Are sims too "easy?"

[BobMoo16]

Hey all,

 

While I've been a member of this forum and a frequenty user and update of WW / Basemental / Nisa content, I've not posted here very much.  Generally I've had no trouble with getting the mods to work as intended, and I've been grateful there are mods to make playing the sims actually fun.

 

My question(s) are about how to make the game a little more "realistic" and challenging.  Typically, I have my "main" sim go out and try to find attractive partners and do the usual sexy stuff.  It is, honestly, no trouble at all, even in the base, unmodified game, to go about doing this.  It's even been pointed out in memes how easy and quickly a sim can go from meeting someone to woo-hoo-ing followed by engagement and marriage, within one interaction session.  So, by default, sims are "easy."

 

The attraction system in WW kind of pushes this along further.  I have a sim, happily married and satisfied in their relationship (full friendship and romance bars) come over for a visit, then because they're attracted to my current main sim, they give that "look" to my main sim.  If my main sim accepts, then the instigating sim becomes flirty and "I can do what I want with them for a while."  If I ask them for sex they'll immediately agree.  So much for the sanctity of their marriage.

 

While I may have both sims set to polyamorous, I figured that was a hedge against their having a 24-hour sad-on (while the other involved sim must suffer a 24-hour embarrassed moodlet) every time their partner merely flirts with another sim.  To turn this stupidity off, I turn on polyamory.  But does this make them more likely to engage in casual sex with anyone they meet who they find attractive?  Is there a better way to fine tune this?  I'd like them to NOT freak out when their partner flirts, but on the other hand, don't want them having sex with every pretty stranger they see. 

 

And generally speaking, I am up for challenges using these systems.  It shouldn't be so easy to have so many sex and romance partners.  There used to be a reputation system and other such features in Sims 3* that went some way to making polyamory more challenging.  (*I found it hilarious, annoying and totally artificial that, in the Sims 3, if you invited over your crush for some possible sexy time, they'd "bring over a friend" who happened to be your current, very jealous, partner.  This happened so often as to be definitely a planned feature.)

[morfeunetto]

you can change the settings of "ask for wohoo" autonomy interactions in the wicked whims category. you can also change another features too to make the gameplay look better and more reliable. at least that's what I do

[Scorpio]

1 hour ago, BobMoo16 said:

I have a sim, happily married and satisfied in their relationship (full friendship and romance bars) come over for a visit, then because they're attracted to my current main sim, they give that "look" to my main sim.

Normally when you get married your spouse will move into the same household as your other sim and then they also become a player sim.

But of course you can choose to not have them move in also.

Either way NPC's will come knocking at your door looking for casual sex.

 

WW has settings to keep romantically involved sims from cheating if you don't want one partner, or both, to cheat.

Since those setting are global for all sims in game you can then give one sim the 'Adulterer' Trait which then allows that one particular sim to be able to cheat whilst the others don't.

 

1 hour ago, BobMoo16 said:

But does this make them more likely to engage in casual sex with anyone they meet who they find attractive?

Flirting is one of the random triggers used to start WW sex but doesn't have much to do with the Attraction system itself.

But sims with the romantic traits or in flirty moods are more likely to flirt with other sims.

Autonomous random flirting is a vanilla game feature but I disable it using the MCCC mod in the Tuner settings since I don't want all my sims flirting with each other.

Depending on other conditions sometimes that flirting can create a romance bar between sims I don't want to be romantic.

 

Even without any flirting involved random strangers will ask for sex but it depends on some other WW settings if they even ask, or accept.

You'll notice this if your sim lives alone when other sims come over to visit they will usually ask soon after their arrival.

Or when you take your sim to a Bar or Nightclub they will often get asked quite soon after arriving.

Of course it depends on the available sex locations, privacy, and sex objects at public venues.

Certain conditions may prevent any autonomous sex from starting at some locations unless they are edited in BB mode first.

 

Keep in mind there are two different Jealousy systems in play...

One for WW Sex and one for Vanilla Game Romance Interactions like Flirting, Kissing, etc.

You can disable Sex Jealousy in WW settings.

