay-to-win"? Not really - it depends mainly on the player's skills ... and on the skill points (abilities) of his captain.

But you can also help the captain with plenty of REAL money - in other words, accelerate his career.

 

And these "whales" keep both the game company and the servers (MMO) running for the most part - the players with PURCHASED "Premium" (which gives, among other things, 50% better rewards after the battle) are clearly in the minority.

And - more and more ships are diluting the game play... older ships (such as battleships without torpedo armament) have significantly lower chances in current battles. Earning a level 10 ship the "regular" way through experience points (aka career from level 1 to 10) takes months!

They must have copied something from "Bugdesta" here... because with so few active players, they ultimately target a very small group of them -> in order to exploit them as much as possible.

 

If you go to another SF game - which is still in development... "future players" have so far "donated" around US$750 million to the development studio... for a game that will probably never actually be delivered... because in my view, this is actually a gigantic fraud.

 

So what do managers of software companies see?

If you have the right "idea" - there are enough "idiots" who can be plucked with a "bucket full of shit" "like a Christmas goose"!

[Raven 54]

3 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

older ships (such as battleships without torpedo armament) have significantly lower chances in current battles.

Which makes the Game more Elitist and robs users of the game they most likely paid for as they can't afford the overpriced mods to essentially keep up with the Rich Bastards.

[Djlegends]

 

36 minutes ago, Raven 54 said:

I have read a ton of articles and watched a bunch of vids saying that task is impossible.

Here is one perspective...

Modders Say 'Starfield' Can't Be Fixed...

 

MF never even bother talking to Kinggath crew nor other people that made huge Mods for prior games but instead cherry pick lmfao

Edited November 2, 2024 by Djlegends

[Djlegends]

I'd rather listen to  modder that knows the engine with the back of his hand and has the mods to proof it than some Youtuber...

[Djlegends]

Plus the video you just linked isn't even up to date with current Starfield.  A lot of the video is about engine issue that has been fixed by Bethesda, or is generally not relevant when it comes to the core issues that Starfield has. The video is generally not important nowadays, and generally jumps on the "hur dur engine bad" train which can easily farm views

Edited November 2, 2024 by Djlegends

[Djlegends]

but even with this the guy still have some good points its just mixed with irreverent points thats not the main issue with Starfield

[Miauzi]

Vor 12 Minuten sagte Djlegends:

Aber selbst damit hat der Typ immer noch ein paar gute Punkte, nur gemischt mit respektlosen Punkten, das ist nicht das Hauptproblem bei Starfield

 

Your view of StarField's problems is not that of other players or mod authors!

Please be careful with these "generalizations" ... You or I are giving our own individual view of these things.

 

And from my point of view, the game is half-finished ... for that I, as a buyer, have to put around 100 euros (or US$) on the table ... although I already know before I buy it that errors in the game are only repaired by mod authors and not by the developers themselves.

Now StarField also has a lot of faulty game content (such as "methane ponds" on planets with a surface temperature of PLUS 606°C) or completely incomplete biomes (such as the 2D oceans).

How important these things are to a player - that may vary from individual to individual ... but the facts as such cannot be disputed or refuted!

 

So what will happen now if the mod authors disappear behind the "Bugdesta" paywall?

Do I now have to PAY EXTRA for the repair of this game??

Or will we now have subscription payment models like in the automobile industry?

 

[Miauzi]

Vor einer Stunde sagte Raven 54:

Das macht das Spiel elitärer und raubt den Benutzern das Spiel, für das sie höchstwahrscheinlich bezahlt haben, da sie sich die überteuerten Mods nicht leisten können, um im Wesentlichen mit den Rich Bastards mitzuhalten.

 

You can earn one of these "silver ships" (in-game currency - which you get when you finish battles) over time... there is a second career tree for the German battleships, where these torpedoes are part of the armament from level 7 onwards.

You will then often have these ships on the playing field in the T9 or T10 battles - but then you either have to play for a few months to get the necessary experience points... or you throw all the "boosters" into the pot to speed things up.

You can then tell in battle whether the player has taken the fast or the slow route... because you have to learn how to deal with these "ships" too!

It's even more extreme with the "shipyard" ships - behind them are the rewards for a game event - which lasts a few months.

Of course you can buy the ship right from the start for a lot of money... just 2 hours after the start of the event I see such "ships" - and the "captains" (in front of the screen) look pretty pale in the game... classic "whale"

[Raven 54]

4 hours ago, Djlegends said:

I'd rather listen to  modder that knows the engine with the back of his hand and has the mods to proof it than some Youtuber...

Just don't hold you're breath, ya might just suffocate waiting for what you want, better yet if it is so easy...do it yourself.

Plus if you actually listened most of who he quoted did not get identified, so you don't know who he talked to or didn't talk to.

Edited November 2, 2024 by Raven 54

[Raven 54]

3 hours ago, Miauzi said:

Do I now have to PAY EXTRA for the repair of this game??

If Bethesda was interested in fixing the game that would have come before the Shattered Space expansion.

[Djlegends]

32 minutes ago, Raven 54 said:

Just don't hold you're breath, ya might just suffocate waiting for what you want, better yet if it is so easy...do it yourself.

