Two different unrelenting force shouts? [Fixed]

[Back2friday]

Started a new game because i installed Gomaperoland, ordinator, odin, Triumvirate and pandorable males and hotkeys poser mods. 

 

Now after killing the first dragon near Whiterun, im having two different unrelenting force shouts. Why? 

But the other one is a total new shout. It blast fire and gives a fire cloak or something lol. 

 

Anyone know what causes this? I started many times a new game, but this is this first time i see this shout. 

 

 

Fix: it was a followers mod that added shouts (named UF) to the npc's. So i deleted the shouts from the mod with xedit and started new game. 

[Fiend71]

Did you install all those mods at the same time?  That's happened to me - well not the two shouts (that almost sounds like fire breath, and is certainly a bug), and I had to start over - again.

 

Close your mod organizer (if you have one), exit steam, restart your computer, and try anew?  

 

That's what I'd do, at least.  Then I'd cry.  Then ask on here and get some twit that has no idea...lol

 

Sorry.  Try that.

[nilead]

 You can probably find the source of this problem just using console:

Type "help "unrelrenting force"" in console, it should provide you with, well, everything you have with that name. Most of it should start with 00 - as unrelenting force is a vanila game shout. There should aslo be at least one record with different prefix, first two symbols are plugins load order, so say B2***** record comes from your 178th plugin.

 Its a bit brute approach, but should  show you what mod produced duplicated shout, and you proceed from there.

Im not sure how this method would work wtih .esl plugins, but give it a shot, might give you something to go by.

[Back2friday]

11 hours ago, nilead said:

 You can probably find the source of this problem just using console:

Type "help "unrelrenting force"" in console, it should provide you with, well, everything you have with that name. Most of it should start with 00 - as unrelenting force is a vanila game shout. There should aslo be at least one record with different prefix, first two symbols are plugins load order, so say B2***** record comes from your 178th plugin.

 Its a bit brute approach, but should  show you what mod produced duplicated shout, and you proceed from there.

Im not sure how this method would work wtih .esl plugins, but give it a shot, might give you something to go by.

 

No i haven't installed at same time. Basically pandorable males was last and because of that mod i decided to start over. 

I will try the console command and see what i can find. 

[Fiend71]

What's it show in your "magic" menu?  Can you swap it out to something else, then back to see if it's fixed?  

 

Also, once you see the greybeards, and get whirlwind, it might settle down (?)

 

Just thinkin' out my ass here...

[Back2friday]

What do you mean swap it out? I have two unrelenting shouts after killing the first dragon. It say new word learned + word unlocked. 

But the second shout acts like an other shout. It explodes fire and gives a fire cloak. 

 

I am going to start from earlier save before getting the dragon stone. I've read somewhere that causing that Drauger to wake up before learning the word on the wall can cause bugs if you save before reaching Whiterun. 

Also should mention i recovered the dragon stone before reaching Whiterun. 

 

If it still happens then i will just continue and test and see how it affects the game. It would be nice if someone actually recognizes the shout im talking about and knew the name of it. 

I heard one say it's the Alduin shout, but idk what that shout is like. 

[Monoman1]

Try in console:

help  "unrelenting force"

Examine the 'SHOU' entries and track down the additional shout via the first two digits of the formid. You can probably ignore anything beginning in 00xxxxxx as it's vanilla skyrim. 

Load your entire load order in TesEdit and search the suspicious SHOU entries by entering their 8 digit formid into the search box. 

[Fiend71]

24 minutes ago, Back2friday said:

What do you mean swap it out?

 

I have NFF, so I can select "command followers", and it uses the same "button" as a shout.  That's where I was going with that.

 

25 minutes ago, Back2friday said:

I have two unrelenting shouts after killing the first dragon. It say new word learned + word unlocked. 

But the second shout acts like an other shout. It explodes fire and gives a fire cloak. 

 

 

So, you actually see two versions then?  Does one act normal?  Sorry - you kind of lost me.

 

30 minutes ago, Back2friday said:

I heard one say it's the Alduin shout, but idk what that shout is like. 

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Dragon_Shouts

[Fiend71]

1 hour ago, Back2friday said:

I am going to start from earlier save before getting the dragon stone. I've read somewhere that causing that Drauger to wake up before learning the word on the wall can cause bugs if you save before reaching Whiterun. 

Also should mention i recovered the dragon stone before reaching Whiterun. 

 

That's actually a very good idea.  I'd never heard of that bug, but always get the wall first anyway.  Chest - wall - draugr.  Don't know why, just always do...lol

[Back2friday]

Ok so i continued the game to greybeards and learned all 3 words. 

Now i got an additional unrelenting force shout lol. So i have 3 unrelenting shouts.

