Enemies with Benefits (aka The Hate Sex)

[PeterMcPhallus]

Okay, this is driving me utterly bananas, because there should be a way to do this. Some perfect combination of Settings, Protocols, Traits, Moodlets, Relationship Bits, etc., that will let me take two sims that hate each other (-100 Friendship) and are Lovers (+100 Romance) and make them have the sexy time (yes, I used MCCC to get those relationship values, because while moving Friendship and Romance in opposite directions can be done organically, it's haaarr-rd, and I'm laaazz-zy**). I've tried everything I can think of, and I can't even get them to kiss each other, much less screw! The whole RP I'm trying to do with these two sims is off the rails because they refuse to seal the deal.

 

It doesn't help that Lovestruck broke all the built-in Sentiment cheats (ex. ModifyRelationship [SIM1] [SIM2] sentimentTrack_[SentimentTag]). So I can't force add 'Smitten', 'Deeply Connected' or anything else to anyone, I can't even tell if doing that might make this work.

 

Is there a way to make this happen that I haven't tried? Some trick, setting, cheat, or combination thereof? Do I need to request it as a feature in a future version? Honestly, I'm surprised there's no obvious way to do this. I would have imagined the sex interactions would be dependent on Romance level alone, and ignore friendship level entirely. But I know I'm missing something, because even the non-WW, base game 'Physical Intimacy' actions are either not present, or the sim(s) simply refuse to do them ('Passionate Kiss', 'Embrace', etc.).

 

** Maybe cheating with MCCC was my mistake. Next, I'm going to try resetting (deleting) the relationship entirely, and start over from scratch. This time, organically make them Lovers through dialogue, and after that change the the Friendship value to negative, and see what that does. But if that doesn't work, then I'm officially all out of ideas.

[HentaiGnome]

It would be cool to get this to work from a RP/story perspective. But unless WW gets updated to support this, I doubt it'll work. WW is notorious of supporting only consensual sex. (It doesn't even support bestial fetish though I wonder if that has something more to do with Patreon's restrictions, but I digress.) The only thing I can think of that might work (and I say "might" because I haven't tested it yet) is if you enable "Always Accept Sex" option in WW settings, and give both sims the Sexually Alluring traits.

[Simpossible_xx]

 

I'm not sure if it is possible to do with MCCC settings, but you can definitely do it with custom traits and interactions. Maybe @SimsAlchemist or @EllaNoir can help with that. The relationship can still be friendly, so it won’t break the WW scripts. If you need a reasoning for that, they could hate each other so much that it turns into love, which is why they want to have sex. Stubborn, bratty couple, why not lol.

[PeterMcPhallus]

52 minutes ago, HentaiGnome said:

It would be cool to get this to work from a RP/story perspective. But unless WW gets updated to support this, I doubt it'll work. WW is notorious of supporting only consensual sex. (It doesn't even support bestial fetish though I wonder if that has something more to do with Patreon's restrictions, but I digress.) The only thing I can think of that might work (and I say "might" because I haven't tested it yet) is if you enable "Always Accept Sex" option in WW settings, and give both sims the Sexually Alluring traits.

I never said anything about non-consensual. The statement; "I hate your living guts and I hope you die, now come here and fuck me." is perfectly consensual. Sexual desire and emotional affection need not be mutually inclusive. It's simply a psychological sewer where toxic relationships are spawned. I see it in real life all the time; "I can't stand being around them, but they are just soooo amazing in bed."

 

The "Always Accept Sex" setting doesn't work because you can't get them to offer it or ask for it.

 

37 minutes ago, Simpossible_xx said:

 

I'm not sure if it is possible to do with MCCC settings, but you can definitely do it with custom traits and interactions. Maybe @SimsAlchemist or @EllaNoir can help with that. The relationship can still be friendly, so it won’t break the WW scripts. If you need a reasoning for that, they could hate each other so much that it turns into love, which is why they want to have sex. Stubborn, bratty couple, why not lol.

