LibertyPrime Posted September 25, 2013 Posted September 25, 2013 After over a month of setting up my first Oblivion install, I managed to make everything work. Mostly due to people in this website helping. So thanks for that. You guys are great. However, after playing over 30h+ hours of it, I've started to notice some problems. Some a minor and few other major. I was hoping you guys could help me yet again to identify and hopefully solve these. I'm going to list ALL the problems I'm currently having just for the sake of the fact that they might be related. Before anything, here is my load order. I'm using the latest versions of every mod required to run LPK (i.e. OBSE, Pluggy, etc). Active Mod Files: ** Oblivion.esm 00 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.33] 01 Lovers with PK.esm 02 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm 03 x117race.esm 04 TamagoClub.esm 05 HiyokoClub.esm 06 LoversCreature.esm ** Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.33] ++ OOO-Level_Stock.esp [Version 1.33] 07 CB Stylish Outfit.esp 08 HGEC SB Clothing.esp 09 SaiyanRanger.esp 0A Underworld Armor.esp 0B Denock Arrows.esp 0C AdenseEpicDungeon.esp 0D SunderedKeep.esp 0E MONSTERGIRL-CoC.esp 0F KT_CustomRaceFix.esp 10 Knights.esp 11 DLCShiveringIsles.esp 12 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp 13 DLCHorseArmor.esp 14 DLCFrostcrag.esp 15 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp 16 DLCSpellTomes.esp 17 DLCVileLair.esp 18 DLCOrrery.esp 19 DLCThievesDen.esp 1A BudongsNarcolepsySpell.esp 1B Basic Primary Needs.esp [Version 6.2.1] 1C HUD Status Bars.esp [Version 5.3.2] 1D MadCompanionshipSpells.esp [Version 2.5] 1E MCS extension.esp 1F MidasSpells.esp ** Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil.esp ** Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil + SI.esp ** Let There Be Darkness - Knights.esp ** Let There Be Darkness - Mehrunes Razor.esp 20 BitchTattoo.esp 21 TamagoBreak.esp 22 TamagoNews.esp 23 TamagoShop.esp 24 TamagoTopic.esp 25 TamagoConfide.esp 26 LoversTamagoClub.esp 27 TamagoBadEnd.esp 28 LoversEncounter.esp 29 HiyokoGenerator.esp 2A TamagoSetBody.esp 2B TamagoDischarge.esp 2C HiyokoGeneratorCreature.esp 2D BreakArmor.esp [Version 1.10.f] 2E LoversAphrodisia.esp 2F LoversAphrodisiaHUD.esp 30 LoversHooker.esp [Version 2.2] 31 LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp 32 LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp 33 LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP_HookerPatch.esp 34 LoversRaperS.esp 35 LoversJoburg.esp 36 LoversBed.esp 37 LoversPayBandit.esp 38 Lovers with PK.esp [Version 96] 39 LoversBitch.esp 3A LoversCreature.esp 3B LoversStripper.esp 3C LoversSoundCreature.esp [Version 0.1.0] ** LoversCreature_SexualOrgans.esp ** LoversCreature_SexualOrgans_Dogs.esp 3D LoversSlaveTrader.esp 3E LSTBravilUnderground.esp 3F PlayerSlaveEncounters_V0.69.esp ++ Specialanims.esp 40 LoversImmoralGuards.esp 41 LoversImmoralSisters.esp 42 LoversChorus.esp 43 LoversOrgy.esp 44 LoversTrueCrimeEx.esp 45 SetBody.esp 46 AutoSetBody.esp 47 Real_Mannequin.esp ++ MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.esp ** Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.esp ++ x117 Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed CustomRace.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Cute Elves.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Nec Mystic High Elf Remake.esp 48 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp 49 zzEstrus.esp 4A FuroGeneratorTrap.esp 4B Bashed Patch, 0.esp 4C LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp 4D LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp 4E LoversMB2.esp 4F From2ch Lives.esp 50 From2ch Lives Boss.esp 51 F2L_FaceChange.esp 52 F2LHideRaces.esp 53 117NPCs.esp 54 F2LAddon_MSElves.esp 55 LSTaddonInH.esp 56 RMDailyIncomeV2.esp 57 Zodiac Companions.esp 58 Woman's Move - Animation Replacer.esp 59 Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp 5A Merged Patch.esp Now, to my issues. The first thing that's really bothering me is that some female vanilla NPC bodies have turned purple (I've done some research and apparently it's because I'm missing textures). NPCs from F2chL and from the Monster Girl mods are completely fine. I have not noticed a pattern (i.e., it's only to a single race), but so far it seems that only females from the Dunmer race suffer from it (the pirate First Mate Malvulis, Adosi Serethi and Diram Serethi (the two Dunmer females from Aleswell). tl;dr females from the Dunmer race have missing textures on their bodies (I'm not sure if it's only Dunmer) My second issue which is also bothering me a lot is that a few guards from all towns randomly die. That's it. They die outta nowhere. I've noticed it the first time when I walked into a major city (forgot which it was) and a guard was just lying on the ground, dead. I thought it was part of a quest so I ignored it. So I went on with my business, left the city and went back to the Imperial City. Then when I go do some quests, an elite guard also dies right in front of me. They don't go hostile, they're not poisoned, nothing. They just die (and no one seems to care, not even other guards). I did some further investigating and it seems that