Skyrim wont load mods if i enable any new ones (MO)

[DarkChaoX]

Okay so. I need some serious help from experienced modders and could even appreciate personal messages if needed. While i have less than 254 plugins (thanks to merges), MO behaves like i have already reached the mod limit, meaning that the game will NOT load any of the plugins including any of the original DLCs. My game is VERY heavilly modded but carefully configured. If anyone could have a possible idea please let me know. I seriously need this help right now.

 

To clarify, im always below the 254 limit (253 with the mods that CAN load normally still), and have reduced it before to 250 to test if same thing applies and it does).

I cannot run ANY patches since enabling them cause the same issue and i have done all my merges using zEdit (zMerge)

Removing some mods from Merges seem to help but i do not wanna remove any further mods as there should be no issue.

 

I have literally tried everything in my knowledge, checked ini files, papyrus, removed and readded ENBs, making patches for a possible fix, running the Relinker included in zMerge, all to no avail.

 

I feel like i hit a wall that shouldnt exist and i cannot for the life of me figure it out. There is no crash. Game loads without any mods and i get the notification that no plugins AT ALL are enabled (as mentioned not even the original dlcs).

If i click new game, the game starts as if there are no mods and its all Vanilla. 

 

Reference count is at 600k so thats not an issue either.

 

The load order that follows is the one that can still load. Enabling ANY mods (even basic armor or sword mods), will cause the issue be it a patch or anything at all.

I am using Mod Organizer 2 but this should not be an issue either as i have tried switching profiles as well as reinstalling the entirety of Mod Organizer for it to work.

 

Load order from LOOT is as follows (many are merged)(needless to say they have all been sorted):

 

 

