Game broken and acting crazy, details inside.

[LordDrakath15226]

So the game is loading up very boken: Headless character, not the right body mod, weird shout like magic coming out head nonstop and mods loading for the first time like it was a new game shortly before a CTD, i know stuff like this happens when you pass the plugin limit but i'm at 248 ESMs+ESPs and 190 ESPs, i was carefully loading the mods little by little and making backups to avoid this thing but it happened again and the backup didn't work, what the fuck do i do?

[Visdagon]

Vortex or MO?

[LordDrakath15226]

19 hours ago, Visdagon said:

Vortex or MO?

 

MO.

[traison]

On 6/11/2024 at 9:01 AM, LordDrakath15226 said:

Headless character

 

Could be anything.

 

On 6/11/2024 at 9:01 AM, LordDrakath15226 said:

not the right body mod

 

...but *A* body mod? Installation error, check file conflicts in MO for the body mod you expected to be there. It'll tell you why its not.

 

On 6/11/2024 at 9:01 AM, LordDrakath15226 said:

weird shout like magic coming out head nonstop

 

You need to keep better track of what mods you install. You should know the likely candidates for this.

 

On 6/11/2024 at 9:01 AM, LordDrakath15226 said:

and mods loading for the first time like it was a new game

 

You are in the LAL dungeon though, seems normal to me.

 

On 6/11/2024 at 9:01 AM, LordDrakath15226 said:

248 ESMs+ESPs and 190 ESPs

 

I assume you mean 190 ESLs, otherwise that's your problem right there.

 

On 6/11/2024 at 9:01 AM, LordDrakath15226 said:

the backup didn't work

 

The backups were incomplete or restored wrong. May want to review your methods. I personally prefer the simplest of backup methods. I've had far too many issues with anything that claims to be "smart". robocopy/xcopy/rsync for filesystem level copying, dd for drive/partition backups. Not all options may be available on Windows.

 

 

So if we assume you left out some bits from your OP, like for instance perhaps this issue also occurs when loading existing saves and not just on starting a new character, then most likely what's going on here is that you hit the stdio limit. There's a mod that extends it.

[Grey Cloud]

This is a new game but presumably you had a working game at some point? So what did you do between finishing the last good game and starting this game?

What does MO say? What does LOOT say?

[LordDrakath15226]

6 hours ago, traison said:

 

Could be anything.

 

 

...but *A* body mod? Installation error, check file conflicts in MO for the body mod you expected to be there. It'll tell you why its not.

 

 

You need to keep better track of what mods you install. You should know the likely candidates for this.

 

 

You are in the LAL dungeon though, seems normal to me.

 

 

I assume you mean 190 ESLs, otherwise that's your problem right there.

 

 

The backups were incomplete or restored wrong. May want to review your methods. I personally prefer the simplest of backup methods. I've had far too many issues with anything that claims to be "smart". robocopy/xcopy/rsync for filesystem level copying, dd for drive/partition backups. Not all options may be available on Windows.

 

 

So if we assume you left out some bits from your OP, like for instance perhaps this issue also occurs when loading existing saves and not just on starting a new character, then most likely what's going on here is that you hit the stdio limit. There's a mod that extends it.

 

No, you don't understand, this is my loaded save, not a new game but once it happens it also happens when starting a new game, i have a lot of mods so i can't just enable all of them at once and play the game so i am enabling them bit by bit on a test character to see if they all work and the game doesn't break like this, that's why the character is still in the dungeon, this problem keeps appearing at random so it's hard to find if it's a mod in particular causing it, it's not cause of the plugin limit cause it's not at the 255 limit and i do use Engine Fixes and my method of backup is making a backup on the load order of the mods i activate and the plugins order.

 

6 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

This is a new game but presumably you had a working game at some point? So what did you do between finishing the last good game and starting this game?

What does MO say? What does LOOT say?

 

That's the thing, i never had a good game ever since i started modding Skyrim, not a full game where i an play more than a few hours before finding some major game breaking error. This thing happened and i had to disable all of my mods and try enabling them little by little to see if i can start a whole game with all enabled, MO doesn't say anything as far as i can tell, no log when it ctd, Loot showed 2 mods that could brake the game irreparably but removing them didn't change anything.

[Visdagon]

Can you attach your modlist.txt?

[LordDrakath15226]

Stupid thing decided to work properly once i started a new game but this isn't the solution i wanted, i want to know what causes this stuff.

 

2 hours ago, Visdagon said:

Can you attach your modlist.txt?

 

modlist.txt

[Visdagon]

CAN (NOT WILL) happen on a save or sometimes on new? Seemingly randomly?

 

I dont know what the fuck would make your toon spawn without a head and then spit magic out of it. Thats like all the sudden your high poly head decided to not load, NOT be replaced by a regular head, and then a mod like Breast magic decided to cast spells and screwed up location and came out your neck instead of your tits.

