[Solved] A few issues with Joy of Perspective

[Nathriel]

I am having a few issues with the mod Joy of Perspective. I have tried looking around on the JoP support thread on nexus, this forum and other places, but no luck in finding a solution.

 

Here is my loadorder:

00  Skyrim.esm
01  Update.esm
02  Dawnguard.esm
03  Dragonborn.esm
04  ApachiiHair.esm
05  RaceCompatibility.esm  [Version 1.60a]
06  actorEvents.esm
07  ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
08  Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
09  SexLab.esm  [Version 1.24]
0A  SexLabAroused.esm
0B  HentaiPregnancy.esm
0C  SkyMoMod.esm
0D  SPIKE.esm
0E  ZaZAnimationPack.esm
0F  Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.0a]
10  Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.0]
11  Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.0]
12  SMPC.esp
13  USKP Patcher for RaceCompatibility.esp
14  VLCollisionFix.esp
15  Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp  [Version 1.1.4]
16  Better Dynamic Snow.esp
17  PNENB.esp  [Version 1.82]
18  SplashofRain.esp
19  AOS.esp
1A  AOS_DGDB Patch.esp
1B  BrighterTorchesBiggerMagelight.esp
1C  StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp
1D  StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp
1E  StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp
1F  AMatterOfTime.esp  [Version 1.00]
20  Bestiality_NudeBears.esp
21  Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
22  KatixasRefillablePotions.esp
23  knownspells.esp
24  Long lost smelters by Hyralux.esp
25  Oblivious Horses.esp
26  SexLab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.esp
27  SexLabGuild.esp  [Version 666]
28  SexLabMatchMaker.esp  [Version 5]
29  SexLabSquirt.esp
2A  Sextreme-All.esp
2B  SexLabDefeat.esp
2C  Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp  [Version v6.1.3]
2D  Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp  [Version v6.1.3]
2E  Ring of Namira - Killing Spree.esp
2F  Usefulremains.esp
30  Ring of Namira - Killing Spree - UsefulRemains.esp
31  WetandCold.esp
32  WetandCold - Ashes.esp
33  AdventurersAndTravelers.esp
34  Character Creation Overhaul.esp
35  Footprints.esp
36  Footprints - Ash.esp
37  Mark Books as Read.esp  [Version 1.0.2b]
38  RaceMenu.esp
39  RaceMenuPlugin.esp
3A  vAutosaveManager.esp
3B  Fhaarkas Font Mod - SkyUI.esp
3C  SkyUI.esp
3D  iHUD.esp
3E  Customizable Camera.esp
3F  manny_Status.esp
40  Bucklers-Complete.esp
41  chinaDressRavana.esp
42  Cloaks.esp
43  Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
44  1nivWICCloaks.esp  [Version 2.3]
45  1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp  [Version 2.3]
46  DragonbornArmorFix.esp
47  ExtendedVanillaWeapons.esp
48  Futa equippable.esp
49  Immersive Weapons.esp
4A  Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp
4B  Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dawnguard.esp
4C  Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dragonborn.esp
4D  StrapOnbyaeonv1.1.esp
4E  TCOSS.esp
4F  TG.esp
50  DeadlyDragons.esp
51  DeadlyDragonsArmory.esp
52  SkyRe_Main.esp
53  SkyRe_Main_Fix.esp
54  SkyRe_Combat.esp
55  SkyRe_CraftingFix.esp
56  SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp
57  SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp
58  SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp
59  SkyRe_EnemyScaling_Fix.esp
5A  SkyRe_HelmlessPerks.esp
5B  AOS_SkyRe Patch.esp
5C  SkyRe_SIC Crossbowfix.esp  [Version v6.1.2]
5D  BetterDarkBrotherhood.esp
5E  Inconsequential NPCs.esp
5F  OBIS.esp
60  OBISDB.esp
61  Reaper's The Dark Tower.esp
62  Run For Your Lives.esp  [Version 1.2.3]
63  When Vampires Attack.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
64  sanguinesDebauchery.esp
65  SDpatch - dawnguard.esp
66  SDpatch - dragonborn.esp
