Nathriel Posted November 27, 2013 Posted November 27, 2013 I am having a few issues with the mod Joy of Perspective. I have tried looking around on the JoP support thread on nexus, this forum and other places, but no luck in finding a solution. Here is my loadorder: 00 Skyrim.esm 01 Update.esm 02 Dawnguard.esm 03 Dragonborn.esm 04 ApachiiHair.esm 05 RaceCompatibility.esm [Version 1.60a] 06 actorEvents.esm 07 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm 08 Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm 09 SexLab.esm [Version 1.24] 0A SexLabAroused.esm 0B HentaiPregnancy.esm 0C SkyMoMod.esm 0D SPIKE.esm 0E ZaZAnimationPack.esm 0F Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0a] 10 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0] 11 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0] 12 SMPC.esp 13 USKP Patcher for RaceCompatibility.esp 14 VLCollisionFix.esp 15 Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp [Version 1.1.4] 16 Better Dynamic Snow.esp 17 PNENB.esp [Version 1.82] 18 SplashofRain.esp 19 AOS.esp 1A AOS_DGDB Patch.esp 1B BrighterTorchesBiggerMagelight.esp 1C StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp 1D StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp 1E StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp 1F AMatterOfTime.esp [Version 1.00] 20 Bestiality_NudeBears.esp 21 Chesko_WearableLantern.esp 22 KatixasRefillablePotions.esp 23 knownspells.esp 24 Long lost smelters by Hyralux.esp 25 Oblivious Horses.esp 26 SexLab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.esp 27 SexLabGuild.esp [Version 666] 28 SexLabMatchMaker.esp [Version 5] 29 SexLabSquirt.esp 2A Sextreme-All.esp 2B SexLabDefeat.esp 2C Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp [Version v6.1.3] 2D Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp [Version v6.1.3] 2E Ring of Namira - Killing Spree.esp 2F Usefulremains.esp 30 Ring of Namira - Killing Spree - UsefulRemains.esp 31 WetandCold.esp 32 WetandCold - Ashes.esp 33 AdventurersAndTravelers.esp 34 Character Creation Overhaul.esp 35 Footprints.esp 36 Footprints - Ash.esp 37 Mark Books as Read.esp [Version 1.0.2b] 38 RaceMenu.esp 39 RaceMenuPlugin.esp 3A vAutosaveManager.esp 3B Fhaarkas Font Mod - SkyUI.esp 3C SkyUI.esp 3D iHUD.esp 3E Customizable Camera.esp 3F manny_Status.esp 40 Bucklers-Complete.esp 41 chinaDressRavana.esp 42 Cloaks.esp 43 Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp 44 1nivWICCloaks.esp [Version 2.3] 45 1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp [Version 2.3] 46 DragonbornArmorFix.esp 47 ExtendedVanillaWeapons.esp 48 Futa equippable.esp 49 Immersive Weapons.esp 4A Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp 4B Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dawnguard.esp 4C Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dragonborn.esp 4D StrapOnbyaeonv1.1.esp 4E TCOSS.esp 4F TG.esp 50 DeadlyDragons.esp 51 DeadlyDragonsArmory.esp 52 SkyRe_Main.esp 53 SkyRe_Main_Fix.esp 54 SkyRe_Combat.esp 55 SkyRe_CraftingFix.esp 56 SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp 57 SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp 58 SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp 59 SkyRe_EnemyScaling_Fix.esp 5A SkyRe_HelmlessPerks.esp 5B AOS_SkyRe Patch.esp 5C SkyRe_SIC Crossbowfix.esp [Version v6.1.2] 5D BetterDarkBrotherhood.esp 5E Inconsequential NPCs.esp 5F OBIS.esp 60 OBISDB.esp 61 Reaper's The Dark Tower.esp 62 Run For Your Lives.esp [Version 1.2.3] 63 When Vampires Attack.esp [Version 1.0.3] 64 sanguinesDebauchery.esp 65 SDpatch - dawnguard.esp 66 SDpatch - dragonborn.esp 67 SDpatch - frostfall.esp 68 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp [Version 1.2.4] 69 throneroom.esp 6A AlwaysPickUpBooks.esp 6B Book Covers Skyrim.esp 6C Book Covers Dawnguard.esp 6D Book Covers Dragonborn.esp 6E AOS_CWO Patch.esp 6F Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp 70 HelmetToggle2.02b.esp 71 KillingTraps.esp 72 Merchants Reply Only With Take A Look.esp 73 No More Arrows in the Knee.esp 74 NoCombatMusic.esp 75 OpenFaceGuardHelmets.esp 76 SameWalkRunSpeedsLite.esp 77 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp 78 HPSoulGemBirth.esp 79 SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp 7A SOS - Dawnguard Armors.esp 7B SOS - Dragonborn Armors.esp 7C SexLabNudeCreatures.esp 7D SkyFalls Plus SkyMills - All DLC.esp 7E Convenient Horses.esp 