 

If it Can happen EVENTUALLY on a save, OR sometimes on a new start, I think the engine gets overwhelmed and miss fires things. WHAT miss fires? I have no idea what would cause your symptoms. Something that changes your head? Why would magic come out your neck? Truely wtf. Something like DVA that loads facial skin textures but the textures are for a vanilla head and you have a HP head so it makes it disappear? I dont think it works like that, I think it would just fuck up your face. If its random without manual changes its script lag, engine stalling, and things failing or loading wrong.

 

However, if its not random - "but once it happens it also happens when starting a new game" - This sounds like you changed or moved something in load order or plugin order. My guess would be body/skeleton. You have some stuff not loaded on left pane, like for different profiles, double check if something is loading that shouldnt?

 

Also, unrelated, might be worth checking what you can ESLify. Make some of your small mods esl, your close to your limit anyway.

Possibly related - Dont install the game, mods, or mod organizer in Program Files. Run MO as admin. These 2 things can cause breakdowns in communication between the game and/or MO and utilities. You prob already know this.

Edited June 13, 2024 by Visdagon

[LordDrakath15226]

13 minutes ago, Visdagon said:

CAN (NOT WILL) happen on a save or sometimes on new? Seemingly randomly?

 

I dont know what the fuck would make your toon spawn without a head and then spit magic out of it. Thats like all the sudden your high poly head decided to not load, NOT be replaced by a regular head, and then a mod like Breast magic decided to cast spells and screwed up location and came out your neck instead of your tits.

 

If it Can happen EVENTUALLY on a save, OR sometimes on a new start, I think the engine gets overwhelmed and miss fires things. WHAT miss fires? I have no idea what would cause your symptoms. Something that changes your head? Why would magic come out your neck? Truely wtf. Something like DVA that loads facial skin textures but the textures are for a vanilla head and you have a HP head so it makes it disappear? I dont think it works like that, I think it would just fuck up your face. If its random without manual changes its script lag, engine stalling, and things failing or loading wrong.

 

However, if its not random - "but once it happens it also happens when starting a new game" - This sounds like you changed or moved something in load order or plugin order.

 

Yeah, it's pretty strange and out of the ordinary when it comes to Skyrim errors but unfortunately i'm used to finding errors that apparently no one knows, the thing with the head disappearing is that i'm not using HPH on my character since i use UBE which is a body mod complete with a head which is why when the game brakes like this, my character not only loses the head but also reverts to 3BA, i don't use anything that does breast magic so i think it must be a shout but it actually looks like frost magic coming from the head, it's a whole bunch of errors all at once and while in the past trying to start a new game did not fix the mess, it did this time.

 

22 minutes ago, Visdagon said:

Also, unrelated, might be worth checking what you can ESLify. Make some of your small mods esl, your close to your limit anyway.

Possibly related - Dont install the game, mods, or mod organizer in Program Files. Run MO as admin. These 2 things can cause breakdowns in communication between the game and/or MO and utilities. You prob already know this.

 

This here is very helpful, i have the mod that makes SSEEdit become able to eslify mods that can be but that SSEEdit is also giving me trouble that i'll check the official discord to see if can fix it. 

[Visdagon]

1 hour ago, LordDrakath15226 said:

i use UBE which is a body mod complete with a head which is why when the game brakes like this, my character not only loses the head but also reverts to 3BA,

The problem is why on the fly? What could fuck up or fail mid save without you changing around mods, that would change this on your character? Find what would touch this, find why it breaks. Buuuuut why would it then carry over to a new save? Changes in the MCM, a sexlab mod? Changes in a mod that expect you to have a cbbe/unp body/head, that setting is then saved in the skse and loaded on a new save? 

[Grey Cloud]

6 hours ago, LordDrakath15226 said:

i have a lot of mods so i can't just enable all of them at once and play the game so i am enabling them bit by bit on a test character to see if they all work and the game doesn't break like this

Looking at your mod list I would think that it is not the actual number but the dog's breakfast of mods in there.

You have:

Multiple version of the same mod

Multiple mods doing the same thing

You have UNP, CBBE, UNPB and possibly others

You have CBCP and SMP

SOS and TNG

FNIS and Pandorable

Then there are the several zillion armour, clothing and weapon mods

 

There is much more that could be said

 

6 hours ago, LordDrakath15226 said:

That's the thing, i never had a good game ever since i started modding Skyrim, not a full game where i an play more than a few hours before finding some major game breaking error.

Does that not suggest that you are doing something fundamentally wrong and that you need to reassess what you think you know?