resurrecting them with the console makes them come back alive but only for a short period of time. I looked at one of them and his health was rapidly being 'drained'. It also seems to be COMPLETELY random; on the same location there were two guards side-by-side and only one of them died. tl;dr some guards randomly die, only happens to guards, they don't go hostile when dying, their health slowly drain if I resurrect them and they die shortly after; resurrecting them does work but they die shortly after My third issue is related with LPK, but I'm not sure if it should be posted here. I'm going to anyway because I don't think it deserves it's own threads My issues are with females. Two problems: they never engage with female-on-female animations when having sex, but rather simply use male animations (and text as well, i.e. "don't cum inside me"). Also, sometimes they don't use fake penises as well. Just dry humping. It's also random. I've already checked the settings and it's set to something like 'females always use penises'. My fourth and final issue (for now) is the CTDing. I started playing Oblivion and I was pleasantly surprised of how often it would CTD. I played for over 6 hours in a row once and not a single CTD, even after entering a very small building with over 20 NPCs in it and using the "Start Orgy" spell just for the giggles that come with one of the LPK plugins (or maybe it's a single plugin, but anyway), it would not crash. Exploring dungeons, entering combat, switching custom clothes rapidly; nothing seemed to CTD my game. However, as I progress, the game has become more and more unstable. It went very fast from being super stable to Skyrim-after-uninstalling-scriptheavy-mods unstable. So, pretty unstable. First it started crashing every time I tried to explore the wilds (or anywhere open). I even reduced AA because I thought that would reduce the strain on my PC. It did nothing. So I just figured that I would fast-travel when having to travel between cities/camps/etc. Now, 80h in, it does not matter. I boot up the game and 30 seconds later it crashes. Or I can go 2 hours without it crashing (though that's very unlikely). It's completely inconsistent. So I suspect one of my mods is causing it, rather than a corrupt save or anything like that. I've already checked the size of my save files, they're the same as when I started playing (around 2,5 MB each). The only thing that I really did that could be causing the CTDing is that I've remade my Bashed Patch/Merged Patch several times DURING a playthrough; HOWEVER - I did not REMOVE any mod, but rather just added a few more. I don't think the last mods I added are to blame - the last six mods which I added were simply clothing ones (the four mods right after OOO-Level-Stock) and two dungeons - AdenseEpicDungeon And SunderedKeep - both of which I did not even do yet. Sorry if the post ended up being too long, I was hoping that being detailed helped.
Nightwynd Posted September 25, 2013 Posted September 25, 2013 Your load order is terrible! LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp and LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp MUST always be at the end of your loading order and never under the bashed patch. Also you have a lot of conflicting esp files. I'd suggest checking the load order thread and see if there are any changes. http://www.loverslab.com/topic/4487-please-read-before-posting-here/ The bashed patch shouldn't cause any problems no matter how many times you build it. There is indeed some mod causing these CTDs. The only real way to find out is to disable half your mods and see if anything changes. If nothing changed then unchecked the other half. Keep halving the mods until you find out which one is causing the CTDs. Also, try moving all the .kf files from your _male folder into a backup folder. Sometimes the games CTDs when NPCs use certain animations in your same cell area, even if you cannot see them. Silver Ranger is a particular example of this.
fejeena Posted September 25, 2013 Posted September 25, 2013 LOAD ORDER LOAD ORDER LOAD ORDER ! ! ! even the DLC are not in correct order. DLCShiveringIsles.espDLCHorseArmor.espDLCOrrery.espDLCVileLair.espDLCMehrunesRazor.espDLCSpellTomes.espDLCThievesDen.espDLCBattlehornCastle.espDLCFrostcrag.espKnights.esp How often do we have to say it. LOAD ORDER Run BOSS, sort the Mods BOSS did not sort manually (clothes Mods to sorted clothes Mods, Quest Mods to sorted quest Mods, .....) Then sort your Lovers Mods example load order here in the Spoiler http://www.loverslab.com/topic/4487-please-read-before-posting-here/ Nothing under LoversMB2.espLoversIdleAnimsPriority.espLoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp ----------------------------------------------------- Female-female sex, the active part use male animations, there are no special female female Animation. Female no penis: Set Body ! you must use Lovers Settings "remove unplayable clothes/armor" or the set Body bodies are not removed. Missing Dunmer texture. Why not install a texture? data\textures\Characters\darkelf\female (or male). Female HGEC textures: footfemale.dds and handfemale.dds. Male Roberts textures:footmale.dds. (and the _n.dds). No Textures = purple bodies.
