Constant crashing, and I'm getting sick of it.

*rylasasin* · November 21, 2013

I've tried to come back to skyrim from fallout new vegas, but I keep running into the same problem. I keep crashing after only a few minutes of play.

Always hard CTD. No messageboxes.

I've tried cutting down mods and that doesn't work. I've tried ENB Boost but that doesn't work. I've tried optimising textures with Ordenador but that doesn't stop it.

Here's my current load list

Active Mod Files:

00 Skyrim.esm

01 Update.esm

02 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0a]

03 Dawnguard.esm

04 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0]

05 HearthFires.esm

06 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp [Version 1.1.2]

07 Dragonborn.esm

08 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0]

09 Falskaar.esm

0A ApachiiHair.esm

0B RaceCompatibility.esm

0C LevelersTower.esm

0D Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm

0E SexLab.esm [Version 1.24]

0F SexLabAroused.esm

10 SPIKE.esm

11 RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp

12 AOS.esp

13 FantasySoundtrackProject.esp

14 Cutting Room Floor.esp [Version 1.0]

15 StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp

16 StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp

17 StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp

18 Dwemer Certified.esp [Version 1.22]

19 GiveGiftstoNPCs-voiced.esp

1A Immersive Patrols Merged.esp

1B immersivesnowice.esp

1C MF_RadiantProstitution.esp

1D WetandCold.esp

1E Character Creation Overhaul.esp

1F kuerteeAutoSaveAndTime.esp

20 RaceMenu.esp

21 SkyUI.esp

22 Crossbows_Basic_Collection_EN_LL.esp

23 hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

24 Immersive Weapons.esp

25 Magicka Sabers.esp

26 stormcloakrobes.esp

27 IA6npc01.esp

28 Requiem.esp

29 Dwemer Certified Requiem Patch Essential.esp

2A AOS_Requiem Patch.esp

2B Skyrim Winter Overhaul.esp

2C DeadlyDragons.esp

2D ERSO 09.2 - Radiance.esp

++ ERSO 13 - MD - ABLP 50 Hardcore.esp

++ ERSO 26 - Realistic Fall Damages.esp

2E AdalMatar.esp

2F Aethernautics.esp

30 Bards&Merchants.esp

31 Destroy the Thieves Guild.esp

32 DragonmournInn.esp

33 Run For Your Lives.esp [Version 1.2.2]

34 When Vampires Attack.esp [Version 1.0.2]

35 SkyHavenTempleEnhanced.esp

36 TheDomain.esp

37 TheFrontier.esp

38 Tundra Defense.esp

39 Civil War Overhaul.esp

3A AOS_CWO Patch.esp

3B FalskaarDawnguard.esp

3C FireAndIceOverhaul.esp

3D AOS_FIO Patch.esp

3E Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

3F Schlongs of Skyrim.esp

40 SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp

41 SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp

42 SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp

++ SOS - Dawnguard Armors.esp

++ SOS - Dragonborn Armors.esp

43 SexLab Solutions.esp

44 SexLab Submit.esp

45 Helgen Reborn.esp [Version 105]

46 Predator Vision.esp

47 SmartCast_1_0.esp [Version 1.0]

48 DeadlySpellImpacts.esp

49 DeadlySpellImpacts - Two Fire.esp

4A AOS_DSI Patch.esp

4B ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp

4C Enchanting Freedom.esp

4D DragonCombatOverhaulDragonborn.esp

4E AOS_DCOd Patch.esp

4F CCO - Dynamic Skill Progression.esp

50 dagi_raht_race.esp

51 DagiRahtRequiemCompatible.esp

52 3DNPC.esp

53 HothFollower.esp

54 Inigo.esp

55 Civil War Followers.esp

56 SMSkyrim.esp [Version 3.2]

57 SMSkyrim - PrettyFace.esp [Version 1.0]

58 SMSkyrim - Dragonborn.esp [Version 1.1]

59 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp

5A Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp [Version 2.3.3b]

5B PCEA - 0 - DG and DB DLC - All Races_Requiem.esp

5C Bashed Patch, 0.esp

5D EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

5E ELFX - Exteriors.esp

5F ELFXEnhancer.esp

60 SkyrimURWL.esp

61 ASIS-Dependency.esp

62 ASIS.esp

Bain Packages:

000 - ==Lowest==

++ 001 - Unofficial Skyrim Patch-19-2-0-0a.7z (0C6FBE65) (Installed)

++ 002 - Unofficial Hearthfire Patch-25127-1-1-2.7z (CCF0A13C) (Installed)

++ 003 - Unofficial Dawnguard Patch-23491-2-0-0.7z (ED4487C7) (Installed)

++ 004 - Unofficial Dragonborn Patch-31083-2-0-0.7z (90DAA54D) (Installed)

++ 005 - SMIM v1-57-8655-1-57.7z (7A6B1AFB) (Installed)

006 - ==Non-ESP==

++ 007 - DCF_plugin-36125-1-2.zip (39A56657) (Installed)

++ 008 - Skyrim HD v1_5 LITE - Dungeons-607.7z (B5CE185E) (Installed)

++ 009 - Skyrim HD v1_5 LITE - Landscape-607.7z (AFEB618D) (Installed)

++ 010 - Skyrim HD v1_5 LITE - Misc-607.7z (E74ABA44) (Installed)

++ 011 - Skyrim HD v1_5 LITE - Towns-607.7z (33EC8BC6) (Installed)

++ 012 - Faces - YoungerFacesMergedWithMenByGeonox-2488.rar (2B36FAED) (Installed)

++ 013 - Nudes - FavoredSoulMeshes - ErectVersion-2488-2-3-2.rar (00FABF80) (Installed)

++ 014 - JazzJRCoverKhajiitBodytextureVer1-6192-1-0.rar (2707AAC9) (Installed)

++ 015 - coverwomen look_4-3563-2-0.rar (3B7FDE74) (Installed)

++ 016 - SkyUI_4_1-3863-4-1.7z (3C381685) (Installed)

++ 017 - coverkhajiits female version-5941-1-0.rar (8E9A2FD3) (Installed)

++ 018 - JazzJRCoverKhajiitFemaleBodytexture-7329-1-0.rar (64EC143E) (Installed)

++ 019 - Fuz Ro Doh 60-14884-6-0.zip (E5C7ACC9) (Installed)

++ 020 - Skyrim -Community- Uncapper v1_15_1_1-1175-1-15-1-1.rar (BA0F562D) (Installed)

++ 021 - Uncapper settings (68D710B7) (Installed)

++ 022 - RANs type-B Headmesh-7127-1-2.7z (8DC3E84D) (Installed)

++ 023 - EZ2C DIALOGUE MENU - FULLY CONFIGURABLE --18466-v3-1.rar (362AAAB5) (Installed)

++ 024 - Better MessageBox Controls v1_2-28170-1-2.zip (A52D4AF0) (Installed)

++ 025 - JazzJRCoverKhajiitBodyNoUnderwear-6192-1-0.rar (D6AEF64B) (Installed)

++ 026 - A Quality World Map Installer-4929.7z (FDF06CBA) (Installed)

++ 027 - HQ3DMap - Meshes Hi-Res-4817-2-0.7z (2831E96D) (Installed)

++ 028 - Designs of The Nords Banners-13429-1-5.zip (865B3FA9) (Installed)

++ 029 - jeclxohko -Jeclredured Enchanter Workbench Table II-34444-.7z (CAE85881) (Installed)

++ 030 - Morrowind Like Soul Gems-30348-1-0.7z (9E353B00) (Installed)

++ 031 - Gladius - replaces imperial sword-6085-.rar (3AB82C2E) (Installed)

++ 032 - Imperial Shield - RED Shield Version-6085-.rar (6A061F3B) (Installed)

++ 033 - Perfect Legionnaire 4-0 - Proper Gloves and Gauntlets FIXED-6085-.rar (7F8006E4) (Installed)

++ 034 - Perfect Legionnaire 4-0-6085-4-0.rar (535665D6) (Installed)

++ 035 - All-in-one NMM installer and BAIN Package - UPDATED-36510-2-01.7z (723B292B) (Installed)

++ 036 - Animated Dwemer Lift Load Doors-34399-1-0.zip (04C1D8D5) (Installed)

++ 037 - Animated Dwemer Lift Load Doors for Dragonborn DLC-34399-1-1.zip (D883DF21) (Installed)

++ 038 - SafetyLoad 1_2-46465-1-2.zip (77010EE0) (Installed)

++ 039 - ShowRaceMenu PreCacheKiller 1_3-33526-1-3.7z (A4D1524D) (Installed)

++ 040 - NobeBed02CollisionFix_v11.zip (3776E63D) (Installed)

++ 041 - Dramatic Clouds Ultra-4910-1-3.rar (19240153) (Installed)

++ 042 - Lush Trees and Grass 1_86-3288-1-86.7z (4AFD4379) (Installed)

++ 043 - Tamriel Reloaded without ENB-46925-1-0.rar (98CD8054) (Installed)

044 - ==Cosmetics==

++ 045 - RaceMenu v2-1-5-29624-2-1-5.7z (5567DA63) (Installed)

++ 046 - ApachiiSkyHair_v_1_5_Full-10168-1-5-Full.7z (3A7DC9BD) (Installed)

047 - ==Overhaul==

++ 048 - Requiem - requires Dawnguard - SKSE - SkyUI MCM-19281-1-7.7z (1608FF1F) (Installed)

++ 049 - Requiem - Mass Effect - now supporting Vilja and others-19281-1-7-3.7z (3EAF4A31) (Installed)

++ 050 - Character Creation Overhaul 1_3_2-21587-1-3-2.zip (BBD8DE7F) (Installed)

++ 051 - ERSO _ Erkeil Real Skyrim Overhaul _ BAIN Installer_by Artorius-26217-14-7.7z (02E3DCEF) (Installed)

052 - ==Clothing Armor and Weapons==

++ 053 - IA v6 BETA 2-19733-6-BETA-2.7z (3BA92CB5) (Installed)

++ 054 - Immersive Weapons-27644-1-5.7z (ACAF9B62) (Installed)

++ 055 - IAV6 for NPCs-27679-0-2.7z (C4E7C63D) (Installed)

++ 056 - Magicka_Sabers_0_3-3174-0-3.7z (69523594) (Installed)

++ 057 - Crossbow Basic Collection 1_1_2 EN LL-23876-1-1-2.rar (62444B90) (Installed)

