Obscure crash "Book clutter"

[MEyahMegusta]

As of lately I've been getting a crash that I can not diagnose properly at all.

I posted under crash logger and received advice to look at a reddit thread which gave another set of advice:
-run mo2 as admin

-might be to do with a mod that is doing scripted levelled list injection

However these pieces of advice have not helped at all. 

I am providing a crash log, mof in the hopes somebody may have a pointer for me. Regarding the crash, the only mod I can truly deduce that MIGHT be relevant is elemental destruction magic redux, but beyond that I am genuinely clueless. XEdit points me to "bookclutter" as the problem but on a glance it doesn't appear to have anything immediately problematic that I can detect.

 

Providing a papyrus log is problematic for me and could take me hours to produce correctly, but I can try to provide this too but I will need at least a day to secure it.

 

EDIT:
All appropriate logs provided

 

Papyrus.0.log crash-2024-08-11-02-29-15.log

loadorder.txt

Edited August 11, 2024 by MEyahMegusta

[Grey Cloud]

On 8/11/2024 at 1:24 AM, MEyahMegusta said:

XEdit points me to "bookclutter" as the problem

How and where does XEdit point to 'bookclutter' and exactly does it say? What is 'bookclutter'.

[MEyahMegusta]

On 8/14/2024 at 11:35 AM, Grey Cloud said:

How and where does XEdit point to 'bookclutter' and exactly does it say? What is 'bookclutter'.

Run my log on "Skyrim crash decoder"
On that site I was given an ID and it points to a "book clutter" asset or something of the sort in Skyrim.ESM
The mods involved in that are apparently as follows:

Skyrim Unofficial Patch
Legacy of The Dragonporn
Skyrim Immersive Creatures
ESO Imports
ESO Imports (legacy of the dragon born patch)

I can investigate it further if you have advice on what information to fetch.

[Grey Cloud]

1 hour ago, MEyahMegusta said:

Run my log on "Skyrim crash decoder"
On that site I was given an ID and it points to a "book clutter" asset or something of the sort in Skyrim.ESM
The mods involved in that are apparently as follows:

Skyrim Unofficial Patch
Legacy of The Dragonporn
Skyrim Immersive Creatures
ESO Imports
ESO Imports (legacy of the dragon born patch)

I can investigate it further if you have advice on what information to fetch.

Post the ID and I'll have a look in XEdit.

 

MO2 will tell you which mod is winning the fight for whatever file 'bookclutter' is.

[MEyahMegusta]

17 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

Post the ID and I'll have a look in XEdit.

 

MO2 will tell you which mod is winning the fight for whatever file 'bookclutter' is.

Form ID is 0x000d9f89 "LItemBookClutter" from Skyrim ESM.
It is then accessed/modified by:
Keep in mind, the apparently blamed FormID is something I am getting information from based off the "Skyrim Crash decoder"

unofficial skyrim special edition patch.esp

LegacyOfTheDragonborn.ESM

Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp

ESOImports.esp

DBM_ESOImports_Patch.esp

Bashed Patch.esp (obviously I'm responsible for this part)
 

(in that order)
On further testing although I can't confirm, totally removing Legacy of the dragonborn seems to resolve the problem.
 

Edited August 23, 2024 by MEyahMegusta

[Grey Cloud]

LItemBookClutter is a list of books from which one will be picked.

 

Here is mine.

If you look at the bottom there are three entries from OBIS. You may have similar entries from LotD, SIC, ESO and DBM.

I'd probably delete the entries if they were just flavour texts like the OBIS entries.

 

You could try the compatibility thread to see if there are any known issues with those mods.

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/94228-se-compatibility-tracking-apr-23/

 

When do these crashes happen?

 

[Qviddhartha]

Looking at your crash log's stack, I am reminded that a few weeks back I encountered a strange bug.  In the end, I found that the crash occurred while trying to instantiate a levelled item, which indirectly contained itself.  The infinite recursion lead to a stack overflow CTD, obviously.