LibertyPrime Posted September 27, 2013 Author Posted September 27, 2013 *snip* That was a mistake. I remade my Bashed Patch but forgot to rearrange my load order. Oops. I did not know LoversIdleAnimsPriority and LoversAnimObjectsPriority had to be below all your plugins, but rather only below all your LPK plugins. AFAIK it's not stated in the main installation guide/tech support load order thread. Also, what would those conflicting ESPs be? As far as I know, I don't have any plugin that changes the same thing, and I even made a merged patch to ensure maximum compability. I also ran TES4Edit before starting my game to be 100% no masters were missing or if my load order was conflicting. I'll keep your suggestion in mind in case nothing else works, as it does not seem to be the cause of my problem, simply because it crashes at any given location (sewers, houses, caves, anywhere outside - when no one is nearby included). *snip* I had no idea the load order for the DLCs mattered, as they don't interact with eachother. I forgot to mention I'm new to modding Oblivion. Already rearranged them. About BOSS: I ran it. The reason why I didn't run it in the first place is because I made the mistake of letting my load order to be taken care of AFTER I installed LPK, and I read somewhere here (by someone who makes content for LPK, not some random user) that using BOSS for LPK is terrible because it throws stuff all over the place. Apparently BOSS has supports LPK now, though; as running it placed LPK plugins in an optimal order, apparently. Nonetheless, I moved the plugins around a bit more to suit my load order. About my issues with females: both solved. Female-female sex positions wasn't an issue to begin with, and female not equipping penises was solved after messing around the load order. Missing Dunmer Texture: I didn't make myself clear enough and I apologize. What I meant is that textures started 'missing' DURING a playthrough when I didn't install/uninstall anything or moved any files. So I figured that even if I reinstalled a custom texture for Dunmers the problem would persist as it might be related to a bad load order or conflicting files. Here is my new load order, before I go play the game to test if it's still CTDing: Active Mod Files: ** Oblivion.esm 00 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm 01 x117race.esm 02 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.33] 03 Lovers with PK.esm 04 TamagoClub.esm 05 HiyokoClub.esm 06 LoversCreature.esm ** Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.33] 07 MONSTERGIRL-CoC.esp 08 SaiyanRanger.esp 09 Underworld Armor.esp 0A CB Stylish Outfit.esp 0B HGEC SB Clothing.esp 0C DLCShiveringIsles.esp 0D Real_Mannequin.esp 0E DLCHorseArmor.esp 0F DLCOrrery.esp 10 DLCVileLair.esp 11 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp 12 DLCSpellTomes.esp 13 DLCThievesDen.esp 14 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp 15 DLCFrostcrag.esp 16 Knights.esp ++ MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp 17 AdenseEpicDungeon.esp 18 SunderedKeep.esp 19 Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp 1A HUD Status Bars.esp [Version 5.3.2] 1B RMDailyIncomeV2.esp 1C TamagoBadEnd.esp 1D TamagoBreak.esp 1E TamagoNews.esp 1F TamagoShop.esp 20 TamagoTopic.esp 21 TamagoConfide.esp 22 LoversTamagoClub.esp 23 LoversEncounter.esp 24 HiyokoGenerator.esp 25 HiyokoGeneratorCreature.esp 26 TamagoSetBody.esp 27 LoversSoundCreature.esp [Version 0.1.0] 28 LoversAphrodisia.esp 29 LoversAphrodisiaHUD.esp 2A LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp 2B LoversHooker.esp [Version 2.2] 2C LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP_HookerPatch.esp 2D LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp 2E LoversRaperS.esp 2F LoversJoburg.esp 30 LoversBed.esp 31 LoversPayBandit.esp 32 Lovers with PK.esp [Version 96] 33 LoversBitch.esp 34 LoversCreature.esp ** LoversCreature_SexualOrgans.esp ** LoversCreature_SexualOrgans_Dogs.esp 35 LoversTrueCrimeEx.esp 36 LoversSlaveTrader.esp 37 LoversImmoralSisters.esp 38 LoversImmoralGuards.esp 39 LSTBravilUnderground.esp 3A LoversStripper.esp 3B LoversOrgy.esp 3C TamagoDischarge.esp 3D LoversChorus.esp 3E PlayerSlaveEncounters_V0.69.esp 3F Basic Primary Needs.esp [Version 6.2.1] 40 BudongsNarcolepsySpell.esp 41 MadCompanionshipSpells.esp [Version 2.5] 42 MCS extension.esp 43 SetBody.esp 44 AutoSetBody.esp 45 MidasSpells.esp 46 Denock Arrows.esp ++ OOO-Level_Stock.esp [Version 1.33] ++ Specialanims.esp 47 zzEstrus.esp 48 Woman's Move - Animation Replacer.esp ** Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil.esp ** Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil + SI.esp ** Let There Be Darkness - Knights.esp ** Let There Be Darkness - Mehrunes Razor.