++ 058 - Stormcloak Robes 1_1-27378-1-1.7z (CB317A56) (Installed)

059 - ==Places==

++ 060 - Immersive Snow and Ice - Mountain and Rock Edition-45435-0-3.rar (91FD7D19) (Installed)

++ 061 - Wet and Cold v1_31-27563-1-31.7z (CA07DC74) (Installed)

++ 062 - Winter Edition v1-0-0-46628-1-0-0.7z (E3749AD6) (Installed)

++ 063 - Winter Edition UPDATE v1-1-0-46628-1-1-0.7z (86F0852E) (Installed)

064 - ==Races==

++ 065 - Dagi-Khajiit Race 2.1.6 fomod.7z (DE91D91D) (Installed)

++ 066 - Predator Vision v 1_3-22274-1-3.rar (986651E1) (Installed)

++ 067 - RaceCompatibility All-in-One NMM installer-24168-1-72.7z (633F8476) (Installed)

068 - ==Misc==

++ 069 - kuASAT merged with MCM 0p704-13239-0-704.zip (0E65B50E) (Installed)

++ 070 - Intro Main menu wallpaper and music replacer for Requiem fans-41049-1-0.rar (5EBB2AEA) (Installed)

++ 071 - Fire and Ice Overhaul-43241-2-2.7z (5961B35A) (Installed)

072 - ==Crafting==

073 - ==NPCs==

++ 074 - Guard Dialogue Overhaul-23390-1-301.7z (9312F5D1) (Installed)

++ 075 - 3DNPC v3_03-8429-3-03.7z (DB1A52F6) (Installed)

++ 076 - Hearthfires Compatibility Patch v3_02-8429-3-02.zip (106ACD04) (Installed)

++ 077 - Give Gifts to NPCs - Voiced Version 2-0-37495-2-0.zip (CE9E3B7A) (Installed)

078 - ==Followers==

++ 079 - Hoth-24666-2.7z (8C905E65) (Installed)

++ 080 - INIGO V1_1-40960-1-1.rar (61456FE9) (Installed)

++ 081 - AmazingFollowerTweaks_1_66-15524-1-66.7z (F5F253DE) (Installed)

++ 082 - Civil War Followers-41894-0-9b.7z (EA33414B) (Installed)

++ 083 - Dwemer Certified-10442-1-22.zip (97D4441A) (Installed)

084 - ==Econmics==

085 - ==Magic and Shouts==

++ 086 - Forgotten Magic Redone v1-5-1-35339-1-5-1.7z (7140B396) (Installed)

++ 087 - Enchanting Freedom-8065-1-3.rar (C1ED186F) (Installed)

++ 088 - Smart Cast-43123-1-0.7z (F7E242E1) (Installed)

089 - ==Werewolves And Vampires==

++ 090 - Deadly Dragons package v6-3-5-3829-6-3-5.7z (3A68836F) (Installed)

091 - ==Gameplay==

++ 092 - Levelers Tower V35 Resources-14152-3-5.7z (F8405FE1) (Installed)

++ 093 - Levelers Tower v35a ESM-14152-3-5a.7z (88479E04) (Installed)

094 - ==Quest==

++ 095 - Destroy the Thieves Guild BSA version-28880-1-2-4.rar (B26C169A) (Installed)

++ 096 - Aethernautics- A Space Travel Mod-41754-1-2.rar (C5598C86) (Installed)

++ 097 - Civil War Overhaul-37216-2.7z (B08F34C9) (Installed)

++ 098 - V105a-35841-105a.7z (4E4AB658) (Installed)

++ 099 - Maids II - Deception_Packaged_Fixed-16021-3-2.7z (5C576B1F) (Installed)

++ 100 - The Frontier to Cyrodiil-33164-1-1.7z (546869D7) (Installed)

++ 101 - Tundra Defense v3-06-22330-3-06.zip (FF08D3D6) (Installed)

++ 102 - Recruit More Blades - SkyHavenTempleEnhanced - 8Aug2013-11750-8Aug2013.zip (2185696D) (Installed)

++ 103 - The Aldmeri Domain-33261-1-1.7z (6A3109C1) (Installed)

++ 104 - SOUTH DRAGON BRIDGE - Fight Against the Thalmor IV -33323-1-1.7z (B1446EBD) (Installed)

++ 105 - Adal Matar-33108-1-1.7z (DCA796E1) (Installed)

++ 106 - Falskaar V1_0_0-37994-1-0-0.7z (90147E33) (Installed)

++ 107 - Falskaar - Dawnguard Compatability Plugin V1_0_0-37994-1-0-0.7z (8A9D852F) (Installed)

++ 108 - Alternate Start - Live Another Life-9557-2-3-3b.7z (8E6C87D3) (Installed)

++ 109 - Cutting Room Floor-47327-1-0.7z (A3B13C87) (Installed)

110 - ==Realism==

++ 111 - Run For Your Lives-23906-1-2-2.7z (12D10F2A) (Installed)

++ 112 - When Vampires Attack-28235-1-0-2.7z (66B15310) (Installed)

++ 113 - Become a Bard 4_0_5-31680-4-0-5.7z (2BABDFB8) (Installed)

114 - ==Combat==

++ 115 - Dragon Combat Overhaul - Dragonborn-32597-9.7z (0C9CCDD3) (Installed)

116 - ==Lighting==

++ 117 - URWL Skyrim V2B-13531.rar (B5F6BC20) (Installed)

++ 118 - Enhanced Lights and FX-27043-0-4-1.7z (6D336B18) (Installed)

++ 119 - SMIM Meshes-27043-0-4-1.7z (49B38F54) (Installed)

++ 120 - DSI High v1_6_1-2947-1-6-1.7z (9FFE007A) (Installed)

121 - ==sound==

++ 122 - Fantasy Soundtrack Project v1-0-0-46518-.7z (6672A18E) (Installed)

++ 123 - Improved Combat Sounds V2 2-5289-2-2.zip (DF7E84EB) (Installed)

++ 124 - Main File --fixed the Normal Crossbow sound---31274-.rar (24A5031A) (Installed)

++ 125 - AOS_1_51-43773-1-51.rar (4F817DD4) (Installed)

++ 126 - Immersive Sounds - Magic-40190-1-0.zip (C35AD5F7) (Installed)

++ 127 - Civil War Overhaul - Patch-44541-1-51-0.7z (99933CF7) (Installed)

++ 128 - Complete - Legendary Version - Dawnguard AND Dragonborn-44541-1-51-1.7z (C8575263) (Installed)

++ 129 - Deadly Spell Impacts - Patch-44541-1-51-0.7z (1F2CBDF3) (Installed)

++ 130 - Dragon Combat Overhaul - Patches-44541-1-51-0.7z (8D056F47) (Installed)

++ 131 - Fire and Ice Overhaul - Patch-44541-1-51-0.7z (B85E1349) (Installed)

++ 132 - Requiem - Patch-44541-1-51-0.7z (3D05CCF6) (Installed)

133 - ==Last==

134 - ==Patches and Overrides==

++ 135 - More Firewood per Chop-11119-2-0.7z (7E3197AC) (Installed)

++ 136 - 9x more ore and 3x more swings-3096.zip (0067FABE) (Installed)

137 - ==Sexytime==

++ 138 - SexLabFramework.v124.7z (02C23334) (Installed)

++ 139 - MF_RadiantProstitution_v081b.7z (065D88D9) (Installed)

++ 140 - SexLab Solutions 021.7z (B849C56C) (Installed)

++ 141 - SexLab Submit 09NOV13 1905.7z (3791A487) (Installed)

++ 142 - SexLab_Aroused_v20131001.zip (EF11BA5A) (Installed)

143 - ==Tools==

++ 144 - ASIS Patcher 1-34-3-18436-1-34-3.7z (A0785A42) (Installed)

145 - ==Body==

++ 146 - Pretty Face-7887-1-7.7z (E389FD06) (Installed)

++ 147 - Pretty Face Pack UNP Neck Patch-7887-1-7.7z (41719089) (Installed)

++ 148 - UNP Armors version 2_1-7305-2-1.7z (ECFE6FF2) (Installed)

++ 149 - UNP Support for Immersive Armors v6-19733-6.7z (87D79F38) (Installed)

++ 150 - Flatter Normalmap UNP-7887-1-7.7z (EFE1C358) (Installed)

++ 151 - Meshes for UNPB users-7305-2-0.7z (BC85C4B6) (Installed)

++ 152 - Tavern Clothes Replacers UNPB - BBPx-20227-2-01.7z (A43575C1) (Installed)

++ 153 - Dawnguard Meshes for Vampire NPCs-8429-.7z (78B4CF85) (Installed)

++ 154 - SOS - Schlongs of Skyrim-35463-v2-03-010b.zip (9FCD8CB3) (Installed)

++ 155 - SOS - DLC armors-35463-v2-03-010b.rar (7BB3F7ED) (Installed)

156 - ==Crap==

++ 157 - FNIS Behavior V4_0_2 -- ALWAYS necessary-11811-4-0-2.7z (B55D470F) (Installed)

++ 158 - FNIS Creature Pack 4_0_4-11811-4-0-4.7z (C130E93D) (Installed)

++ 159 - PCEA 3-5-2 NMM Installer-14871-3-5-2.7z (E075DD3C) (Installed)

++ 160 - Enhanced Animation 0-4-45970-0-4.7z (52312E27) (Installed)

++ 161 - Enhanced Animation ALL (PCEA).7z (7DB381E3) (Installed)

++ 162 - Original-47086-1-1.7z (1D3D5505) (Installed)

++ 163 - Dual Wield Blocking Animations-14915-1-0.zip (5C1E520F) (Installed)

++ 164 - Faster GET UP STAND UP from back WIP-17491-1-0.rar (6E7E35A5) (Installed)

++ 165 - KISS - Khajiit Cat Sprint and Sneak-22604-v1-4.7z (4608F54A) (Installed)

++ 166 - Pack Evanoblivion Animations-9421-1-0.rar (7ED21B63) (Installed)

++ 167 - YYAnimReplacerMysticKnight_v1_0_0-33914-1-0-0.7z (2F6A0532) (Installed)

++ 168 - New Animation for magic cast v0-8-28428-0-8.7z (17C9DFA3) (Installed)

++ 169 - UNPB Body NMM BAIN Installer v2-5-2 FIX-37900-2-5-2.7z (E3F4566A) (Installed)

++ 170 - XPMS 1-7b NMM-BAIN Installer-26800-1-7b.7z (E91EC40E) (Installed)

++ 171 - pose 3 final - should sit on chair now-15674-1.rar (2A981060) (Installed)

++ 172 - VHH walk v1-3b LX - NMM installer-13272-1-3b.7z (3DABA473) (Installed)

++ 173 - XPMSplusSOSplusSMS BQLH 1HB DOBH -36923-2-0.rar (EDC41178) (Installed)

And finally my computer specs:

- CPU: AMD FX 4170 4.20GHZ

- RAM: 8.00GB

- GTX 560 2GB (2x SLI)

- 700 W PSU

- Windows 7 64 bit

Sometimes I get a very weird graphical glitch when I go into menus (which incidently is often when I crash, but it crashes a lot outside of menus too). A weird collection of triangles will appear and rapidly change color and grow/shrink/radiate/etc.