 

The recursion happened in my own code, so I was able to guard against it (by explicitly building a list of traversed levelled items).

[MEyahMegusta]

21 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

LItemBookClutter is a list of books from which one will be picked.

 

Here is mine.

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

 

 

 

If you look at the bottom there are three entries from OBIS. You may have similar entries from LotD, SIC, ESO and DBM.

I'd probably delete the entries if they were just flavour texts like the OBIS entries.

 

You could try the compatibility thread to see if there are any known issues with those mods.

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/94228-se-compatibility-tracking-apr-23/

 

When do these crashes happen?

 

 

Prime problem is I'm not generally speaking fully familiar with the contents of each mods, I'm pretty certain I've set them up fine just that I don't know each specific book and what would be fine to delete, however I am honest I think a good majority that are in my mods are just flavor texts rather than anything particurly substantial.

I'll attempt a look at the compatibility thread however!. 

 

As for when the crashes happen, that is something I can't quite be so specific on or specify as its been tough for me. If I had to describe it I'd be honest it can be incredibly inconsistant. However, it happens in the Alternate start prison cell but not constantly, just random. The danger would usually be when loading in a new zone via door etc. Essentially no location is to blame in particular, my biggest guess and guidance would be that it seems this bug triggers in places with books most frequently perhaps. Not that I have a chance to check the books in the locations, just that I specifically know a good number of books are present in them like the abandoned prison for example which seems like a fairly solid place to try recreating the crash for me usually via new game.

 

17 hours ago, pfB6cs said:

Looking at your crash log's stack, I am reminded that a few weeks back I encountered a strange bug.  In the end, I found that the crash occurred while trying to instantiate a levelled item, which indirectly contained itself.  The infinite recursion lead to a stack overflow CTD, obviously.

 

The recursion happened in my own code, so I was able to guard against it (by explicitly building a list of traversed levelled items).

 

Sadly I wouldn't even know where to begin directly fixing the problem. The biggest point I have is disabling Legacy of the Dragonborn entirely seems to stop the crash from happening, I have tried disabling all the esp's that engage with this crash seemingly and Legacy of The dragonborn itself seems to be the culprit from what I have tested. ESO imports patch of LOTD seems fine or as fine as can be as when I disable it the crash still occurs. The only time I haven't been able to confirm the crash is each time I have completely removed LOTD. I have contacted the team, but they essentially told me LL mods arent supported and to talk via discord which is fairly problematic for me as registration never sends me a confirmation email.

[Grey Cloud]

I've never used LotD as I'm wary of large mods which touch so many different aspects of the game, plus I've seen people having problems with the mod over the years. Compatibility with other mods is always a possibility.

 

I would try the compatibility thread I mentioned and maybe this one too:

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/118460-skyrim-se-for-beginners-v-319-3bbb-hdt-smp-hph/

(or its sister thread - there is another for the newer versions of AE. )

 

If you don't get any joy there then you will have to make a decision about LotD.

[woodsman30]

18 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

I've never used LotD

I have tried it in Legendary had a lot of bugs the mod made to many changes and duplicates of items that can be a real shit show. Big mods can cause some real issues maybe not in the beginning but small changes add up real fast.  

[Grey Cloud]

3 hours ago, woodsman30 said:

I have tried it in Legendary had a lot of bugs the mod made to many changes and duplicates of items that can be a real shit show. Big mods can cause some real issues maybe not in the beginning but small changes add up real fast.  

Thanks. That's pretty much my understanding of it. It's probably a great mod if you only run that mod - the problems start when you try to make it play nice with the other 199 mods you have. 🤐 

[MEyahMegusta]

Judging by what information I can find and read, I believe my best bet is to remove LOTD. Which is a shame because I love what little I've tried of it but truthfully I am already running a bulky load order so I suppose I shouldn't complain too much. I cant strictly speaking find anything anywhere regarding this problem and LOTD team seems slightly unhelpful so I'll probably just resign from using their mod or at least trying to have them analyse it