Load order

[PanzerMaster]

So, I'm having problems with fallout. Some mods won't work properly and break the game by causing crashes on an existing save or won't let me start a new game. AAF refuses to work properly, I can only open the home, but cannot get the selection menu to open. I could use some help getting my load order right, so the game doesn't break.

loadorder.txt

[steelpanther24]

2 hours ago, PanzerMaster said:

So, I'm having problems with fallout. Some mods won't work properly and break the game by causing crashes on an existing save or won't let me start a new game. AAF refuses to work properly, I can only open the home, but cannot get the selection menu to open. I could use some help getting my load order right, so the game doesn't break.

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Are you using Vortex or MO2?   If you are using vortex, mod order isn't as clear as it should be as you are asked to clear conflicts as they arise (it asks you which one mod affects the same asset as another mod.)   Also, if you are using vortex, I recommend using WYRE BASH.   Wyre bash is a bit difficult to use, but what you are looking for is the load out report and the loadout assister located here.  Look under Setting up Load Order. 

 

 

As for AAF, if you followed the guide here, checking all your versions for the correct version, then you may need to purge all your AAF mods then reinstall them.  It is safe to assume that if the date of your AAF install is before the last update to the guide, you should go through and check all your AAF mods again.

 

If you find your error using the above, please post back to this forum and say what you did.    Recently, I have been answering many questions about AAF, most likely because  there have been some updates to several mod packs.    

[PanzerMaster]

20 hours ago, steelpanther24 said:

Are you using Vortex or MO2?   If you are using vortex, mod order isn't as clear as it should be as you are asked to clear conflicts as they arise (it asks you which one mod affects the same asset as another mod.)   Also, if you are using vortex, I recommend using WYRE BASH.   Wyre bash is a bit difficult to use, but what you are looking for is the load out report and the loadout assister located here.  Look under Setting up Load Order. 

 

 

As for AAF, if you followed the guide here, checking all your versions for the correct version, then you may need to purge all your AAF mods then reinstall them.  It is safe to assume that if the date of your AAF install is before the last update to the guide, you should go through and check all your AAF mods again.

 

If you find your error using the above, please post back to this forum and say what you did.    Recently, I have been answering many questions about AAF, most likely because  there have been some updates to several mod packs.    

So, it's either that I have no clue what I'm doing when it comes to the load order, or that WYRE BASH is too awkward when it comes to the load order, or a combination of both of both. And the Read Me didn't really explain how to sort the load order well enough.

[steelpanther24]

3 minutes ago, PanzerMaster said:

So, it's either that I have no clue what I'm doing when it comes to the load order, or that WYRE BASH is too awkward when it comes to the load order, or a combination of both of both. And the Read Me didn't really explain how to sort the load order well enough.

ah,  well in that case you can try loot. There is some suspicion (in my mind) that LOOT will not solve your issue if you are using Vortex, but that peace of mind might be worth it.  

 

IMO (there are people who know much more than me), load order is an old way of telling FO4 what modified asset to put in the game.   So if you had a mod that turned Nuka cola into Coca Cola,  but you had a mod that made Nuka Cola into Lake Baykal Vodkha  FO4 would not know which texture to use, and would resort to "last one gets the nod".   Now, I am guessing you knew that, so you do know something of load order.     However, knowing that "last to load gets the nod" should help you find which mods are not showing up at all.  

 

Vortex looks for these conflicts and asks you to choose which one takes priority, so even if my Coca Cola mod loads last, I can still tell it to let Lake Baikal take priority wrt Nuka cola texture, eftects, etc. 

 

Did you get Wyre Bash to work at all?   If not, there is still hope and that is to use Buffout 4, but before you go and ask for help on discord, be sure to read through the entire description and use the crash log analyzer to help you determine what is going on.

 

Finally, don't be discouraged.   Many of us started modding the moment FO4 came out (I bought FO4 only after CBBE came out for FO4), so we grew our mod list slowly, and that is key to modding FO4, it takes time.   I rarely add more than 5 mods at a time to FO4 without going in and seeing that they work (I use the command line prompt often).  Eventually, over the years, you will build up to a very respectable number of mods, all working in sync with one another and it will make your game fantastic.  

 

Sorry I can't give you more help than this.   However, there are some more bits of information we would need to know what is going on.    We would need your mod organizer name, load order (that text), answers from you stated that you have gone through the AAF guide and ensured that everything is up to date.

[PanzerMaster]

On 9/12/2022 at 6:09 PM, steelpanther24 said:

ah,  well in that case you can try loot. There is some suspicion (in my mind) that LOOT will not solve your issue if you are using Vortex, but that peace of mind might be worth it.  