But you have to use the MCCC mod to disable the Games Romance Jealousy system.

(It also covers Vanilla Woohoo Jealousy)

 

Or Complete the Games Serial Romantic Aspiration to get the free 'Player' Trait Reward and other sims will never be Jealous of your sims Romance Interactions with anyone.

Basically does the same thing the WW Polymorphous Trait does to prevent Jealousy from WW Sex and Cheating.

But these just make it easier so if you want more challenge you should remove the Poly Traits from your sims so you have to be more sneaky about cheating.

Get caught and you get more Drama.

 

You can also turn up the WW Relationship requirements so sims need a higher relationship before they will have autonomous sex to make it more challenging.

Wicked Settings > Sex Settings > Autonomy Settings > Autonomy Specifics:

NPC Sims Relationship Modifier: (set to -5.0 or less and NPC-NPC sims must have higher relationships)
Player to NPC Sims Relationship Modifier: (same as above, but positive numbers = easier sex)

 

(You'll have to experiment with the negative number values to get them tuned to your liking)

 

WW Settings/Relationship Settings/
Personality Settings:(Your Choice)
Attractiveness Settings: (Your Choice)
Persistant Social Boredom: OFF
Desire: ON
Relationship Utilities/
Open Relationships: ON (Cheating) (Turn this OFF to disallow Cheating)
Adult-Teen Relationships: ON 
Incest: ?
Jealousy: ON

 

Wicked Settings > Sex Settings > Autonomy Settings > Autonomy Awareness:

Player Sims: ON, Joining Sex: ON, Relationship Awareness: OFF, (Cheating) (ON = NO CHEATING)
Pregnancy Awareness: OFF, Sex Location Memory: ON, Sex Animation Memory: ON
Block around Children: (Your Choice)
Joining Sex Gender Compliance: ON (OFF for sims to auto join in group sex)***
Joining Sex Relationship Compliance: OFF (ON=less joining in sex if in romantic relationships)

 

Note there are other Romance Mods available to make the Games Romance system more challenging too.

 

Sorry for the wall of text but I had a lot to cover and most likely I missed something too.

[BobMoo16]

Thanks for the rich-content reply!  I'll experiment using some of the controls you mention, Scorpio.  

 

Earlier today I tried making a generally unattractive sim by choosing features that were "neither here nor there" to see if this would prevent the ticking of attractiveness boxes carried by other sims.  Well, it didn't really work.  He hit all the parks and bars, met about 15 women, and at least 3 gave him the "look."  2 of these 3 were single, one married.

 

Yes, I suppose the romantic trait is a big driver here.  And it's fairly common among sims, especially the ones I create.  I'll next try to change settings to enforce some semblance of marriage fidelity. 

[BobMoo16]

I just went and looked into the settings, and found a control I'd not used before, directly connected to my OP:  A switch to turn on/off the "person giving you that look" and then a probability setting for how likely they'd give it to you (presumably if the other checks are in place, e.g. they find you very attractive or higher).  By default it is set to 0.85, which is really really high!  So I turned it down to 0.10.  It should be rare, something that happens just once or twice in a sim's life IMO.  Nice this control exist.s

[MrGrey]

In most cases, getting a kiss from another sim is a lot more difficult than having sex with them, and features to make it even easier are very popular and celebrated by the fans.   I kinda get that integrating the sex aspect into the game isn't what the target market wants, tho.

[SticksStackStuck]

20 hours ago, BobMoo16 said:

A switch to turn on/off the "person giving you that look" and then a probability setting for how likely they'd give it to you (presumably if the other checks are in place, e.g. they find you very attractive or higher).  By default it is set to 0.85, which is really really high!  So I turned it down to 0.10. 

 

I did the same thing and found it turned the gameplay more to my liking. I also made my sims look a bit dorky, and put put the attraction of prospective wohoo partners to "most common attractive traits". That made things a good deal more challenging. I spend ages trying to woo a partner, only to find she didn't like the way my sim dressed (asking for preferences). Hitting the gym and swapping out the shabby old outfit for something a bit sharper finally did the trick!