67  SDpatch - frostfall.esp
68  The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp  [Version 1.2.4]
69  throneroom.esp
6A  AlwaysPickUpBooks.esp
6B  Book Covers Skyrim.esp
6C  Book Covers Dawnguard.esp
6D  Book Covers Dragonborn.esp
6E  AOS_CWO Patch.esp
6F  Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
70  HelmetToggle2.02b.esp
71  KillingTraps.esp
72  Merchants Reply Only With Take A Look.esp
73  No More Arrows in the Knee.esp
74  NoCombatMusic.esp
75  OpenFaceGuardHelmets.esp
76  SameWalkRunSpeedsLite.esp
77  Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
78  HPSoulGemBirth.esp
79  SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
7A  SOS - Dawnguard Armors.esp
7B  SOS - Dragonborn Armors.esp
7C  SexLabNudeCreatures.esp
7D  SkyFalls Plus SkyMills - All DLC.esp
7E  Convenient Horses.esp
7F  dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
80  dD-DG-DB-MonsterMod EBT Patch.esp
81  AOS_EBT Patch.esp
82  SMEssentialPlayer.esp
83  The Joy of Perspective.esp
84  UnreadBooksGlow.esp  [Version 2.1.0]
85  xazPrisonOverhaul.esp
86  zzEstrus.esp
87  EstrusChaurus.esp
88  aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp
89  Unique Region Names - Dragonborn.esp  [Version 1.1]
8A  BFT Ships and Carriages.esp
8B  ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
8C  ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
8D  AOS_COT-DG Patch.esp
8E  ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-4.esp
8F  Unique Region Names - Dragonborn COT Patch.esp
90  DVA - Dynamic Vampire Appearance.esp
91  Vampirelordroyal.esp
92  Better Vampires.esp
93  ESFCompanions.esp  [Version 0.3.2]
94  WerewolfMastery.esp
95  WerewolfPerksExpanded_1.6.esp
96  WerewolfPerksExpanded_1.6b.esp
97  Bound Armory.esp
98  FNISspells.esp
99  SeeYouSleepByMadmole.esp
9A  Vampire Lord Serana Fixed.esp
9B  LockpickingOverhaul4.esp
9C  NoSneakAttackSound.esp
9D  Locational Damage.esp
9E  The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp
9F  ArcheryDummyXP.esp
A0  Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp
A1  dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp
A2  AzarHairPonyTail 03 - Havok.esp
A3  3DNPC.esp
A4  HothFollower.esp
A5  HothFollower UFO Patch.esp
A6  BabetteReplacer.esp
A7  LydiaApachi.esp
A8  BVFE_Serana.esp
A9  Spousetocustomhome.esp
AA  NonEssentialChildren.esp
AB  AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
AC  Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp  [Version 2.3.3b]
AD  CharacterMakingExtender.esp
AE  EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp
AF  Undead Vampires Player Only.esp
B0  Vampire Skin Color Fix.esp
B1  First Person Messages.esp
B2  getSnowy.esp
B3  RealisticWaterTwo.esp
B4  RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp
B5  AOS_RWT Patch.esp
B6  AFT_iNPCFix.esp
B7  BVandRB_Formlist.esp
B8  OBIS-USKP Patch.esp
B9  OBIS-UDBP Patch.esp
BA  OBIS-IW Patch.esp
BB  AOS_WetandCold Patch.esp
BC  Unique Region Names.esp  [Version 5]
BD  Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Texture 2.esp
BE  warburg's 3d paper world map - dawnguard.esp
BF  Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Dragonborn.esp
C0  o3dDeviceBondage.esp
C1  Skyrim_Strap_Ons.esp
C2  SexWithThieves.esp
C3  Predator Vision.esp
C4  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
C5  Pre Automatic Variants IC Patch.esp
C6  PreASISPatchEEOIW.esp
C7  Pre ReProccer IW aMidianSS Patch.esp
C8  ReProccer.esp
C9  ReProccerDragonborn.esp
CA  qotsafans Miscellaneous ReProccer Patch.esp
CB  qotsafans LeveledLists IW Patch.esp
CC  qotsafans Books + Book Covers Skyrim Patch.esp
CD  qotsafans Ingestibles Patch.esp
CE  qotsafans Bucklers-Complete ReProccer Patch.esp

 

Other relevant mods that might nod be on the list: XPMS (v1.92), CBBE BBP, Bodyslide++, Natural Breast Animation, HDT.