7F dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp 80 dD-DG-DB-MonsterMod EBT Patch.esp 81 AOS_EBT Patch.esp 82 SMEssentialPlayer.esp 83 The Joy of Perspective.esp 84 UnreadBooksGlow.esp [Version 2.1.0] 85 xazPrisonOverhaul.esp 86 zzEstrus.esp 87 EstrusChaurus.esp 88 aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp 89 Unique Region Names - Dragonborn.esp [Version 1.1] 8A BFT Ships and Carriages.esp 8B ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp 8C ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp 8D AOS_COT-DG Patch.esp 8E ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-4.esp 8F Unique Region Names - Dragonborn COT Patch.esp 90 DVA - Dynamic Vampire Appearance.esp 91 Vampirelordroyal.esp 92 Better Vampires.esp 93 ESFCompanions.esp [Version 0.3.2] 94 WerewolfMastery.esp 95 WerewolfPerksExpanded_1.6.esp 96 WerewolfPerksExpanded_1.6b.esp 97 Bound Armory.esp 98 FNISspells.esp 99 SeeYouSleepByMadmole.esp 9A Vampire Lord Serana Fixed.esp 9B LockpickingOverhaul4.esp 9C NoSneakAttackSound.esp 9D Locational Damage.esp 9E The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp 9F ArcheryDummyXP.esp A0 Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp A1 dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp A2 AzarHairPonyTail 03 - Havok.esp A3 3DNPC.esp A4 HothFollower.esp A5 HothFollower UFO Patch.esp A6 BabetteReplacer.esp A7 LydiaApachi.esp A8 BVFE_Serana.esp A9 Spousetocustomhome.esp AA NonEssentialChildren.esp AB AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp AC Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp [Version 2.3.3b] AD CharacterMakingExtender.esp AE EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp AF Undead Vampires Player Only.esp B0 Vampire Skin Color Fix.esp B1 First Person Messages.esp B2 getSnowy.esp B3 RealisticWaterTwo.esp B4 RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp B5 AOS_RWT Patch.esp B6 AFT_iNPCFix.esp B7 BVandRB_Formlist.esp B8 OBIS-USKP Patch.esp B9 OBIS-UDBP Patch.esp BA OBIS-IW Patch.esp BB AOS_WetandCold Patch.esp BC Unique Region Names.esp [Version 5] BD Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Texture 2.esp BE warburg's 3d paper world map - dawnguard.esp BF Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Dragonborn.esp C0 o3dDeviceBondage.esp C1 Skyrim_Strap_Ons.esp C2 SexWithThieves.esp C3 Predator Vision.esp C4 Bashed Patch, 0.esp C5 Pre Automatic Variants IC Patch.esp C6 PreASISPatchEEOIW.esp C7 Pre ReProccer IW aMidianSS Patch.esp C8 ReProccer.esp C9 ReProccerDragonborn.esp CA qotsafans Miscellaneous ReProccer Patch.esp CB qotsafans LeveledLists IW Patch.esp CC qotsafans Books + Book Covers Skyrim Patch.esp CD qotsafans Ingestibles Patch.esp CE qotsafans Bucklers-Complete ReProccer Patch.esp Other relevant mods that might nod be on the list: XPMS (v1.92), CBBE BBP, Bodyslide++, Natural Breast Animation, HDT. Note: all of the issues I have are related to being in first person while using JoP. Everything works just fine in third person, even the HDT physics on the breasts. [solved] No sex scenes One thing I noticed is that when a sex scene starts, the camera stays where it was as if my character was still standing and gets a bit stuck there until the sex scene is over. My assumption is that JoP simply does not provide support for those animations. Even so, I have seen screenshots from others where in a sex scene with the camera as if it was JoP. So is this fixable at all at? [solved] No feet Something that took me a while to notice, but is really irritating now that I have noticed it is that I am unable to see my feet if I am not an Argonian or Khajiit. It happens with both genders. I have tried using http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/37091/, but that did nothing at all. I noticed the JoP forum on nexus is littered with people having similar issues, but no working solutions. Is there any way to get my feet back? [solved] Pregnant belly The last issue I have is that I am unable to see a pregnant belly while with JoP, while in third person everything works just fine (in the situation where my character is actually pregnant, of course. Not that I want to walk around with a permanent pregnant belly). To achieve the pregnant belly, I have installed Remodeled Armor for CBBE Bodyslide and BBP http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/25259 followed by Pregnant-Weighted tbbp armor (Bodyslide++) http://www.loverslab.com/topic/20799-pregnant-weighted-tbbp-armor-bodyslide. I then used bodyslide++ to build my body and those modified armors and I was done. In third person, this is working great. No issues whatsoever. But in first person I simply am unable to see a pregnant belly. I always just see my belly in the normal state, although the breasts do grow visibly in first person. I have tried installing various skeletons in the hope that would fix it, but no luck so far. I have tried both the normal and the JoP skeleton provided by XPMS. I have tried the one provided by JoP itself. I have then tried various modified XPMS skeletons I could find on this forum and am currently using the modified XPMS 1.92 skeleton made by Groovtama http://www.loverslab.com/topic/22284-xpms-191-with-sexlab-rough-animations-support-ece-support-for-male-characters-also-on-this-thread/?p=550759. Is there any way I can get this working? If there is any further information I could provide, just ask. It could very well be I forgot something here. (I did not provide my papyrus log, because I did not belief my issue could be found in there. If I am wrong in this assumption, I can provide it).
TheBlueBlazes Posted November 28, 2013 Posted November 28, 2013 Alrighty, JoP is kind of a tricky thing so let me see if I can help you out. First, there are no first person sex animations as far as I know. What you are seeing is people using a sex animation in third person, then using the tfc command and positioning the camera in a specific way to give the impression that it's in first person. It's all a camera trick. Okay, for the missing feet and belly. I don't use that compatibility patch for one reason: The goal of this patch is to fix missing body parts when using the mod, The Joy of Perspective in conjunction with any NON-BPP/TBBP body mod. No BBP/TBBP support just isn't going to fly for probably most of us. That's why it isn't working for you as you stated that you're using CBBE BBP. You can uninstall that "patch" and get rid of it. So here's what you do. First, follow these instructions written by CylonSurfer: If you are using a custom race you will likely need to follow 3AMt's instructions:====================================================================================================================Yes, with the Ck you should be able to make your race mod compatible.Backup the .esp or .esm. first.1. Open up the CK. In the top bar menu click 'file - data'.Set your race mod .esp as active file and flag all its 'Parent Masters' in the 'Plugin/Master Files' list. Now click Ok.(If your race is an .esm, flag its masters and the .esm itself. Click Ok.) If any error massage pops up click 'no to all', you can ignore them.2. Once the CK is loaded, take a look at the 'Object Window'. Find the 'Character Tab' and click on it. Navigate to the tab called 'Race'. Find your race and click on it. A new window will open.3. Under 'Body Data' you can enable 'Fisrt Person' slots. Keep in mind, head and hairs won't work, circlets look odd. Click Ok when you're done. Save and exit. Here's a screenshot from the argonian race:http://i.imagebanana...4ald/races1.jpg(Add bAllowMultipleMasterLoads=1 under [General] in SkyrimEditor.ini in your /Skyrim folder if it gives a multiple masters error) Make sure that the feet option are highlighted under the first person tab in CK. JoP should already be set up for Nords, but I don't know what race you're using so it won't hurt to double check. Now when you go in game, you might not see the feet or belly. If you don't, there's one more step you have to do since you're using Bodyslide++. You see, Bodyslide++ only replaces the third person meshes since the game isn't built for a first person body. That's why we need JoP after all. So this next part you have to do manually. At least, this is what I do to get everything to work properly: First, make the body you want in Bodyslide++. Hold CTRL and click on the Build button. This will place the meshes into the Bodyslide++ directory and not into your Data\meshes. These two files will be named femalebody_0 and femalebody_1. Copy those files (do NOT just drag and drop them) and put them into your Data\meshes\actor\character\character assets folder. Now go back to the femalebody_0 and femalebody_1 files in the Bodyslide++ directory. Rename femalebody_0 to 1stpersonfemalebody_0, and femalebody_1 