 

For SE
https://www.loverslab.com/topic/136543-mod-organizer-2-other-tools-from-zero-to-hey-sexlab-is-working/

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/118460-skyrim-se-for-beginners-v-319-3bbb-hdt-smp-hph/

 

Edited June 13, 2024 by Grey Cloud

[Visdagon]

1 hour ago, Grey Cloud said:

Looking at your mod list I would think that it is not the actual number but the dog's breakfast of mods in there.

You have:

Multiple version of the same mod

Multiple mods doing the same thing

You have UNP, CBBE, UNPB and possibly others

You have CBCP and SMP

SOS and TNG

FNIS and Pandorable

Then there are the several zillion armour, clothing and weapon mods

 

There is much more that could be said

 

Does that not suggest that you are doing something fundamentally wrong and that you need to reassess what you think you know?

 

For SE
https://www.loverslab.com/topic/136543-mod-organizer-2-other-tools-from-zero-to-hey-sexlab-is-working/

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/118460-skyrim-se-for-beginners-v-319-3bbb-hdt-smp-hph/

 

The + and - indicate if they are active. You have to look at the left edge to check, which makes it a pain in the ass to access

[Grey Cloud]

14 minutes ago, Visdagon said:

The + and - indicate if they are active.

I know.

[LordDrakath15226]

1 hour ago, Grey Cloud said:

Looking at your mod list I would think that it is not the actual number but the dog's breakfast of mods in there.

You have:

Multiple version of the same mod

Multiple mods doing the same thing

You have UNP, CBBE, UNPB and possibly others

You have CBCP and SMP

SOS and TNG

FNIS and Pandorable

Then there are the several zillion armour, clothing and weapon mods

 

There is much more that could be said

 

Does that not suggest that you are doing something fundamentally wrong and that you need to reassess what you think you know?

 

For SE
https://www.loverslab.com/topic/136543-mod-organizer-2-other-tools-from-zero-to-hey-sexlab-is-working/

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/118460-skyrim-se-for-beginners-v-319-3bbb-hdt-smp-hph/

 

 

I know, i would not have them if other mods didn't require them.

[Grey Cloud]

5 minutes ago, LordDrakath15226 said:

 

I know, i would not have them if other mods didn't require them.

Absolute bollocks. Pure user error and bad modding practise. Even if you believe your statement to be true it is further evidence of your lack of knowledge regarding modding.

Edited June 13, 2024 by Grey Cloud

[LordDrakath15226]

1 minute ago, Grey Cloud said:

Absolute bollocks. Pure user error and bad modding practise. Even if you believe your statement to be true it is further evidence of your lack of knowledge regarding modding.

 

So when downloading a mod, i should ignore the requirements?

[Visdagon]

Yeah took a while to go through that. Dont know whats causing your prob, dont think your installation would cause that, but since Ive never done an install like this or seen that glitch who the fuck knows. Your install has issues. Clean it up.

 

Pick your favorite body, pick a skin that goes with it, ditch the rest. You can leave the ones meant only for followers like BJIN (I manually overwrite mine so everyone has the same skin). Or you can get the body variance mod, I dont recommend you do that. Its not a beginner setup. It looks like you could stand to introduce a lil more simplicity into your install. And you definitely need to check if your mods can coexist. Some mods for SOS can be slapped on to TNG without issue, others cant. You need to make some cuts, check compatibility. Like JK. You have the AIO AND all the singles it looks like. Plus other town overhauls. Its confusing, while you dont seem new, some of this is first time fuckups. 

[LordDrakath15226]

6 minutes ago, Visdagon said:

Yeah took a while to go through that. Dont know whats causing your prob, dont think your installation would cause that, but since Ive never done an install like this or seen that glitch who the fuck knows. Your install has issues. Clean it up.

 

Pick your favorite body, pick a skin that goes with it, ditch the rest. You can leave the ones meant only for followers like BJIN (I manually overwrite mine so everyone has the same skin). Or you can get the body variance mod, I dont recommend you do that. Its not a beginner setup. It looks like you could stand to introduce a lil more simplicity into your install. And you definitely need to check if your mods can coexist. Some mods for SOS can be slapped on to TNG without issue, others cant. You need to make some cuts, check compatibility. Like JK. You have the AIO AND all the singles it looks like. Plus other town overhauls. Its confusing, while you dont seem new, some of this is first time fuckups. 

 

I think the problem is caused by plugin limit even though i'm not passing the limit cause i managed to find some old reddit thread about the same problem and that was it so i have to work on that. I use UBE which is player only so i need 3BA for everyone else, TNG i'm trying to see if i can have for the men only but if they can't coexist, i'll pick one and yeah, i do need to go trough the city mods and do some clean up.

[Grey Cloud]

18 hours ago, LordDrakath15226 said:

 

So when downloading a mod, i should ignore the requirements?

No, you should read the requirements and make a decision as to whether the mod is suitable for your game - i.e. if the mods requires UNP and you are using CBBE then you do not use it or you dump CBBE and go for UNP.