 

IMO (there are people who know much more than me), load order is an old way of telling FO4 what modified asset to put in the game.   So if you had a mod that turned Nuka cola into Coca Cola,  but you had a mod that made Nuka Cola into Lake Baykal Vodkha  FO4 would not know which texture to use, and would resort to "last one gets the nod".   Now, I am guessing you knew that, so you do know something of load order.     However, knowing that "last to load gets the nod" should help you find which mods are not showing up at all.  

 

Vortex looks for these conflicts and asks you to choose which one takes priority, so even if my Coca Cola mod loads last, I can still tell it to let Lake Baikal take priority wrt Nuka cola texture, eftects, etc. 

 

Did you get Wyre Bash to work at all?   If not, there is still hope and that is to use Buffout 4, but before you go and ask for help on discord, be sure to read through the entire description and use the crash log analyzer to help you determine what is going on.

 

Finally, don't be discouraged.   Many of us started modding the moment FO4 came out (I bought FO4 only after CBBE came out for FO4), so we grew our mod list slowly, and that is key to modding FO4, it takes time.   I rarely add more than 5 mods at a time to FO4 without going in and seeing that they work (I use the command line prompt often).  Eventually, over the years, you will build up to a very respectable number of mods, all working in sync with one another and it will make your game fantastic.  

 

Sorry I can't give you more help than this.   However, there are some more bits of information we would need to know what is going on.    We would need your mod organizer name, load order (that text), answers from you stated that you have gone through the AAF guide and ensured that everything is up to date.

So, good news. I got AAF to work, I figured out that it was UAP causing the problem. But I'm still having crash problems. Usually, it's after a minute or two. I don't know if you can help or not, but here's the most recent log just in case.

crash-2022-09-14-21-56-47.log

[EgoBallistic]

1 hour ago, PanzerMaster said:

So, good news. I got AAF to work, I figured out that it was UAP causing the problem. But I'm still having crash problems. Usually, it's after a minute or two. I don't know if you can help or not, but here's the most recent log just in case.

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That crash is due to Weapon Debris.  Turn that option off in the FO4 options — start the game with the vanilla launcher instead of F4SE then go into the graphics options.  Turn off Weapon Debris, then exit the launcher and start the game with the F4SE launcher.

[PanzerMaster]

21 hours ago, EgoBallistic said:

That crash is due to Weapon Debris.  Turn that option off in the FO4 options — start the game with the vanilla launcher instead of F4SE then go into the graphics options.  Turn off Weapon Debris, then exit the launcher and start the game with the F4SE launcher.

First off, I want to say thank you guys for the help. I've gotten my game to work somewhat normal, just some temporary freezing every once and a while. But I ask for one more slight piece of help. I'm having some texture issues as show. I don't know what I've got on that's causing them. It's like that on all male NPCs. But it's fine once the cloths are off.

[EgoBallistic]

17 minutes ago, PanzerMaster said:

First off, I want to say thank you guys for the help. I've gotten my game to work somewhat normal, just some temporary freezing every once and a while. But I ask for one more slight piece of help. I'm having some texture issues as show. I don't know what I've got on that's causing them. It's like that on all male NPCs. But it's fine once the cloths are off.

Looks like you installed the latest version of Atomic Muscle but you didn’t install the vanilla outfits rebuilt for Atomic Muscle.  The new AM uses different body textures than the other male bodies so outfits that haven’t been converted to it will have this problem.

 

I recommend installing the “legacy” version of Atomic Muscle instead.  It works with vanilla body textures and will work just as well with animations.

[PanzerMaster]

5 minutes ago, EgoBallistic said:

Looks like you installed the latest version of Atomic Muscle but you didn’t install the vanilla outfits rebuilt for Atomic Muscle.  The new AM uses different body textures than the other male bodies so outfits that haven’t been converted to it will have this problem.

 

I recommend installing the “legacy” version of Atomic Muscle instead.  It works with vanilla body textures and will work just as well with animations.

Well, aren't I a big idiot, I thought that meant that it would build the bodies. I'm going to go fix that that, thank you. People on here seem to be a lot nicer than on the steam forums. I had a problem with skyrim once, I asked for help on there, and all I got was "get better at modding lol". So, I say again, thank you.

[steelpanther24]

3 minutes ago, PanzerMaster said:

Well, aren't I a big idiot, I thought that meant that it would build the bodies. I'm going to go fix that that, thank you. People on here seem to be a lot nicer than on the steam forums. I had a problem with skyrim once, I asked for help on there, and all I got was "get better at modding lol". So, I say again, thank you.

Not, not an idiot, just getting used to using a new set of tools.  Also thanks for the compliment.   There are many reasons why LL seems to be better and that is because the collective group of posters set a friendly and helpful environment, though we do have an active moderator group as well.   Personal attacks or attacks on a person's fetish will get your post deleted and in some rare cases banned.    Also, it seems we have a more cooperative group of tech support experts.    If you want to see an example of a community supporting a single modder to make a fantastic DLC sized mod, check out Nuka Ride.