I'm sick of this. I'm sick of having to cut down my mods to a very very very sparse game in some vain hope that I can get some stability while I see others with load lists twice as big play stablely. And it's only Skyrim that gives me this sort of trouble. Fallout NV never does it.

*ZaZ* · November 21, 2013

Rofl ,

00 Skyrim.esm

01 Update.esm

02 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0a]

03 Dawnguard.esm

04 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0]

05 HearthFires.esm

06 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp [Version 1.1.2]

07 Dragonborn.esm

08 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0]

What the Hell

ESM>ESP Run Boss

DigitalVixen · November 21, 2013

I'm really not surprised that you crash often.

Requiem, SoS, Wet & Cold, FIO - these are all very heavy script mods and on top of all that you have Interesting NPC's, Immersive Patrols and other mods which add actors to the world. SoS, W&C and to some extent Requiem and FIO will all have to run more and more the more actors you have in your immediate area and it will cause an overload of the Papyrus system and crash you.

The glitch you see in your menu is from Safetyload. Turn it off outside of load screens, it should also stabilize your game somewhat when not in a load screen to do so if you have a lot of crashes right now. If you don't know how to do this, download the 1.1-test version and overwrite the 1.2 version you have now, it is the exact same just the basic setting is different for when it should be active.

You say you have SLI 560s - do they have 1 GB each or is that 2 GB each cards? Because with SLI the total amount is not interesting, only the smallest amount of the cards in a SLI will count. This is because in SLI the cards will keep the same inventory loaded in memory.

DigitalVixen · November 21, 2013

Rofl ,

00 Skyrim.esm

01 Update.esm

02 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0a]

03 Dawnguard.esm

04 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0]

05 HearthFires.esm

06 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp [Version 1.1.2]

07 Dragonborn.esm

08 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0]

What the Hell

ESM>ESP Run Boss

While ESM > ESP is correct your assumption is wrong.

The latest Unofficial patches are ESMs that have kept the .esp file ending for the sake of compatibility. The load order above is correct.

*CGi* · November 21, 2013

it's what the USKP authors resommend and what BOSS does, but only a few mod manager show this order.
in the end it doesn't matter anyway, as the engine will load all ESMs first anyway, so the the result will this:

00 Skyrim.esm

01 Update.esm

03 Dawnguard.esm

05 HearthFires.esm

07 Dragonborn.esm

02 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0a]

04 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0]

06 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp [Version 1.1.2]

08 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0]

XX ...

*ZaZ* · November 21, 2013

Rofl ,

00 Skyrim.esm

01 Update.esm

02 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0a]

03 Dawnguard.esm

04 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0]

05 HearthFires.esm

06 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp [Version 1.1.2]

07 Dragonborn.esm

08 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0]

What the Hell

ESM>ESP Run Boss

While ESM > ESP is correct your assumption is wrong.

The latest Unofficial patches are ESMs that have kept the .esp file ending for the sake of compatibility. The load order above is correct.

ooh , Interesting

Maybe Because im Running older Patches

00 Skyrim.esm

01 Update.esm

02 Dawnguard.esm

03 HearthFires.esm

04 Dragonborn.esm

05 ApachiiHair.esm

06 RaceCompatibility.esm

07 Alicia.esm

08 SexLab.esm [Version 1.24]

09 ZaZAnimationPack.esm

0A Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp [Version 1.3.3c]

0B Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp [Version 1.2.4]

0C Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp [Version 1.1.2]

0D Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]

Cheers

DigitalVixen · November 21, 2013

it's what the USKP authors resommend and what BOSS does, but only a few mod manager show this order.

in the end it doesn't matter anyway, as the engine will load all ESMs first anyway, so the the result will this:

00 Skyrim.esm

01 Update.esm

03 Dawnguard.esm

05 HearthFires.esm

07 Dragonborn.esm

02 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0a]

04 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0]

06 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp [Version 1.1.2]

08 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0]

XX ...

Incorrect as the game will actually see the unofficial patches as ESM files.

[update.esm] Loading file

[update.esm] File loaded

[update.esm] Start processing

[unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp] Loading file

[unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp] File loaded

[unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp] Start processing

[Dawnguard.esm] Loading file

[Dawnguard.esm] File loaded

[Dawnguard.esm] Start processing

*CGi* · November 21, 2013

Incorrect as the game will actually see the unofficial patches as ESM files.

[update.esm] Loading file

[update.esm] File loaded

[update.esm] Start processing

[unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp] Loading file

[unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp] File loaded

[unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp] Start processing

[Dawnguard.esm] Loading file

[Dawnguard.esm] File loaded

[Dawnguard.esm] Start processing

Yep. My fault. Didn't notice, that they were turned into master files.

So ya, they are loaded as listet, together with the ESMs.

DigitalVixen · November 21, 2013

Rofl ,

00 Skyrim.esm

01 Update.esm

02 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0a]

03 Dawnguard.esm

04 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0]

05 HearthFires.esm

06 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp [Version 1.1.2]

07 Dragonborn.esm

08 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0]

What the Hell

ESM>ESP Run Boss

While ESM > ESP is correct your assumption is wrong.

The latest Unofficial patches are ESMs that have kept the .esp file ending for the sake of compatibility. The load order above is correct.

ooh , Interesting

Maybe Because im Running older Patches

00 Skyrim.esm

01 Update.esm

02 Dawnguard.esm

03 HearthFires.esm

04 Dragonborn.esm

05 ApachiiHair.esm

06 RaceCompatibility.esm

07 Alicia.esm

08 SexLab.esm [Version 1.24]

09 ZaZAnimationPack.esm

0A Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp [Version 1.3.3c]

0B Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp [Version 1.2.4]

0C Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp [Version 1.1.2]

0D Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]

Cheers

Yeah, it's only with the latest 2.x patches that they have turned into ESM files. Except for Hearthfire which is now also a ESM file but the versioning is different, for some reason.

hryh23k9823u · November 21, 2013

The correct order for unnofficial patches after 2.0 is like this:

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp

Dawnguard.esm

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp

HearthFires.esm

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp

Dragonborn.esm

Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp

You can do it manually or adding the rule in your userlist.txt as BOSS suggest, like this:

OVERRIDE: Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
AFTER: Update.esm


OVERRIDE: Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
AFTER: Dawnguard.esm


OVERRIDE: Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp
AFTER: HearthFires.esm


OVERRIDE: Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
AFTER: Dragonborn.esm

As for your constant crashes and unstabilities, its pretty simple. Skyrim is a xbox game with a very old engine, it cant handle many things: ie many scripted mods plus hi res texture packs. I recommend you to chose between mods that adds scripts, respawns, navmeshes or mods that adds basically, textures bigger than 512 in therms of maps, landscapes and structures specially. Thats just to beging with, but without taking that in consideration, reviewing loadorder and papyrus settings is kinda futile...

*D_ManXX2* · November 21, 2013

Maybe you are overloading your pc with too many script intensive mods at the same time. i had the problem you described too previously then i installed modOrganizer. i can just switch some mods off and now hardly crash.

after viewing your load order there are many things that can cause the crash. first and foremost you will be crashing allot because you have these mods all working in 1 game:

SexLabAroused.

civil war overhaul

fire and ice

asis

3DNPC.esp

AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp

WetandCold.esp

I can play these 2 just fine now:

civil war overhaul

fire and ice

But i need to disable all other mods in my list to be able to play with these 2 active.

Fire and Ice is major drain. if you use Asis and you set the spawn of enemy too high you will be able to even crash fasted pc because there will many npc using fire an ice spell at the same time. you will then cripple your entire pc this way.

So if you want to play the mods in your list you will have no other choice to start deactivating the most draining once or you will keep crashing every second.

Always hard CTD. No messageboxes.

if you crash this way, because you run out of memory. there is a hard cap on skyrim with is 3.1 gig of memory and if you pass over this value you will crash without a warning.

Check this topic:

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/22517-wip-vixens-guide-to-stable-skyrim-modding-v112-2013-11-13-latest-addition-skyrim-ram-explained/

It may help you get your game to play more stable.

shadowlord445 · November 21, 2013

Well, I have a few suggestions, so here goes.

1) Try starting a new game without the unofficial patches. From my own experiences, they gave me nothing but trouble.

2) Quest mods like Falskaar, the Frontier, and the Domain can conflict with other mods. And Falskaar is not as stable as the mod author says it is.

3) Civil War Overhaul, Dragon Combat Overhaul, Fire and Ice, Wet and Cold, and Schlongs are really script intensive mods. You can disable a few features in Wet and Cold to make it play better. From personal experience Dragon Combat Overhaul is a bit wacky, and it left a lot of errors in my papyrus logs. I think you're supposed to have one Schlong esp active, either the muscular one or the average one, not both.

4) Immersive Patrols, I'm not too sure about this mod, I uninstalled it and my ctd's went down, might want to think about getting rid of it for the time being.

5) SKSE up to date?

Really all the advice I can give, hope you get it sorted out.

cornbreadtm · November 21, 2013

It's your texture packs. Get rid of them (except from armor and body textures, those are fine). I'm guessing it SMIM, I doubt you picked out only what you needed from the pack and installed the whole thing. It's very tasking on Skyrim to load high poly meshes, first thing I learned in school about making game models is low poly is always better for large spaces. If your modeling a home for architecture purposes, then go high poly but never do that for games. Personally I use the barrels and skeletons. If your crashes persist then you know it's another mod.

Too many script heavy mods usually wont cause your game to crash but the scripts wont work right. They will get backed up, might even throw a few papyrus errors if that happens. If they do cause you game to crash it means that one or more of them have poorly done scripts.