Plus the Wirlwind shout, 4. 

 

The 2 additional uf shouts gives me according to active effects, 2x ironflesh and 2x flame cloak. 

And the other one just iron flesh.

 

First thing that comes into my mind is Ordinator with the 50% extra perk points addon. 

 

Going to xedit and see what i can find. 

[Fiend71]

9 minutes ago, Back2friday said:

Ok so i continued the game to greybeards and learned all 3 words. 

Now i got an additional unrelenting force shout lol. So i have 3 unrelenting shouts.

Plus the Wirlwind shout, 4. 

 

The 2 additional uf shouts gives me according to active effects, 2x ironflesh and 2x flame cloak. 

And the other one just iron flesh.

 

First thing that comes into my mind is Ordinator with the 50% extra perk points addon. 

 

Going to xedit and see what i can find. 

Wow...bonus...lol

 

Come to think of it, in my game, that draugr doesn't even "wake up" until I get that word.  Until then, I can go as close to his coffin as I want.  Heck, I bet I could even sit on it and have a snack.

 

Strange indeed.  I should mention that I don't actually have all those mods myself, and was thinking that one of them might be the culprit.  

 

Just trying to help though...

[Back2friday]

Ok i need to know something. I wanted to post my load order here, but then when i actually looked at the order, it was all messed up compared to Loot. (i ran Loot before starting new game) So i opened Loot again and was like huh that a different order. 

Apperently I had to re open Vortex again to get that load order updated. Please don't tell me this is not what i think it is............ 

 

Anyway i looked into xedit and im not sure what to look at. Unrelenting shouts has no conflicts while some other shout/magic are overwritten by either Odin or Summermyst Enchantments mod.

ingame console commands i get lines like this:

 

MGEF 0007F82F Unrelenting Force Strong

there are a couple more 4 to 6

 

Spel 00013E09 Fus

there are a couple more with FUS Ro and FUS Ro Da

 

Shou 00013E07 Unrelenting Force

          00013CF0 Dragon Unrelenting Force

 

There are also a couple without starting the 000 

 

I have no idea. Im thinking about removing Odin and Summermyst Mods and start over again to see what happens. 

 

Anyway this is the load order i were supposed to play with. Im not sure if it was already updated by Loot even without reopening Vortex. 

 

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[Fiend71]

Is your LOOT right on your vortex dashboard?  I mean, is it part of it?  Mine is, and I've never noticed that.  Mind you, that's pretty much the last thing I do before hitting "play". 

 

LOOT always says that it hasn't made changes to my LO either though.

 

Disabling those two sounds good.  It's what I'd be doing...anything newly added that "wigged-out" my game, actually.  

 

ODIN sounds like a good candidate, as does Draugr Upgrades, if that makes the one in Bleak Falls wake up early...

 

Couldn't say for certain though, since I don't have those ones, but as far as troubleshooting, that'd be a good start.

[Back2friday]

48 minutes ago, Fiend71 said:

Is your LOOT right on your vortex dashboard?  I mean, is it part of it?  Mine is, and I've never noticed that.  Mind you, that's pretty much the last thing I do before hitting "play". 

 

LOOT always says that it hasn't made changes to my LO either though.

 

Disabling those two sounds good.  It's what I'd be doing...anything newly added that "wigged-out" my game, actually.  

 

ODIN sounds like a good candidate, as does Draugr Upgrades, if that makes the one in Bleak Falls wake up early...

 

Couldn't say for certain though, since I don't have those ones, but as far as troubleshooting, that'd be a good start.

 

Im 99% sure it has nothing to do with that Drauger. 

Its the dragon that adds an additional shout with a combination of spells. So its not really a shout but a mix of 2 spells hidden as UF shout.

So im assuming Summermyst or Odin because those two are integrated in vanilla system (wich im not a fan of, i prefer standalone mods) 

 

Either way, i uninstalled Odin and Summermyst and ordinator's 50%extra perk addon.

I don't want to uninstall main Ordinator because i really want to try that mod. So im going to start a new game and see what happens. It could be maybe a bug that was implemented from the start? Maybe just a dumb glitch. Hope a new game will solve it.

If it still happens then fuck it. Ill continue untill it breaks. 

 

Also added Spellsiphon mod lol looks pretty dope from what i see. 

[Fiend71]

Sweet.   Fair enough.

 

Please report back.

[Back2friday]

Found it. It was Redguards of Skyrim mod. Apparently that mod adds spells to the npcs but somehow messing with the UF shout. 

Going to check in xedit. I somehow need to remove those spells. I would appreciate if i could get some guidance ? 

I mean i can delete the whole magic/spell tab or where ever those spells effects are, but im not sure if thats the correct way.