 

Note: all of the issues I have are related to being in first person while using JoP. Everything works just fine in third person, even the HDT physics on the breasts.

 

[solved] No sex scenes

One thing I noticed is that when a sex scene starts, the camera stays where it was as if my character was still standing and gets a bit stuck there until the sex scene is over. My assumption is that JoP simply does not provide support for those animations. Even so, I have seen screenshots from others where in a sex scene with the camera as if it was JoP. So is this fixable at all at?

 

[solved] No feet

Something that took me a while to notice, but is really irritating now that I have noticed it is that I am unable to see my feet if I am not an Argonian or Khajiit. It happens with both genders. I have tried using http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/37091/, but that did nothing at all. I noticed the JoP forum on nexus is littered with people having similar issues, but no working solutions. Is there any way to get my feet back?

 

[solved] Pregnant belly

The last issue I have is that I am unable to see a pregnant belly while with JoP, while in third person everything works just fine (in the situation where my character is actually pregnant, of course. Not that I want to walk around with a permanent pregnant belly).

 

To achieve the pregnant belly, I have installed Remodeled Armor for CBBE Bodyslide and BBP http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/25259 followed by Pregnant-Weighted tbbp armor (Bodyslide++) http://www.loverslab.com/topic/20799-pregnant-weighted-tbbp-armor-bodyslide. I then used bodyslide++ to build my body and those modified armors and I was done.

 

In third person, this is working great. No issues whatsoever. But in first person I simply am unable to see a pregnant belly. I always just see my belly in the normal state, although the breasts do grow visibly in first person.

 

I have tried installing various skeletons in the hope that would fix it, but no luck so far. I have tried both the normal and the JoP skeleton provided by XPMS. I have tried the one provided by JoP itself. I have then tried various modified XPMS skeletons I could find on this forum and am currently using the modified XPMS 1.92 skeleton made by Groovtama http://www.loverslab.com/topic/22284-xpms-191-with-sexlab-rough-animations-support-ece-support-for-male-characters-also-on-this-thread/?p=550759.

 

Is there any way I can get this working?

 

 

If there is any further information I could provide, just ask. It could very well be I forgot something here. (I did not provide my papyrus log, because I did not belief my issue could be found in there. If I am wrong in this assumption, I can provide it).

[TheBlueBlazes]

Alrighty, JoP is kind of a tricky thing so let me see if I can help you out.

 

First, there are no first person sex animations as far as I know. What you are seeing is people using a sex animation in third person, then using the tfc command and positioning the camera in a specific way to give the impression that it's in first person. It's all a camera trick.

 

Okay, for the missing feet and belly. I don't use that compatibility patch for one reason:

 

 

The goal of this patch is to fix missing body parts when using the mod, The Joy of Perspective in conjunction with any NON-BPP/TBBP body mod.

 

No BBP/TBBP support just isn't going to fly for probably most of us. That's why it isn't working for you as you stated that you're using CBBE BBP. You can uninstall that "patch" and get rid of it.

 

So here's what you do. First, follow these instructions written by CylonSurfer:

 

 

If you are using a custom race you will likely need to follow 3AMt's instructions:

====================================================================================================================
Yes, with the Ck you should be able to make your race mod compatible.
Backup the .esp or .esm. first.

1. Open up the CK. In the top bar menu click 'file - data'.
Set your race mod .esp as active file and flag all its 'Parent Masters' in the 'Plugin/Master Files' list. Now click Ok.
(If your race is an .esm, flag its masters and the .esm itself. Click Ok.) If any error massage pops up click 'no to all', you can ignore them.

2. Once the CK is loaded, take a look at the 'Object Window'. Find the 'Character Tab' and click on it. Navigate to the tab called 'Race'. Find your race and click on it. A new window will open.

3. Under 'Body Data' you can enable 'Fisrt Person' slots. Keep in mind, head and hairs won't work, circlets look odd. Click Ok when you're done. Save and exit. Here's a screenshot from the argonian race:

http://i.imagebanana...4ald/races1.jpg

(Add bAllowMultipleMasterLoads=1 under [General] in SkyrimEditor.ini in your /Skyrim folder if it gives a multiple masters error)

 

Make sure that the feet option are highlighted under the first person tab in CK. JoP should already be set up for Nords, but I don't know what race you're using so it won't hurt to double check.