Plus if you actually listened most of who he quoted did not get identified, so you don't know who he talked to or didn't talk to.

i'm just looking at the guy that made Fo4 into Metro Exodus so I trust him if he can actually do something with SF

[Djlegends]

I was trying to advertise his work but sheesh

[Djlegends]

4 hours ago, Djlegends said:

but even with this the guy still have some good points its just mixed with irreverent points thats not the main issue with Starfield

also you just ignored this didn't ya...

[Raven 54]

1 hour ago, Djlegends said:

sheesh

You post your opinion while I and others post ours, we post once while you post multiples at once, looks like, I say again "Looks" like you don't accept another opinion other than your own.

I am not looking to argue with anyone. My opinion is as valid as your own.

Edited November 2, 2024 by Raven 54

[Miauzi]

Vor 3 Stunden sagte Raven 54:

Wenn Bethesda daran interessiert wäre, das Spiel zu reparieren, wäre das vor der Shattered Space-Erweiterung erfolgt.

 

That's why they used to have the "free" (and therefore FREE) mod scene ... which they have now "bought" ... so the necessary repair of the game now comes via mods that the player HAS TO PAY FOR

[Djlegends]

1 hour ago, Raven 54 said:

You post your opinion while I and others post ours, we post once while you post multiples at once, looks like, I say again "Looks" like you don't accept another opinion other than your own.

I am not looking to argue with anyone. My opinion is as valid as your own.

ight so can we kill the conversation and leave it at that?

[Allnarta]

On 11/2/2024 at 9:50 AM, Raven 54 said:

Which puts normal gamers at the disadvantage of Capital, do I buy rent, groceries, fuel for my vehicle, Family & household items, or mods.

Only the wealthy will be able to use these mods or Bethesda is trying to squeeze the last bit of Cash from a Dead on Delivery Game. 

If I choose to pay for a mod, which I have, I want it to be my choice, not a Have to situation. 

Still trying to get my $100.00 dollars out of this Cow, especially difficult when the game sucks this bad!

 

For me this situation just puts mods piracy out of moral grey zone. It becomes... Normal. Absolute minority can afford spending thousands of dollars to mod a game decently. Absolute majority will just get all these mods elsewhere. It will just don't work other way.

[Raven 54]

1 hour ago, Allnarta said:

For me this situation just puts mods piracy out of moral grey zone. It becomes... Normal.

While true, in my mind is still sad as someone worked hard to make said mod/mods and I feel like piracy is wrong.

I do see your point in the Pay to play scheme will intensify file sharing or piracy in the future.

I read a report from Bethesda that said they wanted to "Generate Income" through "Micro-Transactions" and they believe this is the future of modding, they also want complete control over those same mods too (my opinion) as they have their own mod site to download from if you can pay.

I extend all my gratitude and thanks to the modders here and at the nexus where I can use free of charge, my life would be really boring without their work!

Edited November 3, 2024 by Raven 54

[Lewdest]

Personally I feel the best way to combat Bethesda's current mindset for monetization and total control of modding which as someone said earlier, is to show them how ineffective it really is.

 

I personally think piracy is okay if it's for the benefit of the consumer and A the game or content being pirated is no longer accessible or B said monetization is predatory, and piracy does not affect current sales of the game itself.

 

Prime example Sims 4, that game is too expensive with all dlc and base game combined to justify buying the game not to mention many core features that are missing from previous titles, I would never recommend anyone buying that game officially from EA.

 

But back on topic. I'm a big star wars fan and honestly when I first saw Starfield my first thought was.

 

"Man, can't wait for all the star wars conversions and sex mods."

 

Which don't get me wrong I have seen alot of great things for star wars mods and new mods keep popping up, but the biggest thing I'm waiting for before jumping back in is proper bodyslide support and the base sex mods.

 

I think if the modders all give up on this game than Bethesda wins, and we honestly can't let that happen otherwise this pipeline will continue with games like Elder scrolls 6, and the next fallout games until all that exists are paid mods directly controlled by Bethesda. They'll see this as a winning strategy and they'll keep up this trend. It's kind of how we got to where we currently are in 2024 in terms of aggressive monetary and micro transactions being in almost every game now. Space Marine 2 showed me that there is still hope though. 

 

I know the game is a mess with how it's been coded and programmed and the constant patches and the latest update has not improves public perception but I did play the game at launch. It has a great core that can be greatly expanded upon. I encourage all mod authors to not give up hope just yet. I know it will take time before we get anything worth while but I think eventually we can get to the point where fallout is now. There's just a learning curve and a lot of obstacles that aren't helped with Bethesda's current mindset, but everything cam be overcome with enough effort. 

 

We just need to collectively come together, maybe try pulling some of those authors out of Bethesda's clutches (easier said than done) and try our best to support each other within the modding scene. I myself am no modder nor do I have the ability to even really attempt to be one but I happily support modders where I can. Because we all know Modders are what keep games like these alive.

 

Honestly I'd love to dive back into the game just waiting for those quintessential must have mods.

Edited November 3, 2024 by Lewdest