[PanzerMaster]

On 9/15/2022 at 8:31 PM, EgoBallistic said:

Looks like you installed the latest version of Atomic Muscle but you didn’t install the vanilla outfits rebuilt for Atomic Muscle.  The new AM uses different body textures than the other male bodies so outfits that haven’t been converted to it will have this problem.

 

I recommend installing the “legacy” version of Atomic Muscle instead.  It works with vanilla body textures and will work just as well with animations.

So, would you happen to know if there are some bodyslide files out there? I can't get rid of the extremely big body, and i only want the vanilla size body. I'm talking about the new version, not legacy. But right now I'm on legacy.

Edited September 17, 2022 by PanzerMaster

[EgoBallistic]

7 hours ago, PanzerMaster said:

So, would you happen to know if there are some bodyslide files out there? I can't get rid of the extremely big body, and i only want the vanilla size body. I'm talking about the new version, not legacy. But right now I'm on legacy.

 

Are you sure you're on legacy?  Because that image you posted looks exactly like what happens when you use the new AM and wear clothes that haven't been refit for the new AM.  E,.g.,

 

 

The new AM includes refits of all the vanilla clothing including DLC, and there are a bunch of refits of mod clothes available on Ulf's site VectorPlexus.  You'll find the link on the AM download page.

 

As far as the big body, you can select which body you want in the installer.  There is an option to install a vanilla-sized body which is basically indistinguishable from the vanilla one other than the genitals.

[PanzerMaster]

11 hours ago, EgoBallistic said:

 

Are you sure you're on legacy?  Because that image you posted looks exactly like what happens when you use the new AM and wear clothes that haven't been refit for the new AM.  E,.g.,

 

 

The new AM includes refits of all the vanilla clothing including DLC, and there are a bunch of refits of mod clothes available on Ulf's site VectorPlexus.  You'll find the link on the AM download page.

 

As far as the big body, you can select which body you want in the installer.  There is an option to install a vanilla-sized body which is basically indistinguishable from the vanilla one other than the genitals.

I switched over after you suggested it. I should have clarified that, my bad. Also, I didn't see that option on either the new AM or legacy, I'm probably doing something wrong.

 

Edit: I'm now also having graphical issues the farther north I go. I've turned down my graphics settings to as low as they'll go, I don't have on the High Res DLC. For example, when I'm within the main area of Boston around Goodneighbor, I will constantly get FPS drops that pull me down to only a few frames a second for several seconds, and then it happens again after maybe another 10-30 seconds. It can't be my graphics card, because my old laptop didnt do this and it had a much worse card. I've done all I can think to do. Would you know how to help with that?

Edited September 17, 2022 by PanzerMaster

[steelpanther24]

12 hours ago, PanzerMaster said:

I switched over after you suggested it. I should have clarified that, my bad. Also, I didn't see that option on either the new AM or legacy, I'm probably doing something wrong.

 

Edit: I'm now also having graphical issues the farther north I go. I've turned down my graphics settings to as low as they'll go, I don't have on the High Res DLC. For example, when I'm within the main area of Boston around Goodneighbor, I will constantly get FPS drops that pull me down to only a few frames a second for several seconds, and then it happens again after maybe another 10-30 seconds. It can't be my graphics card, because my old laptop didnt do this and it had a much worse card. I've done all I can think to do. Would you know how to help with that?

 

Aside from game fixes, is FO4 the heaviest game you are pushing?   If it is, then check the video drivers, RAM check etc.  all the troubleshooting for a GPU that is bogged down.    Also, one thing about GPUs, not all the "better ones" scored well, so there is that.    As for fixing it in FO4, I will have to defer to those who optimize FPS.   I only run into issues when I use my portable workshop to heavily change areas (like adding lights, removing all sorts of debris, breaking precombines etc. )

 

 

[PanzerMaster]

On 9/17/2022 at 10:37 PM, steelpanther24 said:

 

Aside from game fixes, is FO4 the heaviest game you are pushing?   If it is, then check the video drivers, RAM check etc.  all the troubleshooting for a GPU that is bogged down.    Also, one thing about GPUs, not all the "better ones" scored well, so there is that.    As for fixing it in FO4, I will have to defer to those who optimize FPS.   I only run into issues when I use my portable workshop to heavily change areas (like adding lights, removing all sorts of debris, breaking precombines etc. )

 

 

Would an ENB mod possibly fix it?

[steelpanther24]

13 minutes ago, PanzerMaster said:

Would an ENB mod possibly fix it?

ENB mods put more strain on a GPU, so I would say no.   I have a respectable one, and had issues with ENB, but that may have been an incorrect install as well.   I did not really notice a difference as well, except in performance drop.   However, someone with ENB experience probably would be better to ask.