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.esp ** Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.esp ++ x117 Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed CustomRace.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Cute Elves.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Nec Mystic High Elf Remake.esp 49 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp 4A From2ch Lives.esp 4B F2L_FaceChange.esp 4C 117NPCs.esp 4D From2ch Lives Boss.esp 4E F2LHideRaces.esp 4F F2LAddon_MSElves.esp 50 KT_CustomRaceFix.esp 51 BitchTattoo.esp 52 BreakArmor.esp [Version 1.10.f] 53 FuroGeneratorTrap.esp 54 LSTaddonInH.esp 55 Zodiac Companions.esp 56 Bashed Patch, 0.esp 57 Merged Patch.esp 58 LoversMB2.esp 59 LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp 5A LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp Also... unrelated to my issues, but can a bad load order cause in-game (not "as soon as I launch my game") CTDing? Quick edit: Just to make something clear. 'Womans Move' replaces the walking/running animation for women. I asked in the "mods that conflict with LPK" thread if I would have any issues with running it along with LPK and I got answered that it would not, as LPK doesn't do anything with walking/running animations. Everything related to LPK is working.
Guest ThatOne Posted September 27, 2013 Posted September 27, 2013 Also... unrelated to my issues, but can a bad load order cause in-game (not "as soon as I launch my game") CTDing? Yes, it can.
gregathit Posted September 27, 2013 Posted September 27, 2013 Bad load orders can cause a shitload of issues, in-game crashes are just one of them.
LibertyPrime Posted October 12, 2013 Author Posted October 12, 2013 Quick update on my issues, and something else I'd like answered if possible. Missing textures: Solved by using OBMM's Archive Invalidation. Guards randomly dying: Partially solved. No idea what was causing it, but I guess tinkering around my load order fixed it. Guards stopped dying, but whenever I try to revive the ones that did, the same thing happens: their hp is slowly drained until they die. These guards are not essential to the game, so I don't really mind it. Penises on females: Solved by doing what fejeena suggested. Heavy CTDing: Partially solved. I noticed a drastic decrease in CTDing but it's still there. I guess there's no way to completely avoid them unless I play something not made by Bethesda. Thanks to all who helped. Before closing the thread, two more questions (first one is regarding LPK):How exactly are summoned creatures supposed to behave when you cast "instill lust" (which makes them start masturbating) at them? Because I did just outta curiosity on one mine and now whenever I summon that exact creature it masturbates endlessly until it's summoning time expires, even if I kill it and resummon it. Now, to my last question. Hopefully the last one because this thread is getting a bit too extensive. Is there a way to identify which mod is causing a corrupt spawnpoint (CTDing as soon as the player enters a certain building/approaches an area)? Because I have one which is preventing me to do a sidequest. If I fast travel to that area (with TMM 1), I don't CTD, which is weird; but if I'm approaching it from any direction, when I'm about to 'discover' it, my game crashes.
gregathit Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 I don't think creatures were ever set up correctly for you to use the instill lust spell on them for masturbation. It is only for NPC's. As far as I am aware, creatures don't have dedicated solo masturbation animations, so who knows what kind of error loop they get stuck in and what animation they are even playing. Bottomline, avoid using that spell on creatures. If you want to have voluntary consensual sex with creatures use the Lovers Calm plugin, not Joburg. Spawnpoints crashes are a bitch to find, no doubt about it. Pretty much you need to figure out what plugins are active in that area. Refscope (available at the Nexux) can help with this as it can tell you what plugins are active in that area. Area crashes can come from missing meshes, missing normal maps for textures, dirty edits, spawnpoints, NPC's or something that is supposed to be in their inventory and so on.
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