 

"Enemies with Benefits" is a Relationship Sentiment Bit put there by Maxis, not some CC Mod. But it doesn't mean anything or do anything, or have any effect because you can't get to any of the "Benefits" options because of the "Enemies" state.  It's like, why is this even here?

[MrGrey]

You could do it with a WW protocol with the setting always accept sex. I had two sims who had opposite personalities and they would always argue, but one had to accept sex.

e.g. all females are in a protocol where they have to accept sex with those outside the group (that being males). You can put rules on it like has to be home, or has to be on a tiny lot (doesnt work, has a bug) or has to be at a certain location e.g. strip club, etc. Go ahead and have them argue, fight whatever sex is still possible.

OR, make a protocol of two sims and they have to accept sex within the protocol. You can still make them fight.

Protocols are a great tool. I think they should have more options tho.

[PeterMcPhallus]

On 8/24/2024 at 4:41 PM, MrGrey said:

You could do it with a WW protocol with the setting always accept sex.

 

Yeah, thanks. I tried a few different Protocols. Unfortunately the "Always Accept Sex" setting doesn't work because you can't get them to offer it or ask for it. Once your relationship goes sufficiently into the red, all those 'Flirtation' and 'Physical Intimacy' options (including the Wicked ones) either go away entirely, or if you try one of the ones that are still there, then you get a 'talk to the hand' type of response. I've tried every possible pathway through the pie menu hierarchy, and 'Sex' or 'Make a Move' simply isn't there. If I select an object, like a couch, bed, or the floor, the other sim either doesn't show up as a selectable participant, or it comes back saying 'there's no one nearby willing to have sex' (not an exact quote).

 

One thing I have noticed, is that if you use the testing cheats or MCCC to force a relationship, there are certain 'Relationship Bits' that don't get added. There are sentiments and other hidden things you pick up along the way only if you do it organically. I suspect one of those bits may be the missing key, I'm just too lazy to test all that. It's also possible that I suckered myself into a Bigfoot hunt because I stumbled across a hidden Sentiment bit in the game that has no actual function.

[Fragnarok]

Do you have both the Always Accept Sex Cheat "Fully Check"? I just tried in my game and I was able to have Enemies with Benefits (both natural and via MCCC) have "Sex...", "Invite In" (during masturbation) and "Ask to Join" (during masturbation). "Make a Move", did not work, though. The Enemy showed up in selectable "All", "Romance", and in some cases "Household" and "Club", when applicable. This applied to both Played Sims and NPCs invited over via the phone, though I didn't try Roommates, Vendors, or Service Sims.

 

One thing, I don't own Lovestruck, For Rent, or anything after Growing Together. Not sure if those specific expansions messed up WW.

[PeterMcPhallus]

On 9/5/2024 at 1:52 AM, Fragnarok said:

Do you have both the Always Accept Sex Cheat "Fully Check"?

I'll try again, maybe I missed something.

 

One thing I did find odd about WW Protocol creation, is that if you select only a single rule it will not allow you to save the protocol.  It says "you must select at least one rule" (paraphrased).  Apparently, you actually need to have two rules highlighted to get it to save.  The workaround was just picking something that was already set in the master settings (Disallow Sex Jealousy, or some such) for the second one, just so it would save the protocol.

 

On 9/5/2024 at 1:52 AM, Fragnarok said:

One thing, I don't own Lovestruck, For Rent, or anything after Growing Together. Not sure if those specific expansions messed up WW.

I don't own anything at all.  I am running strictly Base Game.  Could that be the problem, you think?  No packs, no expansions, nothing.   "NCC-1701. No bloody 'A', 'B', 'C', or 'D'." --Montgomery Scott

 

On 8/15/2024 at 3:31 PM, PeterMcPhallus said:

...that Lovestruck broke all the built-in Sentiment cheats (ex. ModifyRelationship [SIM1] [SIM2] sentimentTrack_[SentimentTag]). So I can't...

I did find a way around this particular problem. There's a mod called Easy Sentiment Cheats by lazarusinashes that applies base game sentiments via a pie menu option. It's a bit clunky to use because it only sets the sentiments unidirectionally on the active sim, but it does work.