 

Now when you go in game, you might not see the feet or belly. If you don't, there's one more step you have to do since you're using Bodyslide++. You see, Bodyslide++ only replaces the third person meshes since the game isn't built for a first person body. That's why we need JoP after all. So this next part you have to do manually. At least, this is what I do to get everything to work properly:

 

First, make the body you want in Bodyslide++. Hold CTRL and click on the Build button. This will place the meshes into the Bodyslide++ directory and not into your Data\meshes. These two files will be named femalebody_0 and femalebody_1. Copy those files (do NOT just drag and drop them) and put them into your Data\meshes\actor\character\character assets folder.

 

Now go back to the femalebody_0 and femalebody_1 files in the Bodyslide++ directory. Rename femalebody_0 to 1stpersonfemalebody_0, and femalebody_1 to 1stpersonfemalebody_1. Take those renamed files and put them into the Data\meshes\actor\character\character assets folder as well. Overwrite everything when asked.

 

What this is doing is taking the third person Bodyslide++ mesh you created and and swapping it in the place of the first person mesh. The third person mesh has the feet and belly, so these should now show up in first person with JoP. You will have to repeat this process every time you make a new body mesh in Bodyslide++. Otherwise your third person mesh will change, but you will see the old mesh in first person.

 

I don't know if there's a better way to do it, but this is just the way I figured out on my own after blundering around in my Skyrim directory trying to get JoP to work. Using the above, I now have the Lunari custom race working perfectly with JoP. Hopefully this will work for ya.

[Nathriel]

Alrighty, JoP is kind of a tricky thing so let me see if I can help you out.

 

First, there are no first person sex animations as far as I know. What you are seeing is people using a sex animation in third person, then using the tfc command and positioning the camera in a specific way to give the impression that it's in first person. It's all a camera trick.

Ah right, I was afraid that might have been the case. Oh well... can't have everything.

 

About the rest, let me just say thank you for the long explanation. It might have been more extensive then was needed, but I'd rather people put too much detail in such explanations then too little.

 

I first tried that copying of the body .nif files and renaming the copies just as you described. Went into the game and still no feet and still no pregnant belly in first person. Sadly, that fixed neither the feet, nor the pregnant belly issue.

 

After that I went into the CK and followed the steps that you quoted and toggled on the first person things just as in his picture. Saved it to a new .esp file. At first I put it right after Joy of Perspective in my load order. That did nothing. Then I put it at the end of my load order, went back into the game and YES! I got my feet back!

 

Thank you! That's one issue fixed and one issue declared unfixable. Now I just need to figure out how to get that pregnant belly working...

[TheBlueBlazes]

Sweet!

 

Usually I do the CK fix first and then do the nif swap, but doesn't matter now since you got it. In truth, I don't use any pregnancy mods so I'm afraid I can't really help out too much there. Was hoping my method might help but doesn't look to be the case. Sorry 'bout that! At least we got you your feet back though.

[Groovtama]

Pregnancy belly and breast and butt scaling or scaling in general in 1st Person is not supported by every mod that uses node scaling. The script that uses node scaling need to be modified to support the scaling in 1st Person when the Joy of perpective is used. If the source files are not public the only one to add support is the author himself if the psc file are public the user can modify the script and recompile it.

 

Here is the basic description by jbezorg

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/20027-outdated-xpms-modified-for-tbbp/page-3

You just need to add a test for the player and then call the scale function with the 1st person flag set to true.

The only Mod that supports this by default is jbezorg's estrus chaurus you can use his scripts as reference. The rest as far as I know don't support this.

 

If you need help you can send me a pm if you have problems.

[Nathriel]

Thanks for the response, Groovtama. I do have quite a bit of experience with programming  (Java, C#, C++ and a lot of web based programming with HTML, CSS, PHP, JQuery), but no experience with modding. So far, at least.

I am rather interested in it though and will see if I can figure it out. If not, I'll send you a PM.

[Nathriel]

With the help of Groovtama, I managed to make the modifications he mentioned and gotten the scalable belly to work in first person. It's a bit complicated, though, so if anyone else wants help with getting the same working, feel free to send me a PM.

 

Either way, all of my issues are solved now!