Minoan Dress Mod

[bobgasyon]

Is there anyone who would be willing and/or able to make a Minoan Dress mod which would add the minoan cultural wear to the game? As you can see they wore dresses with exposed breasts, which I think is a great choice as perhaps a cultural wear that could be attached to either greek culture or a new cretian culture

 

[Regey]

These types of topless clothes would be awesome. Keep them immersive by referring to real traditional clothes that were actually like this.

[HiveBro]

Yes, please. Minoan clothing is awesome (it should come back into fashion >.>)

[Queen Dova]

Overly intelligent perverts of the internet, I summon thee in our time of need. This land of fertile perversion needs to be plowed - lewd clothing, fantasy or traditional will work. Show us what you got! ?

[bobgasyon]

9 hours ago, Queen Dova said:

Overly intelligent perverts of the internet, I summon thee in our time of need. This land of fertile perversion needs to be plowed - lewd clothing, fantasy or traditional will work. Show us what you got! ?

Now seems like a good time to say that ancient egyptians were generally topless or wore dresses which were strapless and started underneath the breasts (could be a clothing option if you bring back the egyptian religion) + Elizabeth I was famous for wearing a dress with a tight waist but with exposed breast (could be an option for english women towards the end of the game or just in general, even if a tad anachronistic)

[Kaiser of the Sea]

7 hours ago, bobgasyon said:

Now seems like a good time to say that ancient egyptians were generally topless or wore dresses which were strapless and started underneath the breasts (could be a clothing option if you bring back the egyptian religion) + Elizabeth I was famous for wearing a dress with a tight waist but with exposed breast (could be an option for english women towards the end of the game or just in general, even if a tad anachronistic)

Elizabeth I wore a dress that exposed her breasts? Never heard about that before, you got a source for that? Would be an interesting read.

[Ozvelpoon]

31 minutes ago, Voidstorm said:

Elizabeth I wore a dress that exposed her breasts? Never heard about that before, you got a source for that? Would be an interesting read.

Proper sourcing is an important part of any academic discussion on topless dresses of the early first century. GOD PEOPLE GET YOUR ACTS TOGETHER! What are the schools teaching these days...

[bobgasyon]

4 hours ago, Voidstorm said:

Elizabeth I wore a dress that exposed her breasts? Never heard about that before, you got a source for that? Would be an interesting read.

the french ambassador to england during elizabeth’s reign apparently discusses it

[sovietmercader]

This took place in 1597 when Queen Elizabeth I was 65 years old.

 

"...He led me along a passage somewhat dark, into a chamber that they call the Privy Chamber, at the head of which was the Queen seated in a low chair, by herself, and withdrawn from all the Lords and Ladies that were present, they being in one place and she in another. After I had made her my reverence at the entry of the chamber, she rose and came five or six paces towards me, almost into the middle of the chamber. I kissed the fringe of her robe and she embraced me with both hands. She looked at me kindly, and began to excuse herself that she had not sooner given me audience, saying that the day before she had been very ill with a gathering on the right side of her face, which I should never have thought seeing her eyes and face: but she did not remember ever to have been so ill before.
She was strangely attired in a dress of silver cloth, white and crimson, or silver 'gauze', as they call it. This dress had slashed sleeves lined with red taffeta, and was girt about with other little sleeves that hung down to the ground, which she was for ever twisting and untwisting. She kept the front of her dress open, and one could see the whole of her bosom, and passing low, and often she would open the front of this robe with her hands as if she was too hot. The collar of the robe was very high, and the lining of the inner part all adorned with little pendants of rubies and pearls, very many, but quite small. She had also a chain of rubies and pearls about her neck. On her head she wore a garland of the same material and beneath it a great reddish-colored wig, with a great number of spangles of gold and silver, and hanging down over her forehead some pearls, but of no great worth. On either side of her ears hung two great curls of hair, almost down to her shoulders and within the collar of her robe, spangled as the top of her head. Her bosom is somewhat wrinkled as well as one can see for the collar that she wears round her neck, but lower down her flesh is exceeding white and delicate, so far as one could see.
As for her face, it is and appears to be very aged. It is long and thin, and her teeth are very yellow and unequal, compared with what they were formerly, so they say, and on the left side less than on the right. Many of them are missing so that one cannot understand her easily when she speaks quickly. Her figure is fair and tall and graceful in whatever she does; so far as may be she keeps her dignity, yet humbly and graciously withal."