to 1stpersonfemalebody_1. Take those renamed files and put them into the Data\meshes\actor\character\character assets folder as well. Overwrite everything when asked. What this is doing is taking the third person Bodyslide++ mesh you created and and swapping it in the place of the first person mesh. The third person mesh has the feet and belly, so these should now show up in first person with JoP. You will have to repeat this process every time you make a new body mesh in Bodyslide++. Otherwise your third person mesh will change, but you will see the old mesh in first person. I don't know if there's a better way to do it, but this is just the way I figured out on my own after blundering around in my Skyrim directory trying to get JoP to work. Using the above, I now have the Lunari custom race working perfectly with JoP. Hopefully this will work for ya.
Nathriel Posted November 28, 2013 Author Posted November 28, 2013 Alrighty, JoP is kind of a tricky thing so let me see if I can help you out. First, there are no first person sex animations as far as I know. What you are seeing is people using a sex animation in third person, then using the tfc command and positioning the camera in a specific way to give the impression that it's in first person. It's all a camera trick. Ah right, I was afraid that might have been the case. Oh well... can't have everything. About the rest, let me just say thank you for the long explanation. It might have been more extensive then was needed, but I'd rather people put too much detail in such explanations then too little. I first tried that copying of the body .nif files and renaming the copies just as you described. Went into the game and still no feet and still no pregnant belly in first person. Sadly, that fixed neither the feet, nor the pregnant belly issue. After that I went into the CK and followed the steps that you quoted and toggled on the first person things just as in his picture. Saved it to a new .esp file. At first I put it right after Joy of Perspective in my load order. That did nothing. Then I put it at the end of my load order, went back into the game and YES! I got my feet back! Thank you! That's one issue fixed and one issue declared unfixable. Now I just need to figure out how to get that pregnant belly working...
TheBlueBlazes Posted November 28, 2013 Posted November 28, 2013 Sweet! Usually I do the CK fix first and then do the nif swap, but doesn't matter now since you got it. In truth, I don't use any pregnancy mods so I'm afraid I can't really help out too much there. Was hoping my method might help but doesn't look to be the case. Sorry 'bout that! At least we got you your feet back though.
Groovtama Posted November 28, 2013 Posted November 28, 2013 Pregnancy belly and breast and butt scaling or scaling in general in 1st Person is not supported by every mod that uses node scaling. The script that uses node scaling need to be modified to support the scaling in 1st Person when the Joy of perpective is used. If the source files are not public the only one to add support is the author himself if the psc file are public the user can modify the script and recompile it. Here is the basic description by jbezorg http://www.loverslab.com/topic/20027-outdated-xpms-modified-for-tbbp/page-3 You just need to add a test for the player and then call the scale function with the 1st person flag set to true. The only Mod that supports this by default is jbezorg's estrus chaurus you can use his scripts as reference. The rest as far as I know don't support this. If you need help you can send me a pm if you have problems.
Nathriel Posted November 28, 2013 Author Posted November 28, 2013 Thanks for the response, Groovtama. I do have quite a bit of experience with programming (Java, C#, C++ and a lot of web based programming with HTML, CSS, PHP, JQuery), but no experience with modding. So far, at least. I am rather interested in it though and will see if I can figure it out. If not, I'll send you a PM.
Nathriel Posted November 29, 2013 Author Posted November 29, 2013 With the help of Groovtama, I managed to make the modifications he mentioned and gotten the scalable belly to work in first person. It's a bit complicated, though, so if anyone else wants help with getting the same working, feel free to send me a PM. Either way, all of my issues are solved now!
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