Sheogorath irritates me. (spoilers perhaps)

[ThatOneFurryInEveryFandom]

I don't know if writing an elder scroll would have anything to do with godhood within the lore or not, but Martin DID say that you (The PC) would write the next one after finishing the main quest. Since, from what little I know of the elder scrolls, the PC just WROTE a piece of TIME. That would be something I would place in the realm of gods, not men or mer.

[DocClox]

A bit of a tangent here, but does anyone else out there think that "Elder Scroll" is a metaphor for the game itself?

 

I mean you can apparently read a Elder Scroll several times and have aspects of them turn out differently each time, and they have the power to rewrite time and change the past.

 

Having the details of the story change sounds like what happens when we replay the game. The first time through, the Champion was an Imperial who specialised in heavy armour and claymore. The next time, he was a Breton who went on to become Archmage. The third time, she was a DMRA bimbo who defeated Merunes Dagon mainly because she fucked most of his Dremora to death.

 

And the changing the past sounds a lot like what happens when you don't like how a decision works out, so you reload a save game and try again.

 

That said, I was always a bit confused about how reading an Elder Scroll could make you go blind. It seemed to break the metaphor. Then I found this site, of course ...

[ThatOneFurryInEveryFandom]

 

That said' date=' I I was always a bit confused about how reading an Elder Scroll could make you go blind. It seemed to break the metaphor. Then I found this site, of course ...

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Kinda like how that one guy went insane from it? And they went blind from looking at them too much. If you over-use something, it burns out and dies. Same concept with organs, especially they eyes. The only difference being, that if you work and rest them properly, they get better.

[leddis3]

Decent reasoning all around. Still I've had an idea. Once the creation kit comes out I'm going to make a personal mod altering Sheogorath to look like my old character.

The voice will be kept though my character is a girl, because that will be the most ridiculous and incredibly stupid outcome possible, and therefore befitting the craziness!

 

Hey it'll amuse me for 5 minutes, and that's what's really important right?

[karagdan]

I'm not sure where all the confusion is coming from. When I talked to him it all seem pretty clear cut to me.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Sheogorath

 

And as others have stated, daedric princes are sexless and have no true physical form. They just appear in an aspect they find pleasing.

[Med111]

I'm not sure where all the confusion is coming from. When I talked to him it all seem pretty clear cut to me.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Sheogorath

 

This.

 

In dialogue' date=' he makes reference to Martin and the Oblivion Crisis, stating that Martin is the "best" Septim and that Sheogorath was "there" for all of that.[/quote']

[leddis3]

And as others have stated' date=' daedric princes are sexless and have no true physical form. They just appear in an aspect they find pleasing.

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Well that's a case of your milage may vary I suppose.

I find it hard to think that my character would ever find the form of a bearded old man "pleasing".

 

Yes, there's the idea that Sheogorath's personality overwrites your own but.. that's just depressing.

 

On the other hand I suppose the Champion could keep the old form of Sheogorath as a brand image, it is a popular one after all.

 

[DocClox]

In dialogue' date=' he makes reference to Martin and the Oblivion Crisis, stating that Martin is the "best" Septim and that Sheogorath was "there" for all of that.[/quote']

 

OK, I take it all back. That does pretty much rule out the "Sheo came back and resumed his throne" scenario

 

On the other hand I suppose the Champion could keep the old form of Sheogorath as a brand image' date=' it is a popular one after all.

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Works for me. I mean Sheo clearly remembers the events of the Oblivion Crisis, so the PC hasn't been completely submerged in the role. Perhaps he/she just uses the tradional Sheogorath appearence when it's time to impress the rubes.

 

[Old Book]

Also could be that if you're expecting Sheogorath to look like a middle aged scotsman, he looks like a middle aged scotsman. We're told a few times in the lore that Oblivion realms can look different to different people, based on their assumptions. Maybe your character once saw a few statues or icons of Sheo that looked like that, and so that's what Sheo looks like (until Sheo chooses to show her true face to your character).

[Mud]

Or... it's what WE, the players expect him to look like!

[Old Book]

Maybe you (the player, not the character) actually became Sheogorath, but as the mad god you think you're just a person in technological world who spends a lot of your time playing CRPGs.

[DocClox]

Damn, busted!

[Kain82]

This is the first TES game to show the protagonist of a previous game.

 

For example: In Morrowind they never said what race or gender the hero from Daggerfall was.

 

or

 

In Oblivion they never say what race or gender the Nerevarine was in Morrowind.

 

 

They did that because they knew it would upset players.

 

Example: For me the Nerevarine was a Telvanni wizard. If it was said that the nerevarine was an imperial in oblivion. I would be pissed.

[gregathit]

Well, I am still not satisfied that sheo is the player and not jyg under the curse again. So far I have seen some very interesting and even compelling theories but no solid proof.

[Old Book]

Well' date=' I am still not satisfied that sheo is the player and not jyg under the curse again. So far I have seen some very interesting and even compelling theories but no solid proof.

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Bethesda has no reason to give an answer, and some good reasons not to. Leave it open and players can read it as "Hey, that's my old character in Sheo form." Those that never became Sheo can read it their way. Those that want to imagine their characters were freed from the curse can read it like that. All open, all appropriate readings.

 

The Heretics held that Sheogorath was just a man, not a god, and you get plenty of hints from Sheo that he was someone else in the past, and would be someone else again in the future. The most obvious and likely reading is that he was talking about having been Jygg, and about his plans to pass the curse to you, but again you can read it other ways and may be right. That's pretty good sandbox open ended story telling. The real story can be whatever you want it to be, within the limits of what we actually see happen in game.

[gregathit]

My point exactly. I have always loved movies, games and books that left things vague for you to imagine your own ending. After all this is the point of a sandbox type game...