Edit: He's my load order for reference. I have a lot of script heavy mods. I keep them about the 7F mark though do to the SKSE bug. Only time I crash is when HDT decides it needs to be a dick but it saves so who cares. Without HDT in I can play for around 10 hours on a weekend with no crashes. Load Order is at 217.

Skyrim.esm=1
Update.esm=1
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp=1
Dawnguard.esm=1
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp=1
HearthFires.esm=1
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp=1
Dragonborn.esm=1
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp=1
Falskaar.esm=1
ApachiiHair.esm=1
ApachiiHairFemales.esm=1
ApachiiHairMales.esm=1
AzarHair.esm=1
SGHairPackBase.esm=1
RaceCompatibility.esm=1
Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm=1
DynamicLoot.esm=1
hdtHighHeel.esm=1
HmmWhatToWear.esm=1
Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm=1
phiNoFF.esm=1
Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm=1
SexLab.esm=1
SPERG.esm=1
TERAArmors.esm=1
Xvision Children.esm=1
ZaZAnimationPack.esm=1
HighResTexturePack01.esp=0
HighResTexturePack02.esp=0
HighResTexturePack03.esp=0
Xvision Children - Complete.esp=1
Brawl Bugs CE.esp=1
No_stretching.esp=1
RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp=1
ADS.esp=1
AOS.esp=1
RCFIS.esp=1
ColorfulLightsNoShadows.esp=1
Remove Interior Fog V2 - Full Version.esp=1
Cutting Room Floor.esp=1
TradeBarter.esp=1
Aurora - The Doomstone Package.esp=1
Dead Body Collision.esp=1
DFB - Random Encounters.esp=1
Ars Metallica - Complete.esp=1
Dual Sheath Redux.esp=1
fFastTravelSpeedMult_4.esp=1
Lanterns Of Skyrim - AIO - Dawnguard.esp=1
MF_RadiantProstitution.esp=1
more locked containers.esp=1
ORM-Arvak.esp=1
ScreamOfWilhelm.esp=1
Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp=1
Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp=1
SkyrimCoinReplacer.esp=1
SPTDiverseGuardsSkyrim.esp=1
SwiftPotion.esp=1
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp=1
Character Creation Overhaul.esp=1
RaceMenu.esp=1
RaceMenuPlugin.esp=1
RaceMenuOverlays.esp=1
towConversation.esp=1
vAutosaveManager.esp=1
SkyUI.esp=1
iHUD.esp=1
LessIntrusiveHUD.esp=1
ExplosiveBoltsVisualized.esp=1
DynamicLoot_DB.esp=1
DynamicLoot_DG.esp=1
Clothing Comp Complete.esp=1
HarvestOverhaulDawnguardDragonborn.esp=1
DeadlyDragons.esp=1
ERSO 30 - Better Enemy AI Dawnguard&Dragonborn.esp=1
Dawnguard Radiant Quest Adjustment.esp=1
Gildergreen Regrown.esp=1
kankaraya.esp=1
Run For Your Lives.esp=1
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp=1
towBlockSteal.esp=1
LeatherW_fix ENG.esp=0
AchieveThat.esp=1
All-MakerStonesPower.esp=1
FSS-Slight pause between lines.esp=0
Headtracking.esp=1
HelmetToggle2.02b.esp=1
Increased Bounty & Guild Rewards.esp=1
LearnAlchemyFromRecipes.esp=1
MoreSalt.esp=0
PotemaCrashFix.esp=1
Proper Aiming.esp=0
Schlongs of Skyrim.esp=1
SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp=1
SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp=0
SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp=0
SOS - B3lisario Horsecock Addon.esp=1
SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon.esp=1
SOS - Dawnguard Armors.esp=0
SOS - Dragonborn Armors.esp=0
serana stfu.esp=1
SexLab Submit.esp=1
SSLVV.esp=1
SexLab Cumshot.esp=1
Convenient Horses.esp=1
Superjump_2x.esp=0
Thieves Guild Requirements.esp=1
TimingIsEverything.esp=1
UnreadBooksGlow.esp=1
Waterbreathing Breathless Emerge.esp=1
wizDynamicThings.esp=1
BFT Ships and Carriages - HF.esp=1
Provincial Courier Service.esp=1
RealisticRoomRental.esp=1
RRR_Hearthfire-Patch.esp=1
RRR_Dragonborn-Patch.esp=1
EBS.esp=1
ZF Primary Needs.esp=1
ZF TrapsDiseasesPoison.esp=1
DVA - Dynamic Vampire Appearance.esp=1
Better Vampires.esp=1
bestialhungerring.esp=1
Mighty Beasts - Vampire Lord.esp=1
Mighty Beasts - Werewolf.esp=0
BloodmoonRising.esp=1
Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp=1
Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp=1
Colorful_Magic.esp=1
LoreFriendlySpells.esp=1
SmartCast_1_0.esp=1
BFSEffects.esp=1
ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp=1
ShoutsUnleashed.esp=1
The Grace of Divine -True 9 Divines Blessings-.esp=1
The Grace of Divine -Dawnguard Option-.esp=1
Eld-combinePotions.esp=1
ElaborateEnchantments.esp=1
Dual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp=1
DragonCombatOverhaulDragonborn.esp=1
Deadly Blow.esp=1
The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp=1
skeleton_killmoves - BADASS EDITION.esp=1
Fight_like_a_badass.esp=1
TKcombat.esp=1
TKDodge.esp=1
Pouncer.esp=1
No Skill Limit.esp=1
AlternateStatSystem.esp=1
vDynamicDifficulty.esp=1
_BEEMod001.esp=1
SPERG.esp=1
SPERG-DG.esp=1
SPERG-DB.esp=1
SPERG Better Sorting.esp=1
Bound Armory - SPERG.esp=1
dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp=1
FantasySoundtrackProject.esp=1
FantasySoundtrackProjectCombatMusic.esp=1
FixCombatMusic.esp=1
Immersive Sounds - Weaponry.esp=1
SMPC_sounds.esp=1
DLC Shrines for Hearthfire Homes.esp=1
Magecraft.esp=1
Point The Way.esp=1
7B_DragonbornArmors.esp=0
ArmorSizeMastery.esp=1
Elemental Staves.esp=1
Mage Friendly Miraak and Cultist Gear.esp=0
PrinceandPauper.esp=1
Sexy Armor Replacer Patch.esp=1
TERAArmors - Leveled Lists.esp=1
UniqueWeaponsRedone.esp=1
mothPriestSandals_weightsliderFix.esp=0
female mannequins in homes.esp=1
female mannequins.esp=1
BlockSparkles.esp=1
Dragons no LODs.esp=1
HearthFireHomesNoReset.esp=1
Book Covers Skyrim.esp=1
Book Covers Dawnguard.esp=1
Book Covers Hearthfire.esp=1
Book Covers Dragonborn.esp=1
SOS - Revealing Armors.esp=1
SOS - Revealing Armor Mastery.esp=1
aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp=1
SaturationBoost.esp=1
Beards.esp=1
SGEyebrows.esp=1
Agartha_Hair.esp=1
Glowing Eyes.esp=1
InnovaEyes.esp=1
Iridum Eyes NRT.esp=1
Iridum Eyes X-race Patch.esp=1
TheEyesOfBeauty.esp=1
The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp=1
WyldMenuPlugFemale.esp=1
WyldMenuPlugMale.esp=1
SKTSwarpaints.esp=1
The Coenaculi.esp=1
Tribal Tattoo Overlays.esp=1
Resplendent - The Races Package.esp=1
Feminine Females.esp=1
High Level Enemies - Complete.esp=1
Race_Merged_Plugin.esp=1
Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp=1
specializedfollowers.esp=1
FMO.esp=1
HousecarlsAreTanks.esp=1
HousecarlsAreTanks-HF.esp=1
Sneaky_Serana.esp=1
AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp=1
AFT_NoFriendlySpellDamage.esp=1
Merged_Plugin.esp=1
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp=1
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp=1
CharGen Morphs.esp=1
CharGen ECE Morphs.esp=1
Extra Scars.esp=1
Facelight.esp=1
NoStartingSpells.esp=1
Isharas_CustomPlayerBody.esp=1
Notification Overhaul.esp=0
Clean Invisibility Effects plus Eyes Fix.esp=1
No More Glowing Edges.esp=1
GreenWaterFix_v2withDawnguard.esp=1
Fixed Stone of Barenziah places.esp=1
Armor_Plugin.esp=0
Xvision Children - USKP.esp=1
Xvision Children - Falskaar.esp=1
Xvision Children - PaP.esp=1
Bashed Patch, 0.esp=1
ASIS-Dependency.esp=1
ASIS.esp=1
Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp=1
ZF Primary Needs Patcher.esp=1

cornbreadtm · November 21, 2013

Well, I have a few suggestions, so here goes.

1) Try starting a new game without the unofficial patches. From my own experiences, they gave me nothing but trouble.

2) Quest mods like Falskaar, the Frontier, and the Domain can conflict with other mods. And Falskaar is not as stable as the mod author says it is.

3) Civil War Overhaul, Dragon Combat Overhaul, Fire and Ice, Wet and Cold, and Schlongs are really script intensive mods. You can disable a few features in Wet and Cold to make it play better. From personal experience Dragon Combat Overhaul is a bit wacky, and it left a lot of errors in my papyrus logs. I think you're supposed to have one Schlong esp active, either the muscular one or the average one, not both.

4) Immersive Patrols, I'm not too sure about this mod, I uninstalled it and my ctd's went down, might want to think about getting rid of it for the time being.

5) SKSE up to date?

Really all the advice I can give, hope you get it sorted out.

You should be careful about the advice you give, can cause more harm than good if it's based only on personal experience.

1) telling someone to remove the unofficial patches should never be given as advice. They are obviously using them to avoid the vanilla bugs.

2) Falskaar has it's own world space... It wont cause problems in the Skyrim world space so it's not the problem. Doesn't have any compatibily issues do to it using most of its own resources.

3) You can activate as many schlongs as your want and schlongs isn't script intensive, it only runs a pass for each actor so unless you have 50 naked men running around on 1 cell it wont cause problem, if you do have 50 naked men it will just back up the script while it loads each schlong. Once a schlong is decided for an actor the script runs faster. Dragon Combat Overhaul is fine, its only current problem is that it turns off some features when loading a save with a dragon attacking in the cell. And papyrus isn't a crash log so...yeah.

