requiemfang Posted March 26, 2013 Posted March 26, 2013 Plain and simple really for some reason I am unable to have a proper brawl anymore when I do I manage to get in one or two punches before the npc decides to draw a weapon. I've no idea why this is happening but I suspect something might be up I don't know if it's related to AFT or another mod I might be using or it's a bug that appeared due to the new skyrim update. I do know that the issue didn't show up until my game was updated. Also a side note and concern is that I am unable to complete the companion quest taking up arms normally (I have to use the console to complete the quest or skip to the next step, I had to do the same thing with the hired muscle quests in order to complete them). When I go to the training yard and try to spar with Vilkas he keeps saying we don't use magic blah blah blah even though I have two swords in my hands. I'll post a list of the mods I am using in a bit once I get a list of them together.
srayesmanll Posted March 26, 2013 Posted March 26, 2013 Plain and simple really for some reason I am unable to have a proper brawl anymore when I do I manage to get in one or two punches before the npc decides to draw a weapon. I've no idea why this is happening but I suspect something might be up I don't know if it's related to AFT or another mod I might be using or it's a bug that appeared due to the new skyrim update. I do know that the issue didn't show up until my game was updated. Also a side note and concern is that I am unable to complete the companion quest taking up arms normally (I have to use the console to complete the quest or skip to the next step, I had to do the same thing with the hired muscle quests in order to complete them). When I go to the training yard and try to spar with Vilkas he keeps saying we don't use magic blah blah blah even though I have two swords in my hands. I'll post a list of the mods I am using in a bit once I get a list of them together. Quick question: Are you playing as a vampire or using a vampire mod? I had a similar issue using "Better Vampires". No brawl would end properly. It would end, but even though I won, I wouldn't get my septims. I believe the problem was that BV was increasing unarmed damage, but because it was a magic effect, it was considered a "use of magic" during the brawl and therefore I forfitted the brawl. Maybe it's a similar issue (something adding a madic effect to your combat).
Rayblue Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 This happened to me as well, especially when asking an Orc chief to go mano-a-mano, so I had to use Brawl Bugs CE.
requiemfang Posted March 27, 2013 Author Posted March 27, 2013 Why yes I am using better vampires mod and am a vampire. Just a question though if I wasn't a vampire would things end normally? would brawls be normal if I wasn't a vampire?
srayesmanll Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 Why yes I am using better vampires mod and am a vampire. Just a question though if I wasn't a vampire would things end normally? would brawls be normal if I wasn't a vampire? With BV installed, but prior to becoming a vampire, brawling worked fine. After becoming a vampire and leveling a bit within BV, brawling would never complete (as I described above). So I think that the problem is the damamge adjustment that BV does handles it as a spell effect, which in Skyrim brwaling mechanics is a bad thing. Now in my case, the other brawler never drew a weapon, but I have had brawls go bad (without BV or being a vamp) when other people (including guards) would attack. I think that if you accidentally hit another NPC during the brawl, it's considered an assault which is treated as a crime. Funny thing one was that one of the times this happened, I was attacked because I punched a horse during a brawl.
requiemfang Posted March 27, 2013 Author Posted March 27, 2013 Hmm so if I became non-vampire brawls would end normally. Funny thing is I reported this little issue over at the nexus post of the mod makers mod page and he said it isn't his mod which I call a bunch of BS especially after what you just confirmed. I said his mod breaks brawls and funnily enough he said brawls are bugged in general. What's even funnier is that I've never had issues with brawls until installing his mod. SO it is his mods fault especially if your a vampire. The companion issue I was having earlier is also caused by BV =_=
HanPL Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 Do you use Skyrim ReDone ? Because this mod is also causing this problem.
medic975 Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 I had a similar issue with Uthgerd in Whiterun. I could fight her and win, but she'd just get back up and heal to full and fight again. After beating her the second time, she'd act like we never even had the conversation and I wouldn't get the septims. I also have Better Vampires, but wasn't a vampire at the time.
srayesmanll Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 Do you use Skyrim ReDone ? Because this mod is also causing this problem. Nope, never had that one installed in my case. The problem for me was strictly with BV. I started 2-3 different games with BV - Brawling was fine before becoming a vamp, failed after becomng a vamp. Start fresh games without BV installed, never had a brawling issue (other than some normal minor brawl issues). I had a similar issue with Uthgerd in Whiterun. I could fight her and win, but she'd just get back up and heal to full and fight again. After beating her the second time, she'd act like we never even had the conversation and I wouldn't get the septims. I also have Better Vampires, but wasn't a vampire at the time. I think there is a general glitch where sometimes NPC become "unkillable". Happened to me inside Shroud Hearth barrow (sp?) in Ivarstead. Wyndalius (sp again?) just would not die. I quit and relaunched, then loaded a save that was prior to entering the barrow and everything was fine. What you saw may have been a similar glitch which may not be specific to brawling. Hmm so if I became non-vampire brawls would end normally. Funny thing is I reported this little issue over at the nexus post of the mod makers mod page and he said it isn't his mod which I call a bunch of BS especially after what you just confirmed. I said his mod breaks brawls and funnily enough he said brawls are bugged in general. What's even funnier is that I've never had issues with brawls until installing his mod. SO it is his mods fault especially if your a vampire. The companion issue I was having earlier is also caused by BV =_= There is always a chance that it may be another mod causing it, or a conflict with another mod, but I know that in my case it was BV causing it. He is correct that brawls may have their own issues, but frankly I have only run into a very small number of brawl issues - until using BV. I still say BV is a good vamp mod (although I have come to realise that I don't like playing vamps in this game) that allows you to modify it greatly to suit a player's taste (heh, blood-sucking ... taste ... , oh, nevermind). You can bypass the problem pretty easily with BV installed. If you reset vampirism (making you human but with the vamp disease), you can then brawl with no issues, then wait 3 days to get re-vamped (so to speak). Supposedly you will not lose any levels, etc as a vamp (not sure how if it affects VL perks, but it shouldn't), although I never tested that feature myself.
medic975 Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 It could be brawling unrelated. However it wasn't a one time experience. On a few different saves and entirely new games it would repeat.
ghostmist17 Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 Hihi! So, there are a couple brawl bug fixes on Nexus - I use this one to help with the cloak issues from frostfall mod. http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/24020#
requiemfang Posted March 27, 2013 Author Posted March 27, 2013 Hihi! So, there are a couple brawl bug fixes on Nexus - I use this one to help with the cloak issues from frostfall mod. http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/24020# tried using that as soon as I installed it I noticed my game started to freeze at random times, like entering a store building, or opening up the inventory and also opening up the inventory with a merchant.
ghostmist17 Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 tried using that as soon as I installed it I noticed my game started to freeze at random times, like entering a store building, or opening up the inventory and also opening up the inventory with a merchant. Well... that stinks!
requiemfang Posted March 28, 2013 Author Posted March 28, 2013 Pretty much its BV that's causing the brawl issue because it adds an enchantment/effect to you if your a vampire that improves your stats. This causes npcs you brawl against to draw their weapon and begin to hack or bash you body to pieces. Same issue with the companions quest taking up arms. That little enchantment/effect is considered magic which makes Vilkas keep repeating the same line over and over again. As was said in an earlier post a simple solution is to not be a vampire and to use BV config spell or MCM config to cure yourself and reinfect yourself. Which is a bit of a pain seeing as you have to wait 3 in game days for that to come into effect again. Still at least your victims/feed counter doesn't reset and you don't lose progress. So in conclusion my issue is resolved.
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