 

References:
The Ambassador's eyewitness account appears in: Maisse, Andre Hurualt, (G.B. Harrison and R.A. Jones eds.) De Maisse; a Journal of all that was accomplished by Monsieur de Maisse, ambassador in England from King Henri IV to Queen Elizabeth (1931); Johnson, Paul, Elizabeth I, a Study in Power and Intellect (1976).

[whateverdontcare]

1 hour ago, sovietmercader said:

This took place in 1597 when Queen Elizabeth I was 65 years old.

 

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References:
The Ambassador's eyewitness account appears in: Maisse, Andre Hurualt, (G.B. Harrison and R.A. Jones eds.) De Maisse; a Journal of all that was accomplished by Monsieur de Maisse, ambassador in England from King Henri IV to Queen Elizabeth (1931); Johnson, Paul, Elizabeth I, a Study in Power and Intellect (1976).

I first assumed that bosom was just a result of misinterpreting something. Like there's still clothing over it but it's different and thus exposed. Especially when said "Her bosom is somewhat wrinkled as well as one can see for the collar that she wears around her neck" but of course the rest of the sentence seems to make it clear it's talking about her skin rather than wrinkled clothes. I was actually able to find more evidence.

https://tudorstuff.wordpress.com/2009/02/06/the-tudors-boobs-exposed/

Basically this website has a few pictures from the Roxburghe Ballads, a book of confusing origins but the images might be from the proper time period. I looked at an online copy of it myself and found the first one one page 130. So, it is still several hundred years out of date but I guess this was a real thing.

[Kaiser of the Sea]

17 hours ago, sovietmercader said:

This took place in 1597 when Queen Elizabeth I was 65 years old.

 

snip

 

References:
The Ambassador's eyewitness account appears in: Maisse, Andre Hurualt, (G.B. Harrison and R.A. Jones eds.) De Maisse; a Journal of all that was accomplished by Monsieur de Maisse, ambassador in England from King Henri IV to Queen Elizabeth (1931); Johnson, Paul, Elizabeth I, a Study in Power and Intellect (1976).

Well damn, that was an interesting read.

[elglobino69]

[bobgasyon]

1 hour ago, elglobino69 said:

those are JoJo-esque stylized drawings but yes, those would be male and female minoan standard fare, as it were.

 

[CHIKN404]

More outfits would definitely be cool. As for the specifics, I'm not against it even if it's a bit fantasy.

  

On 9/6/2020 at 7:40 PM, Regey said:

These types of topless clothes would be awesome. Keep them immersive by referring to real traditional clothes that were actually like this.

Minoan outfits wouldn't be immersive. Most of the game's time period is closer to today than to the end of the Minoan civilization. It would be more appropriate to look at the style said to be popularized by Agnès Sorel, as that falls (just barely) within the game's timeframe.

 

On 9/7/2020 at 9:53 AM, bobgasyon said:

Now seems like a good time to say that ancient egyptians were generally topless or wore dresses which were strapless and started underneath the breasts (could be a clothing option if you bring back the egyptian religion) + Elizabeth I was famous for wearing a dress with a tight waist but with exposed breast (could be an option for english women towards the end of the game or just in general, even if a tad anachronistic)

It was also very normal in India at this time, prior to the Muslim invasion (before the game's time period) but remained conventional in the south long after the time period for many ethnicities. Apparently in Kerala toplessness was required by law except for specially exempt groups until 1858 and there was a tax on it for the Shudra and casteless until 1924. However, for monarchs and nobility it would have been uncommon I think.