Civil War Overhaul and Wet & Cold have been know offenders for CTDs for people on this forum and others. Unlike schlongs of skyrim Wet & Cold is constantly running its scripts and some of the scripts are every hard to optimize the author has improved the mod a lot but I still see tons of reports that the mod has been the cause of crashes even after the updates. Civil War Overhaul is just buggy (Bethesda's fault not the authors) not even Arthmoor will touch the civil war...

4) Will cause problems depending on PC specs. May be better to take this out for some people.

Rayblue · November 21, 2013

How timely -- I stripped out architecture, dungeon, landscape and vegetation mods, after I realized that those high-poly, high-res mods were taxing the game engine -- and by extension Papyrus, so I was getting the CTDs.

The high-poly meshes may have their place in presentation such as architectural models or for static scenery, but yeah, in most cases they're good in a game only if you have the top-tier gaming rig to handle all of it and do a lot of screencapping.

hryh23k9823u · November 21, 2013

Meshes arent that bad, at least the only mod I use (static meshes improvements) it's not at all a performance/vram hitter (not much, i thnk), but hi res textures are all, in every single case. Textures bigger than 1024 its a big no-no in skyrim, and if you're running almost 255 mods and TONS of them scripted (like me....) then its when you even consider download this: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/14504/?

*rylasasin* · November 21, 2013

hmmm Interesting advice.

Card VRAM: According to GPU-Z: 2GB. Though TBF I've been thinking of doing at least one upgrade this christmas season. Which should it be: CPU, GPU (axe the two 560s for something far stronger) or something else?

But backt to the load list: Sooo let's see. Get rid of Skyrim HD (rather pointless if i'm running Winter/Summer/Tropical Skyrim anyway). And Tamriel Reloaded. Should I get rid of the HD Map, nord banner, and lush trees too? Or is that alright? Also getting rid of Lush Grass/Trees (again, pointless if I'm running Winter or Tropical Skyrim)

Requiem: Thing is, it's either Requiem or its Skyre. And I really don't like Skyre (Reproccer is fucking useless.)

Getting rid of SIMM, Run For Your Lives, When Vampires Attack, ELFX, DSI. Axe Fire and Ice Overhaul (Overhyped stuff), Dragon Combat Overhaul (doesn't do much that Deadly Dragons doesn't already do) Wet and Cold.

ASIS: Thing is, I find it's just not the same without having swarms of dragur/bandits. Feels too... sparse, especially with followers. But I know there's basically 4 choices:

ASIS, Skyrim More Spawns, Sands of Time (or whatever its called these days), and Nightmare. Oh and warzones but even I'm smart enough to avoid that like the plague. So, I put the question to you guys: Which one is better for me to pick?

hryh23k9823u · November 21, 2013

Upgrades wont help you. Skyrim is an xbox game with a very old engine, no matter if you try to run it in a computer from the Nasa... The limitations will be the same, sadly.

Also I dont understand you getting rid from mods like ELFX. They're pretty stable and causes no troubles... I mean you can keep all the good mods as long as you arent too greedy with eyecandy textures and such things and meshes maybe too.

GrimReaper · November 21, 2013

My personal advice would be to ged rid of Wet&Cold. It's an awesome mod and the author has really done what he can to make the mod not CTD your game every 5 seconds but if you run any other mod it's basically Wet&Cold or any other mods. Mods that use scripts will be spammed with Wet&Cold's scripts while trying to execute their own scripts and mods that add NPCs to your game will even add more stress on your game because Wet&Cold runs the scripts for those newely added NPCs, too.

I'd say that even Sands of Time is less demanding than Wet&Cold. Sands of Time scripts run fairly often but Wet&Cold's scripts run all the time, except when you are indoors.

cornbreadtm · November 21, 2013

hmmm Interesting advice.

Card VRAM: According to GPU-Z: 2GB. Though TBF I've been thinking of doing at least one upgrade this christmas season. Which should it be: CPU, GPU (axe the two 560s for something far stronger) or something else?

But backt to the load list: Sooo let's see. Get rid of Skyrim HD (rather pointless if i'm running Winter/Summer/Tropical Skyrim anyway). And Tamriel Reloaded. Should I get rid of the HD Map, nord banner, and lush trees too? Or is that alright? Also getting rid of Lush Grass/Trees (again, pointless if I'm running Winter or Tropical Skyrim)

Requiem: Thing is, it's either Requiem or its Skyre. And I really don't like Skyre (Reproccer is fucking useless.)

Getting rid of SIMM, Run For Your Lives, When Vampires Attack, ELFX, DSI. Axe Fire and Ice Overhaul (Overhyped stuff), Dragon Combat Overhaul (doesn't do much that Deadly Dragons doesn't already do) Wet and Cold.

ASIS: Thing is, I find it's just not the same without having swarms of dragur/bandits. Feels too... sparse, especially with followers. But I know there's basically 4 choices:

ASIS, Skyrim More Spawns, Sands of Time (or whatever its called these days), and Nightmare. Oh and warzones but even I'm smart enough to avoid that like the plague. So, I put the question to you guys: Which one is better for me to pick?

You took out too much... well to much stuff that had nothing to do with your problem lol. Run for your lives and dragon combat overhaul can stay. You never said that you were crashing every time you saw a dragon

Honestly... why do people use wet & cold, it's literally the #3 cause of CTDs on this site right after FEMA and nigga moments. XD

Getting rid of the HD packs was good but if you're using winter/summer/tropical skyrim then I think we found your problem. You game is crashing on cell load cause those mods add a lot of data to each cell. Personally lush trees made me lag but not crash, still got rid of it though, fuck lod mods who gives a shit about that unless you're only playing for screenshots. But yeah looking at what you had in there.... I'm surprised that you were able to load your game. Was safety load getting you in?

and ASIS, duh... no scripts. ASIS has had 0 impact on my proformance. and if it starts to all you have to do is lower the spawns and reproc it...

*rylasasin* · November 21, 2013

Getting rid of the HD packs was good but if you're using winter/summer/tropical skyrim then I think we found your problem. You game is crashing on cell load cause those mods add a lot of data to each cell. Personally lush trees made me lag but not crash, still got rid of it though, fuck lod mods who gives a shit about that unless you're only playing for screenshots. But yeah looking at what you had in there.... I'm surprised that you were able to load your game. Was safety load getting you in?

and ASIS, duh... no scripts. ASIS has had 0 impact on my proformance. and if it starts to all you have to do is lower the spawns and reproc it...

Eh no, strangely I never have it crash on cell load. It's always when I'm already in the cell or I try to open menus.

eifrag · November 21, 2013

removing safety load fixed it for me.

DigitalVixen · November 21, 2013

To be really rough and fair: as long as a mod is not poorly made (4k textures when covering a chopstick/scripts that are really badly written) there is no reason to drop things out at all and in the former of the examples - use a texture optimizer to fix it if you really want to use that texture. It's mostly about making them work together and be smart in how you choose them. If you have a slow computer then yeah, having a ton of scripted mods will cause issues - but only if your CPU really is running at its maximum all the time or often times during game play. Otherwise, no, your RAM/CPU won't have any impact on how the game will perform. What will happen is that the Papyrus system gets overloaded, which usually happens far before any modern CPU says "argh!".

As someone mentioned before - scripts usually don't make you crash, they instead make you lag - which incidentally can lead to crashes if it gets too bad - what really makes you crash is that Skyrim has shit poor memory handling. These days there are a number of mods which helps to alleviate this: safety load, stable ugrid to load, nitpick etc. all do their part to make your game more stable.

Regarding VRAM usage - with ENBoost you can have way more texture mods than your VRAM should allow you to have. I made a copy of my data folder and gave it to my sibling to play on their computer which have a 1.5GB VRAM and with ENBoost I was so surprised over how well it ran. Almost no lag. Not to mention that you won't have 3.1 GB crashes with ENBoost. You just won't get that high RAM usage on the Skyrim executable.

But all things add up. If you add Wet & Cold, then perhaps having a bunch of NPC adding mods isn't what you should do. If you run Skyrim Immersive Creatures it might be a good idea to turn off the Random Cell Respawner. And so on.

One thing that people tend to overlook is the importance of using TES5Edit to clean out mods that add/change/remove things that are then later overwritten by yet another mod. If you, for instance, have a mod which changes the appearance of a NPC and then yet another mod that does it again, perhaps it would be wise to remove the first one or at least its references for it. The same goes for textures, weapons and the like. Because what will happen is that they'll get loaded, then scrapped, then loaded again. And as we have already concluded - Skyrims memory handling is crap. So do that often enough and "hello desktop".

This is my mod list, and it's stable. Granted I've edited the hell out of most of the mods, but it goes to prove that it IS possible to do it right. I just played 2,5 hours without a single crash. On top of what is visible here I have around 130ish texture/mesh mods. However there ARE places where I will instantly CTD if I don't fast travel there - such as the Cyrodiil border (known to those who play the Aldmeri Dominion series of quests) because there are three mods that at things to that area.

