So what's the deal with nipple piercings?

[anjenthedog]

I have downloaded just about every mod that includes nipple piercings, and without exception, not even one applies them correctly, no matter how many times I fit them using bodyslide. They're either embedded deep inside the breast or they hover inches away from the nipples.

 

Is there some trick I'm missing? Do I have to use piercings made for a given body and stick with the default settings for that body and if so, why? Why are they not attaching to the breast nodes?

 

Sorry if I sound whiny. Not my intent, but it is a bit frustrating.

 

thanks

[Seijin8]

7 minutes ago, anjenthedog said:

I have downloaded just about every mod that includes nipple piercings, and without exception, not even one applies them correctly, no matter how many times I fit them using bodyslide. They're either embedded deep inside the breast or they hover inches away from the nipples.

 

Is there some trick I'm missing? Do I have to use piercings made for a given body and stick with the default settings for that body and if so, why? Why are they not attaching to the breast nodes?

 

Sorry if I sound whiny. Not my intent, but it is a bit frustrating.

 

thanks

Assuming you mean dangling type (HDT) piercings...

 

The only way it can work reliably is if you either:

1) completely remove breast physics, or

2) build a custom skeleton and node arrangement for your bodyslide preset and then reweight every piece of armor/gear/etc to that new standard and never change it.

 

The very, very few items that work mostly correct are built to a single size body (usually weight 100), and cannot be mixed with other bodies.

 

tl;dr: Breast nodes move too much to "stick" anything precisely onto them.

 

If you didn't mean piercings that include physics, then yeah, you are probably missing something.  Would need a lot more information to discern what.

[IA.Echo.Hotel]

The "Breast Node" is just the end of the bone, nipples are different. Because nipples are just a set of points that move relative to the breast bone they are very sensitive to changes in model scaling. You are going to have to take your nipple piercings and port them over to your PARTICULAR character preset in Outfit Studio. This can be as difficult or as simple as you care to make it, once you learn how. You'll also have to change the weights to match your character's breasts (not as bad as it sounds, check some of the threads around porting things to the three bone breast skeleton)

 

Note: This is more or less the same thing Seijin8 said.

 

P.S.  My particular choice in aesthetics meant I had to learn Body Slide and Outfit Studio pretty well if I wanted most outfits without clipping so I can say, while tedious, modifying things in Outfit Studio is not hard, and you are in the exact right place for tutorials.

[anjenthedog]

Thank you both for clarifying this. Yeah, Although I've pretty much mastered Bodyslide (as much as one can "master" it), I haven't used outfit studio much and tbh, get a bit intimidated by it. 

 

Maybe I need to spend a bit more time playing there. 

 

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The very, very few items that work mostly correct are built to a single size body (usually weight 100), and cannot be mixed with other bodies.

Yep...that's been my feeling, and now it seems to be confirmed. gracias.

 

And yes, I meant nipple piercings with physics. Specifically nipple piercings. All the others seem to work just fine without any fiddling (other than fitting in bodyslide)

 

thanks again for your replies!

 

[Seijin8]

5 hours ago, anjenthedog said:

And yes, I meant nipple piercings with physics.

Now that I have had some sleep and am re-reading this, I need to clarify something.

 

Two types of nipple piercings being discussed here:

1) Fixed types (like barbells, studs, pasties, that kind of thing) that are a mesh stuck onto the nipple area.

2) Swinging/dangling types like chains, swinging soul gems, etc that fix a point to the nipple and freely move the same way as HDT earrings or skirts do, with their own physics.

 

I'm unclear which we are talking about and my prior statements were aimed at #2.

 

If you mean #1, then @IA.Echo.Hotel is correct and this can be done with Outfit Studio.  It is mainly a case of making sure it fits the reference body correctly and then using the copy bone weights mechanism to approximate the movement.  (I find this isn't accurate enough for something that should be fixed, but it'll get you close anyway and is usable for beginners).

[anjenthedog]

7 hours ago, Seijin8 said:

Two types of nipple piercings being discussed here:

1) Fixed types (like barbells, studs, pasties, that kind of thing) that are a mesh stuck onto the nipple area.

2) Swinging/dangling types like chains, swinging soul gems, etc that fix a point to the nipple and freely move the same way as HDT earrings or skirts do, with their own physics.

In my case, specifically simple nipple rings - AH1 Nipple ring, AH1 nipple ring (large) - (and also the "HW-neck chain" nipple rings with chains, which yes, do have dangly jeweled bits) offered by HDT piercingsets.esm. I believe these ones are physics enabled.

 

 

[Pogogo000]

Are you using 3BBB?

[anjenthedog]

yes, I use CBBE-3BBB for my female player. it was also an issue when I used regular CBBE

It's also an issue for my BHUNP followers. 

 

Seijin8 and IA.Echo.Hotel explained the situation pretty well. It matches my basic expectations of what the issues are, anyway.