 

It's similar for Egyptians, actually, where the rulers would wear more clothing than the commoners. However for Egypt we know that there were visible breasts in the game's time period, as they were documented by Ibn Battuta. Egyptian women often wore only a single sheer layer through which their body could be seen fairly clearly. He also noted that the daughters of the Sultan of Mali were naked when he visited, and the Sultan told him that he'd required them to be naked until the memorized the Koran. Neither of these things scandalized Ibn Battuta more than the fact that Egyptian women would sometimes visit men in their homes without their husbands present, though, which was the height of sluttery to him.

[ILIA91]

 

On 9/6/2020 at 11:28 PM, bobgasyon said:

Is there anyone who would be willing and/or able to make a Minoan Dress mod which would add the minoan cultural wear to the game? As you can see they wore dresses with exposed breasts, which I think is a great choice as perhaps a cultural wear that could be attached to either greek culture or a new cretian culture

You probably need to contact the developers of the this mod:

https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=2216525506

They will definitely be interested in adding your clothes to their mod.

[bobgasyon]

3 hours ago, CHIKN404 said:

More outfits would definitely be cool. As for the specifics, I'm not against it even if it's a bit fantasy.

  

Minoan outfits wouldn't be immersive. Most of the game's time period is closer to today than to the end of the Minoan civilization. It would be more appropriate to look at the style said to be popularized by Agnès Sorel, as that falls (just barely) within the game's timeframe.

 

It was also very normal in India at this time, prior to the Muslim invasion (before the game's time period) but remained conventional in the south long after the time period for many ethnicities. Apparently in Kerala toplessness was required by law except for specially exempt groups until 1858 and there was a tax on it for the Shudra and casteless until 1924. However, for monarchs and nobility it would have been uncommon I think.

 

It's similar for Egyptians, actually, where the rulers would wear more clothing than the commoners. However for Egypt we know that there were visible breasts in the game's time period, as they were documented by Ibn Battuta. Egyptian women often wore only a single sheer layer through which their body could be seen fairly clearly. He also noted that the daughters of the Sultan of Mali were naked when he visited, and the Sultan told him that he'd required them to be naked until the memorized the Koran. Neither of these things scandalized Ibn Battuta more than the fact that Egyptian women would sometimes visit men in their homes without their husbands present, though, which was the height of sluttery to him.

this is all good to know for an immersive nudity mod. The Minoan wear i was thinking could be applied to an event for dukes of krete to restore the minoan civilization. I know it’s being done in the Bronze Age mod  

[bobgasyon]

3 hours ago, CHIKN404 said:

More outfits would definitely be cool. As for the specifics, I'm not against it even if it's a bit fantasy.

  

Minoan outfits wouldn't be immersive. Most of the game's time period is closer to today than to the end of the Minoan civilization. It would be more appropriate to look at the style said to be popularized by Agnès Sorel, as that falls (just barely) within the game's timeframe.

 

It was also very normal in India at this time, prior to the Muslim invasion (before the game's time period) but remained conventional in the south long after the time period for many ethnicities. Apparently in Kerala toplessness was required by law except for specially exempt groups until 1858 and there was a tax on it for the Shudra and casteless until 1924. However, for monarchs and nobility it would have been uncommon I think.

 

It's similar for Egyptians, actually, where the rulers would wear more clothing than the commoners. However for Egypt we know that there were visible breasts in the game's time period, as they were documented by Ibn Battuta. Egyptian women often wore only a single sheer layer through which their body could be seen fairly clearly. He also noted that the daughters of the Sultan of Mali were naked when he visited, and the Sultan told him that he'd required them to be naked until the memorized the Koran. Neither of these things scandalized Ibn Battuta more than the fact that Egyptian women would sometimes visit men in their homes without their husbands present, though, which was the height of sluttery to him.

that said, do you have quotes or sources  for Egypt and Kerala specifically? 

[FirePowers]

I believe the developers of the Bronze Age mod are already working on Minoan and ancient Egyptian clothes. They already have male Egyptian clothes in their mod.