Update.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
Dawnguard.esm
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
HearthFires.esm
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
ApachiiHair.esm
ApachiiHairFemales.esm
ApachiiHairMales.esm
ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
TERAArmors.esm
hdtHighHeel.esm
Ket_ARMONIZER_v2.esm
SPERG.esm
SPIKE.esm
Xvision Children.esm
Xvision Children - Complete.esp
Brawl Bugs CE.esp
Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
Chesko_Frostfall.esp
Better Dynamic Snow.esp
SplashofRain.esp
AOS.esp
BWS.esp
Elewin Combat Voice.esp
mintylightningmod.esp
MintyLightningMod_COT_Patch.esp
FantasySoundtrackProject.esp
Cutting Room Floor.esp
StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp
StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp
Economics of Skyrim.esp
Economics of Skyrim - Dawnguard.esp
Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
Dead Body Collision.esp
DynamicTorches.esp
EpisodeParallax.esp
PilgrimsDelight.esp
Radiant and Unique Potions Poisons and Booze.esp
RunStaminaDrain.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp
Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
SPTDiverseGuardsSkyrim.esp
TorchesForSkyrim.esp
WetandCold.esp
WetandCold - Ashes.esp
Footprints.esp
Footprints - Ash.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
SkyUI.esp
iHUD.esp
BAMM.esp
Cloaks - No Imperial.esp
Cloaks - No Imperial - Dawnguard.esp
1nivWICCloaksNoGuards.esp
1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch-No ImpGuards.esp
DF_T19.esp
Ket_ARMONIZER_LListsNPC.esp
DonMichHeels.esp
Elewin Pumps 2.esp
FS_UltimateAssortment.esp
HN66mage4vanilla.esp
hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
imp_helm.esp
Insanity's Shields.esp
isilNarsil.esp
LadyKdCirclets.esp
LOTR Shield Pack.esp
Medusa and Drakul Armors.esp
Roman armor and weapons replacer.esp
SexyKunoichi2ndByNausicaa.esp
StormcloakCuirassEnhanced.esp
StormLord.esp
Svs Collection Jewelry.esp
TERAArmors.esp
TERA Boots n Greaves - for HDT.esp
Unique Uniques.esp
UNP Jewelry Variants V3.esp
LC_immersiveLoot.esp
Height Adjusted Races with True Giants.esp
DigitigradeKhajiit+ArgonianRaptor.esp
ERSO 01 - VRR HighElflore.esp
DeadlyDragons.esp
ERSO 04 - Mighty Odahviing.esp
ERSO 04.2 - Mighty Durnehviir.esp
ERSO 08 - RUS-00 Main plus Dawnguard Dragonborn.esp
ERSO 08.1 - ERSO MIRAAKB.esp
ERSO 08.2 - ERSO HARKON.esp
ERSO 08.99 - Lord of the Dead for ERSO 09.esp
ERSO 09 - RUS-Npcs overhaul USKP compatible plus LOTD.esp
ERSO 10.05 - Immersive Patrols.esp
ERSO 16 - Realistic Crime Alert Distances - MEDIUM.esp
ERSO 18 - LAWE Hardcore.esp
ERSO 30 - Better Enemy AI Dawnguard&Dragonborn.esp
ACProudSpireManor.esp
AdalMatar.esp
BetterDarkBrotherhood.esp
Breezehome_Fully_Upgradable.esp
CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
CWIApachiiSkyHairPatch.esp
CWIDawnguardPatch.esp
CWIDragonbornPatch.esp
Destroy the Thieves Guild.esp
DragonmournInn.esp
Here There Be Monsters.esp
Immersive Darkwater crossing.esp
Immersive Dawnstar.esp
Immersive Dragon Bridge.esp
Immersive Falkreath.esp
Immersive Ivarstead.esp
Immersive Karthwasten.esp
Immersive Kynesgrove.esp
Immersive Morthal.esp
Immersive Orc Strongholds.esp
Immersive Rorikstead.esp
Immersive Shors stone.esp
Inconsequential NPCs.esp
PP_OgmundsTomb.esp
PP_WindcallerPass.esp
When Vampires Attack.esp
SkyHavenTempleEnhanced.esp
TheDomain.esp
TheFrontier.esp
Undeath.esp
Morrowloot.esp
Better_Standing_Stones.esp
Book Covers Skyrim.esp
Book Covers Dawnguard.esp
Book Covers Hearthfire.esp
Book Covers Dragonborn.esp
Civil War Repairs.esp
Civil War Overhaul.esp
AOS_CWO Patch.esp
College of Winterhold Entry Requirements.esp
Distant DetailHF.esp
ESFCompanions.esp
Grass_On_Steroids_SFO-SHORT.esp
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
Headtracking.esp
OpenFaceGuardHelmets.esp
SkaalKidAetaCoat.esp
SkyFalls Plus SkyMills - All DLC.esp
SFO - Expanded Diversity.esp
SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp
SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators-Dawnguard.esp
SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators-Dragonborn.esp
Convenient Horses.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp
AOS_EBT Patch.esp
TimingIsEverything.esp
Helgen Reborn.esp
WhiterunAlivePiano.esp
DawnofWindhelm.esp
3DNPC.esp
EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
ELFX - Exteriors.esp
ELFX - NoBreezehome.esp
ELFX - Dawnguard.esp
ELFX - Dragonborn.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
AOS_COT-DG Patch.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-5.esp
CoT_SnowPatch.esp
prod80_CoT_patch_FogEdition.esp
ELFXEnhancer.esp
CWIELnFXPatch.esp
HitStop.esp
DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
AOS_DSI Patch.esp
ImprovedSneakDetection.esp
DeadlyCombat.esp
Dual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp
DragonCombatOverhaulDragonborn.esp
AOS_DCOd Patch.esp
TKRecoil.esp
ABT - Faster Bolts Improved +50%.esp
ABT - Faster Arrows Improved +75%.esp
SPERG.esp
SPERG-DG.esp
SPERG-DB.esp
dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp
Beards.esp
Brows.esp
RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp
RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp
RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp
RND_USKP-Patch.esp
RND_UniqueBoozeBottles-Patch.esp
HothFollower.esp
Thorald GreyMane.esp
Inigo.esp
No NPC Greetings.esp
Kitiara.esp
SlavePackRiekling.esp
AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
CharGen ECE Morphs.esp
SPTConsistentOlderPeople.esp
ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp
Isharas_CustomPlayerBody.esp
TTYM - Think to Yourself Messages.esp
AOS_ELFX Patch.esp
getSnowy.esp
RealisticWaterTwo.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp
AOS_RWT Patch.esp
Xvision Children - USKP.esp
Xvision Children - 3DNPC.esp
Xvision Children - IncNPCs.esp
AOS_WetandCold Patch.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
Bashed Patch, 0 Copy.esp
Bashed Patch, 0 Copy Copy.esp
ERSO 02.1 - Realistic Animal Loots.esp
NPC_Overhaul_v1.esp
Guard Overhaul GoT.esp
malukahmm-ageofoppression.esp
Xvision Children - OverridePatch.esp

That's 227 active mods, some very script heavy.

...0... · November 21, 2013

I've tried to come back to skyrim from fallout new vegas, but I keep running into the same problem. I keep crashing after only a few minutes of play.

Always hard CTD. No messageboxes.

I've tried cutting down mods and that doesn't work. I've tried ENB Boost but that doesn't work. I've tried optimising textures with Ordenador but that doesn't stop it.

Here's my current load list

Active Mod Files:

00 Skyrim.esm

01 Update.esm

02 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0a]

03 Dawnguard.esm

04 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0]

05 HearthFires.esm

06 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp [Version 1.1.2]

07 Dragonborn.esm

08 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0]

09 Falskaar.esm

0A ApachiiHair.esm

0B RaceCompatibility.esm

0C LevelersTower.esm

0D Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm

0E SexLab.esm [Version 1.24]

0F SexLabAroused.esm

10 SPIKE.esm

11 RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp

12 AOS.esp

13 FantasySoundtrackProject.esp

14 Cutting Room Floor.esp [Version 1.0]

15 StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp

16 StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp

17 StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp

18 Dwemer Certified.esp [Version 1.22]

19 GiveGiftstoNPCs-voiced.esp

1A Immersive Patrols Merged.esp

1B immersivesnowice.esp

1C MF_RadiantProstitution.esp

1D WetandCold.esp

1E Character Creation Overhaul.esp

1F kuerteeAutoSaveAndTime.esp

20 RaceMenu.esp

21 SkyUI.esp

22 Crossbows_Basic_Collection_EN_LL.esp

23 hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

24 Immersive Weapons.esp

25 Magicka Sabers.esp

26 stormcloakrobes.esp

27 IA6npc01.esp

28 Requiem.esp

29 Dwemer Certified Requiem Patch Essential.esp

2A AOS_Requiem Patch.esp

2B Skyrim Winter Overhaul.esp

2C DeadlyDragons.esp

2D ERSO 09.2 - Radiance.esp

++ ERSO 13 - MD - ABLP 50 Hardcore.esp

++ ERSO 26 - Realistic Fall Damages.esp

2E AdalMatar.esp

2F Aethernautics.esp

30 Bards&Merchants.esp

31 Destroy the Thieves Guild.esp

32 DragonmournInn.esp

33 Run For Your Lives.esp [Version 1.2.2]

34 When Vampires Attack.esp [Version 1.0.2]

35 SkyHavenTempleEnhanced.esp

36 TheDomain.esp

37 TheFrontier.esp

38 Tundra Defense.esp

39 Civil War Overhaul.esp

3A AOS_CWO Patch.esp

3B FalskaarDawnguard.esp

3C FireAndIceOverhaul.esp

3D AOS_FIO Patch.esp

3E Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

3F Schlongs of Skyrim.esp

40 SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp

41 SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp

42 SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp

++ SOS - Dawnguard Armors.esp

++ SOS - Dragonborn Armors.esp

43 SexLab Solutions.esp

44 SexLab Submit.esp

45 Helgen Reborn.esp [Version 105]

46 Predator Vision.esp

47 SmartCast_1_0.esp [Version 1.0]

48 DeadlySpellImpacts.esp

49 DeadlySpellImpacts - Two Fire.esp

4A AOS_DSI Patch.esp

4B ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp

4C Enchanting Freedom.esp

4D DragonCombatOverhaulDragonborn.esp

4E AOS_DCOd Patch.esp

4F CCO - Dynamic Skill Progression.esp

50 dagi_raht_race.esp

51 DagiRahtRequiemCompatible.esp

52 3DNPC.esp

53 HothFollower.esp

54 Inigo.esp

55 Civil War Followers.esp

56 SMSkyrim.esp [Version 3.2]

57 SMSkyrim - PrettyFace.esp [Version 1.0]

58 SMSkyrim - Dragonborn.esp [Version 1.1]

59 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp

5A Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp [Version 2.3.3b]

5B PCEA - 0 - DG and DB DLC - All Races_Requiem.esp

5C Bashed Patch, 0.esp

5D EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

5E ELFX - Exteriors.esp

5F ELFXEnhancer.esp

60 SkyrimURWL.esp

61 ASIS-Dependency.esp

62 ASIS.esp

Bain Packages:

000 - ==Lowest==

++ 001 - Unofficial Skyrim Patch-19-2-0-0a.7z (0C6FBE65) (Installed)

++ 002 - Unofficial Hearthfire Patch-25127-1-1-2.7z (CCF0A13C) (Installed)

++ 003 - Unofficial Dawnguard Patch-23491-2-0-0.7z (ED4487C7) (Installed)

++ 004 - Unofficial Dragonborn Patch-31083-2-0-0.7z (90DAA54D) (Installed)

++ 005 - SMIM v1-57-8655-1-57.7z (7A6B1AFB) (Installed)

006 - ==Non-ESP==

++ 007 - DCF_plugin-36125-1-2.zip (39A56657) (Installed)

++ 008 - Skyrim HD v1_5 LITE - Dungeons-607.7z (B5CE185E) (Installed)

++ 009 - Skyrim HD v1_5 LITE - Landscape-607.7z (AFEB618D) (Installed)

++ 010 - Skyrim HD v1_5 LITE - Misc-607.7z (E74ABA44) (Installed)

++ 011 - Skyrim HD v1_5 LITE - Towns-607.7z (33EC8BC6) (Installed)

++ 012 - Faces - YoungerFacesMergedWithMenByGeonox-2488.rar (2B36FAED) (Installed)

++ 013 - Nudes - FavoredSoulMeshes - ErectVersion-2488-2-3-2.rar (00FABF80) (Installed)

++ 014 - JazzJRCoverKhajiitBodytextureVer1-6192-1-0.rar (2707AAC9) (Installed)

++ 015 - coverwomen look_4-3563-2-0.rar (3B7FDE74) (Installed)

++ 016 - SkyUI_4_1-3863-4-1.7z (3C381685) (Installed)

++ 017 - coverkhajiits female version-5941-1-0.rar (8E9A2FD3) (Installed)

++ 018 - JazzJRCoverKhajiitFemaleBodytexture-7329-1-0.rar (64EC143E) (Installed)

++ 019 - Fuz Ro Doh 60-14884-6-0.zip (E5C7ACC9) (Installed)

++ 020 - Skyrim -Community- Uncapper v1_15_1_1-1175-1-15-1-1.rar (BA0F562D) (Installed)

++ 021 - Uncapper settings (68D710B7) (Installed)

++ 022 - RANs type-B Headmesh-7127-1-2.7z (8DC3E84D) (Installed)

++ 023 - EZ2C DIALOGUE MENU - FULLY CONFIGURABLE --18466-v3-1.rar (362AAAB5) (Installed)

++ 024 - Better MessageBox Controls v1_2-28170-1-2.zip (A52D4AF0) (Installed)

++ 025 - JazzJRCoverKhajiitBodyNoUnderwear-6192-1-0.rar (D6AEF64B) (Installed)

++ 026 - A Quality World Map Installer-4929.7z (FDF06CBA) (Installed)

++ 027 - HQ3DMap - Meshes Hi-Res-4817-2-0.7z (2831E96D) (Installed)

++ 028 - Designs of The Nords Banners-13429-1-5.zip (865B3FA9) (Installed)

++ 029 - jeclxohko -Jeclredured Enchanter Workbench Table II-34444-.7z (CAE85881) (Installed)

++ 030 - Morrowind Like Soul Gems-30348-1-0.7z (9E353B00) (Installed)

++ 031 - Gladius - replaces imperial sword-6085-.rar (3AB82C2E) (Installed)

++ 032 - Imperial Shield - RED Shield Version-6085-.rar (6A061F3B) (Installed)

++ 033 - Perfect Legionnaire 4-0 - Proper Gloves and Gauntlets FIXED-6085-.rar (7F8006E4) (Installed)

++ 034 - Perfect Legionnaire 4-0-6085-4-0.rar (535665D6) (Installed)

++ 035 - All-in-one NMM installer and BAIN Package - UPDATED-36510-2-01.7z (723B292B) (Installed)

++ 036 - Animated Dwemer Lift Load Doors-34399-1-0.zip (04C1D8D5) (Installed)

++ 037 - Animated Dwemer Lift Load Doors for Dragonborn DLC-34399-1-1.zip (D883DF21) (Installed)

++ 038 - SafetyLoad 1_2-46465-1-2.zip (77010EE0) (Installed)

++ 039 - ShowRaceMenu PreCacheKiller 1_3-33526-1-3.7z (A4D1524D) (Installed)

++ 040 - NobeBed02CollisionFix_v11.zip (3776E63D) (Installed)

++ 041 - Dramatic Clouds Ultra-4910-1-3.rar (19240153) (Installed)

++ 042 - Lush Trees and Grass 1_86-3288-1-86.7z (4AFD4379) (Installed)

++ 043 - Tamriel Reloaded without ENB-46925-1-0.rar (98CD8054) (Installed)

044 - ==Cosmetics==

++ 045 - RaceMenu v2-1-5-29624-2-1-5.7z (5567DA63) (Installed)

++ 046 - ApachiiSkyHair_v_1_5_Full-10168-1-5-Full.7z (3A7DC9BD) (Installed)

047 - ==Overhaul==

++ 048 - Requiem - requires Dawnguard - SKSE - SkyUI MCM-19281-1-7.7z (1608FF1F) (Installed)

++ 049 - Requiem - Mass Effect - now supporting Vilja and others-19281-1-7-3.7z (3EAF4A31) (Installed)

++ 050 - Character Creation Overhaul 1_3_2-21587-1-3-2.zip (BBD8DE7F) (Installed)

++ 051 - ERSO _ Erkeil Real Skyrim Overhaul _ BAIN Installer_by Artorius-26217-14-7.7z (02E3DCEF) (Installed)

052 - ==Clothing Armor and Weapons==

++ 053 - IA v6 BETA 2-19733-6-BETA-2.7z (3BA92CB5) (Installed)

++ 054 - Immersive Weapons-27644-1-5.7z (ACAF9B62) (Installed)

++ 055 - IAV6 for NPCs-27679-0-2.7z (C4E7C63D) (Installed)

++ 056 - Magicka_Sabers_0_3-3174-0-3.7z (69523594) (Installed)

++ 057 - Crossbow Basic Collection 1_1_2 EN LL-23876-1-1-2.rar (62444B90) (Installed)

++ 058 - Stormcloak Robes 1_1-27378-1-1.7z (CB317A56) (Installed)

059 - ==Places==

++ 060 - Immersive Snow and Ice - Mountain and Rock Edition-45435-0-3.rar (91FD7D19) (Installed)

++ 061 - Wet and Cold v1_31-27563-1-31.7z (CA07DC74) (Installed)

++ 062 - Winter Edition v1-0-0-46628-1-0-0.7z (E3749AD6) (Installed)

++ 063 - Winter Edition UPDATE v1-1-0-46628-1-1-0.7z (86F0852E) (Installed)

064 - ==Races==

++ 065 - Dagi-Khajiit Race 2.1.6 fomod.7z (DE91D91D) (Installed)

++ 066 - Predator Vision v 1_3-22274-1-3.rar (986651E1) (Installed)

++ 067 - RaceCompatibility All-in-One NMM installer-24168-1-72.7z (633F8476) (Installed)

068 - ==Misc==

++ 069 - kuASAT merged with MCM 0p704-13239-0-704.zip (0E65B50E) (Installed)

++ 070 - Intro Main menu wallpaper and music replacer for Requiem fans-41049-1-0.rar (5EBB2AEA) (Installed)

++ 071 - Fire and Ice Overhaul-43241-2-2.7z (5961B35A) (Installed)

072 - ==Crafting==

073 - ==NPCs==

++ 074 - Guard Dialogue Overhaul-23390-1-301.7z (9312F5D1) (Installed)

++ 075 - 3DNPC v3_03-8429-3-03.7z (DB1A52F6) (Installed)

++ 076 - Hearthfires Compatibility Patch v3_02-8429-3-02.zip (106ACD04) (Installed)

++ 077 - Give Gifts to NPCs - Voiced Version 2-0-37495-2-0.zip (CE9E3B7A) (Installed)

078 - ==Followers==

++ 079 - Hoth-24666-2.7z (8C905E65) (Installed)

++ 080 - INIGO V1_1-40960-1-1.rar (61456FE9) (Installed)

++ 081 - AmazingFollowerTweaks_1_66-15524-1-66.7z (F5F253DE) (Installed)

++ 082 - Civil War Followers-41894-0-9b.7z (EA33414B) (Installed)

++ 083 - Dwemer Certified-10442-1-22.zip (97D4441A) (Installed)

084 - ==Econmics==

085 - ==Magic and Shouts==

++ 086 - Forgotten Magic Redone v1-5-1-35339-1-5-1.7z (7140B396) (Installed)

++ 087 - Enchanting Freedom-8065-1-3.rar (C1ED186F) (Installed)

++ 088 - Smart Cast-43123-1-0.7z (F7E242E1) (Installed)

089 - ==Werewolves And Vampires==

++ 090 - Deadly Dragons package v6-3-5-3829-6-3-5.7z (3A68836F) (Installed)

091 - ==Gameplay==

++ 092 - Levelers Tower V35 Resources-14152-3-5.7z (F8405FE1) (Installed)

++ 093 - Levelers Tower v35a ESM-14152-3-5a.7z (88479E04) (Installed)

094 - ==Quest==

++ 095 - Destroy the Thieves Guild BSA version-28880-1-2-4.rar (B26C169A) (Installed)

++ 096 - Aethernautics- A Space Travel Mod-41754-1-2.rar (C5598C86) (Installed)

++ 097 - Civil War Overhaul-37216-2.7z (B08F34C9) (Installed)

++ 098 - V105a-35841-105a.7z (4E4AB658) (Installed)

++ 099 - Maids II - Deception_Packaged_Fixed-16021-3-2.7z (5C576B1F) (Installed)

++ 100 - The Frontier to Cyrodiil-33164-1-1.7z (546869D7) (Installed)

++ 101 - Tundra Defense v3-06-22330-3-06.zip (FF08D3D6) (Installed)

++ 102 - Recruit More Blades - SkyHavenTempleEnhanced - 8Aug2013-11750-8Aug2013.zip (2185696D) (Installed)

++ 103 - The Aldmeri Domain-33261-1-1.7z (6A3109C1) (Installed)

++ 104 - SOUTH DRAGON BRIDGE - Fight Against the Thalmor IV -33323-1-1.7z (B1446EBD) (Installed)

++ 105 - Adal Matar-33108-1-1.7z (DCA796E1) (Installed)

++ 106 - Falskaar V1_0_0-37994-1-0-0.7z (90147E33) (Installed)

++ 107 - Falskaar - Dawnguard Compatability Plugin V1_0_0-37994-1-0-0.7z (8A9D852F) (Installed)

++ 108 - Alternate Start - Live Another Life-9557-2-3-3b.7z (8E6C87D3) (Installed)

++ 109 - Cutting Room Floor-47327-1-0.7z (A3B13C87) (Installed)

110 - ==Realism==

++ 111 - Run For Your Lives-23906-1-2-2.7z (12D10F2A) (Installed)

++ 112 - When Vampires Attack-28235-1-0-2.7z (66B15310) (Installed)

++ 113 - Become a Bard 4_0_5-31680-4-0-5.7z (2BABDFB8) (Installed)

114 - ==Combat==

++ 115 - Dragon Combat Overhaul - Dragonborn-32597-9.7z (0C9CCDD3) (Installed)

116 - ==Lighting==

++ 117 - URWL Skyrim V2B-13531.rar (B5F6BC20) (Installed)

++ 118 - Enhanced Lights and FX-27043-0-4-1.7z (6D336B18) (Installed)

++ 119 - SMIM Meshes-27043-0-4-1.7z (49B38F54) (Installed)

++ 120 - DSI High v1_6_1-2947-1-6-1.7z (9FFE007A) (Installed)

121 - ==sound==

++ 122 - Fantasy Soundtrack Project v1-0-0-46518-.7z (6672A18E) (Installed)

++ 123 - Improved Combat Sounds V2 2-5289-2-2.zip (DF7E84EB) (Installed)

++ 124 - Main File --fixed the Normal Crossbow sound---31274-.rar (24A5031A) (Installed)

++ 125 - AOS_1_51-43773-1-51.rar (4F817DD4) (Installed)

++ 126 - Immersive Sounds - Magic-40190-1-0.zip (C35AD5F7) (Installed)

++ 127 - Civil War Overhaul - Patch-44541-1-51-0.7z (99933CF7) (Installed)

++ 128 - Complete - Legendary Version - Dawnguard AND Dragonborn-44541-1-51-1.7z (C8575263) (Installed)

++ 129 - Deadly Spell Impacts - Patch-44541-1-51-0.7z (1F2CBDF3) (Installed)

++ 130 - Dragon Combat Overhaul - Patches-44541-1-51-0.7z (8D056F47) (Installed)

++ 131 - Fire and Ice Overhaul - Patch-44541-1-51-0.7z (B85E1349) (Installed)

++ 132 - Requiem - Patch-44541-1-51-0.7z (3D05CCF6) (Installed)

133 - ==Last==

134 - ==Patches and Overrides==

++ 135 - More Firewood per Chop-11119-2-0.7z (7E3197AC) (Installed)

++ 136 - 9x more ore and 3x more swings-3096.zip (0067FABE) (Installed)

137 - ==Sexytime==

++ 138 - SexLabFramework.v124.7z (02C23334) (Installed)

++ 139 - MF_RadiantProstitution_v081b.7z (065D88D9) (Installed)

++ 140 - SexLab Solutions 021.7z (B849C56C) (Installed)

++ 141 - SexLab Submit 09NOV13 1905.7z (3791A487) (Installed)

++ 142 - SexLab_Aroused_v20131001.zip (EF11BA5A) (Installed)

143 - ==Tools==

++ 144 - ASIS Patcher 1-34-3-18436-1-34-3.7z (A0785A42) (Installed)

145 - ==Body==

++ 146 - Pretty Face-7887-1-7.7z (E389FD06) (Installed)

++ 147 - Pretty Face Pack UNP Neck Patch-7887-1-7.7z (41719089) (Installed)

++ 148 - UNP Armors version 2_1-7305-2-1.7z (ECFE6FF2) (Installed)

++ 149 - UNP Support for Immersive Armors v6-19733-6.7z (87D79F38) (Installed)

++ 150 - Flatter Normalmap UNP-7887-1-7.7z (EFE1C358) (Installed)

++ 151 - Meshes for UNPB users-7305-2-0.7z (BC85C4B6) (Installed)

++ 152 - Tavern Clothes Replacers UNPB - BBPx-20227-2-01.7z (A43575C1) (Installed)

++ 153 - Dawnguard Meshes for Vampire NPCs-8429-.7z (78B4CF85) (Installed)

++ 154 - SOS - Schlongs of Skyrim-35463-v2-03-010b.zip (9FCD8CB3) (Installed)

++ 155 - SOS - DLC armors-35463-v2-03-010b.rar (7BB3F7ED) (Installed)

156 - ==Crap==

++ 157 - FNIS Behavior V4_0_2 -- ALWAYS necessary-11811-4-0-2.7z (B55D470F) (Installed)

++ 158 - FNIS Creature Pack 4_0_4-11811-4-0-4.7z (C130E93D) (Installed)

++ 159 - PCEA 3-5-2 NMM Installer-14871-3-5-2.7z (E075DD3C) (Installed)

++ 160 - Enhanced Animation 0-4-45970-0-4.7z (52312E27) (Installed)

++ 161 - Enhanced Animation ALL (PCEA).7z (7DB381E3) (Installed)

++ 162 - Original-47086-1-1.7z (1D3D5505) (Installed)

++ 163 - Dual Wield Blocking Animations-14915-1-0.zip (5C1E520F) (Installed)

++ 164 - Faster GET UP STAND UP from back WIP-17491-1-0.rar (6E7E35A5) (Installed)

++ 165 - KISS - Khajiit Cat Sprint and Sneak-22604-v1-4.7z (4608F54A) (Installed)

++ 166 - Pack Evanoblivion Animations-9421-1-0.rar (7ED21B63) (Installed)

++ 167 - YYAnimReplacerMysticKnight_v1_0_0-33914-1-0-0.7z (2F6A0532) (Installed)

++ 168 - New Animation for magic cast v0-8-28428-0-8.7z (17C9DFA3) (Installed)

++ 169 - UNPB Body NMM BAIN Installer v2-5-2 FIX-37900-2-5-2.7z (E3F4566A) (Installed)

++ 170 - XPMS 1-7b NMM-BAIN Installer-26800-1-7b.7z (E91EC40E) (Installed)

++ 171 - pose 3 final - should sit on chair now-15674-1.rar (2A981060) (Installed)

++ 172 - VHH walk v1-3b LX - NMM installer-13272-1-3b.7z (3DABA473) (Installed)

++ 173 - XPMSplusSOSplusSMS BQLH 1HB DOBH -36923-2-0.rar (EDC41178) (Installed)

And finally my computer specs:

- CPU: AMD FX 4170 4.20GHZ

- RAM: 8.00GB

- GTX 560 2GB (2x SLI)

- 700 W PSU

- Windows 7 64 bit

Sometimes I get a very weird graphical glitch when I go into menus (which incidently is often when I crash, but it crashes a lot outside of menus too). A weird collection of triangles will appear and rapidly change color and grow/shrink/radiate/etc.

TESV 2013-11-19 12-32-48-21.png

I'm sick of this. I'm sick of having to cut down my mods to a very very very sparse game in some vain hope that I can get some stability while I see others with load lists twice as big play stablely. And it's only Skyrim that gives me this sort of trouble. Fallout NV never does it.

Read this:

ISSUES AND BUG FIXES

//++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

0) First of all, almost all problems happen because of things you did to your game

or OS, various fake memory tweakers, boosters are at first place. Antiviruses, bad drivers,

overlay monitoring, capturing, overclocking, etc etc etc prevent normal functionality.

Also if you configured game incorrectly by modifying skyrimprefs.ini, it's also lead you to

nowhere. This prooved many times, not just by one user, you all do the same mistakes.

1) If you have crashes at startup, run as admin and make sure no other

software hooking in to game process, for example some antiviruses, screen capturing tools, videocard monitoring or overclocking. Afterburner, D3D Overrider, EVGA, ATI Tray Tools,

DXTory, Fraps, XFire - some versions of these software incompatible with

wrapper version of ENBSeries, so use injector version or disable those utils.

Also Skyrim Performance Monitor may produce this behavior, try without it or

set in it's options D3D9 mods compatibility.

2) Lower performance when borderless window mode turned on together with vsync,

to fix disable any of them.

3) If stuttering bother too much, edit enblocal.ini file vriables ExpandSystemMemoryX64, ReduceSystemMemoryUsage(especially this one), DisableDriverMemoryManager.

4) ALT-TAB not work in fullscreen mode when EnableUnsafeMemoryHacks=true

5) Game by default forcing vsync to be on, in enblocal.ini parameter exist which

toggle it, so modify if you have issues with screen tearing.

6) Infinite loading happen when frame rate is too high, use fps limiter or vsync

vua EnableFPSLimiter=true or EnableVSync=true in enblocal.ini.

7) (obsolette issue for latest version) Creation Kit (CK) is not work properly, delete d3d9.dll (or don't run injector

version if it used instead of wrapper) or use another enblocal.ini which don't have

memory fixes enabled. Future versions may work, not sure yet.

8) Pixelated screen means that you have borderless window enabled in enblocal.ini. This is good feature for those users who know what to do with it.

9) Strange behavior of game physics, flying objects - you have too much high fps, turn on VSync or FPSLimiter in enblocal.ini, this is game bug.

10) ALT-TAB not work, amount crashes not reduced, stuttering and textures are

missing. This probably because enbhost.exe process not started by the mod because of

admin rights issues. This problem not occur when ReduceSystemMemoryUsage=false set.

11) Red text message appear in the left top corner. So, why the hell everybody say

it's error message? If you don't see "error" word in it, then it's not an error, but important

notice or warning.

12) Graphic effects do not work after installing this. To turn on ENBSeries as graphic

mod (ENBoost use only patch of it), set parameter UsePatchSpeedhackWithoutGraphics=false

in enblocal.ini.

13) Stuttering with newest versions or low performance at some locations means

that your VRAM is full, press F4 key to free it (can be assigned to another key via KeyFreeVRAM

in enblocal.ini file). Also you may change ReservedMemorySizeMb to fix stuttering. Later i'll

do tweaks against this issue.

14) Process enbhost.exe not working, so memory reduction is not effective as with it, if hdtPhysicsExtensions mod installed.

*rylasasin* · November 21, 2013

Sure, I uninstall everything, and attempt to reinstall my mods...

... and now wrye bash doesn't want to fucking work. even after uninstalling it and reinstalling it 20 fucking times, deleting my skyrim.ini and skyrimprefs.ini and starting the game to rebuild them.

Fuck this. Fuck this fucking game to fucking hell. Fuck beth for making this rushed shitty excuse for a game. And fuck me for not being smart enough to even get anything right like everyone else. I'm fucking sick of seeing everyone able to run 200 plus mods stability but having me crash with less than 50 no matter what I remove or dont remove.

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Constant crashing, and I'm getting sick of it.

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