  0  0     Skyrim.esm
  1  1     Update.esm
  2  2     Dawnguard.esm
  3  3     HearthFires.esm
  4  4     Dragonborn.esm
  5  5     Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
  6  6     Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
  7  7     Falskaar.esm
  8  8     Heels Sound.esm
  9  9     EFFCore.esm
 10  a     WM Flora Fixes.esp
 11  b     ApachiiHair.esm
 12  c     ApachiiHairFemales.esm
 13  d     Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
 14  e     BSAssets.esm
 15  f     SexLab.esm
 16 10     SexLabAroused.esm
 17 11     Devious Devices - Assets.esm
 18 12     OSA.esm
 19 13     actorEvents.esm
 20 14     TERAArmors.esm
 21 15     hdtHighHeel.esm
 22 16     CreatureFramework.esm
 23 17     dcc-soulgem-oven-000.esm
 24 18     PSQ PlayerSuccubusQuest.esm
 25 19     SGHairPackBase.esm
 26 1a     ApachiiHairMales.esm
           More Interactive Items.ESM
 27 1b     LegacyoftheDragonborn.esp
 28 1c     3DNPC.esp
 29 1d     Helgen Reborn.esp
 30 1e     RelicsofHyruleDragonborn.esp
           More Interactive Items [Dawnguard].ESM
 31 1f     Evil Lair of Hydra.esm
 32 20     AKSkyrimUnderground.esp
 33 21     SkyrimSewers.esp
 34 22     Dwarfsphere.esp
 35 23     SMSkyrim.esp
 36 24     arnima.esm
 37 25     MagicDuelReborn.esm
 38 26     RSkyrimChildren.esm
 39 27     BSHeartland.esm
 40 28     SkyMoMod.esm
 41 29     HammetDungeons.esm
           BBLuxurySuite.esm
 42 2a     Clockwork.esp
           More Interactive Items [Hearthfire].ESM
 43 2b     BecomeKingofSkyrim.esp
 44 2c     BS_DLC_patch.esp
 45 2d     Campfire.esm
 46 2e     Devious Devices - Integration.esm
 47 2f     Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
 48 30     Darkend.esp
 49 31     notice board.esp
 50 32     Vigilant.esm
 51 33     ZaZAnimationPack.esm
 52 34     moonpath.esm
 53 35     Gray Fox Cowl.esm
 54 36     Haem Projects Goblands.esp
 55 37     summersetisles.esp
 56 38     Worldofrudra.esm
 57 39     daymoyl.esm
 58 3a     LevelersTower.esm
 59 3b     MolagBalsInferno.esm
 60 3c     Maelstrom.esp
 61 3d     Skyrim - Utility Mod.esm
 62 3e     GeneralStores.esm
           RE_RealEstate_Core.esp
 63 3f     RaceCompatibility.esm
           HighResTexturePack01.esp
           HighResTexturePack02.esp
           HighResTexturePack03.esp
 64 40     TouringCarriages.esp
 65 41     Cutting Room Floor.esp
 66 42     Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
 67 43     Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
           Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
 68 44     Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
 69 45     Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
 70 46     Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp
 71 47     EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
 72 48     SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
 73 49     SkyUI.esp
 74 4a     UIExtensions.esp
 75 4b     AddItemMenuLE.esp
 76 4c     Brevi_MoonlightTalesEssentials.esp
           Code Vein.esp
           Loc Hibachi.esp
           Loco Hibachi Samurai color skin.esp
           Kaine Dlc2.esp
           YoRHa Unit.esp
 77 4d     KS Hairdo's.esp
           YunDao_Hdt_Hair.esp
 78 4e     SlaveTats.esp
 79 4f     FISS.esp
 80 50     AMatterOfTime.esp
 81 51     iHUD.esp
 82 52     SkyHUD.esp
 83 53     WM_WidgetMod.esp
 84 54     KS Hairdos - HDT.esp
 85 55     zzEstrus.esp
 86 56     Animated Dragon Wings.esp
 87 57     Bathing in Skyrim - Main.esp
 88 58     EatingSleepingDrinking.esp
 89 59     halfdragonrace.esp
 90 5a     Real Flying.esp
           TakeNotes.esp
 91 5b     BSHeartland - Meshes.esp
 92 5c     BSHeartland - Textures.esp
           LovelyHairstylesCE.esp
           SGHairPackAIO.esp
           Fort Takeovers.esp
 93 5d     SimplyKnock.esp
 94 5e     VioLens.esp
 95 5f     RaceMenu.esp
 96 60     RaceMenuPlugin.esp
 97 61     RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
 98 62     SexLabDefeat.esp
 99 63     mslDeviousCaptures.esp
           FNIS EIS - Oden.esp
           PrettyMotionMCM.esp
           GPPoses.esp
           cpkinokopose.esp
           Halo's Poser.esp
           PP_KSeries.esp
100 64     OSA Poser Module.esp
101 65     Realistic AI Detection 2 - Medium Interior, Medium Exterior.esp
102 66     SexLabMatchMaker.esp
103 67     RSChildren.esp
           RSChildren Patch - USLEEP.esp
104 68     3PCO.esp
           YamatoScbAction.esp
           CircleSword.esp
           MarblePhantasm.esp
           PulleysButterfly.esp
105 69     H2135FantasySeries6.esp
106 6a     NIER 2B Set by Team TAL.esp
           FF_Okimono.esp
           TW Ciri DLC by Team TAL.esp
           Plague Bearer.esp
           MBO 0048.esp
           MBO Pack  by Team TAL.esp
107 6b     SOSRaceMenu.esp
108 6c     XPMSE.esp
109 6d     HDTPhysicsWeaponSling.esp
           SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp
           SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
           Fudou Myouou.esp
           Bishu Osafune-ju Morikage.esp
           KatanaCrafting.esp
           iEquip.esp
           FacelightPlus.esp
           [COCO]wedding_2B.esp
           Animated Featherd wings.esp
           Brows.esp
           SGEyebrows.esp
110 6e     MilkModNEW.esp
           HeartBreaker.esp
           AncientDraugr.esp
           DVA - Dynamic Vampire Appearance.esp
           BlackCat26.esp
111 6f     SMSkyrim - Compressed.esp
           Berserk Griffith.esp
           [dint]_NeirAutomataHDT.esp
112 70     MilkModNEW CF.esp
113 71     MilkModNEW HF.esp
           MilkModNEW ZaZ.esp
114 72     SexLabTools.esp
115 73     hmkLockOn.esp
116 74     GoToBed.esp
           Draw!!.esp
           CannabisUpdate.esp
           SkyTweak.esp
           H2135FantasySeries4.esp
           PumpingIron.esp
           Skyrim Particle Patch for ENB - Flame Atronach Fix.esp
117 75     SignatureEquipment.esp
           vSS_SuperStash.esp
           Nier Outfit.esp
           mintylightningmod.esp
118 76     Nemesis PCEA.esp
119 77     NIOVHH.esp
120 78     FNIS.esp
121 79     SerialStrip.esp
           Remodeled Armor - Dragonborn.esp
122 7a     2020 Chaos Merge.esp
123 7b     Castle Draco's Legendary DLC Edition.esp
           Destructible Skyrim.esp
           degradation.esp
124 7c     Disparity.esp
           DialogueTweaks.esp
125 7d     RealisticRoomRental.esp
           DepthsOfSkyrim.esp
126 7e     CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
127 7f     Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp
128 80     Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp
129 81     moonpath_questdata.esp
130 82     TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
131 83     ELFX Patch Merge.esp
           NorthernGrass.esp
           [Kirax] Project Vindictus Vol.1 Remastered.esp
           Remodeled Armor - Dawnguard.esp
           DM&SG.esp
           MaximumDrive.esp
132 84     WARZONES - Civil Unrest.esp
133 85     Rebirth Monster.esp
134 86     WARZONES - DLC - Assault Attack.esp
           Book Covers Skyrim.esp
135 87     GreatWarSkyrim.esp
136 88     SoundsofSkyrimComplete.esp
           Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
           Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
           Ultimate NPC Overhaul II.esp
           Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
           RRR_ELFX-Patch.esp
           Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp
           KurooNekoPhotoStudio.esp
           SRC - All-In-One.esp
137 89     ZIA_Complete Pack.esp
138 8a     Celestials.esp
139 8b     P1FlyingRing.esp
140 8c     BOIII Merge pack.esp
141 8d     Dangerous All-in-One Merge pack.esp
142 8e     Shezarrine.esp
           xazPrisonOverhaulPatched.esp
143 8f     DwemerColosseum.esp
           Skyrim Bridges.esp
           CharacterMakingExtender.esp
           Phenderix Magic World.esp
144 90     PsijicOrder.esp
           CWIELnFXPatch.esp
145 91     Ambriel.esp
146 92     _tck_SpellCrafting.esp
147 93     WetandCold.esp
148 94     Chaos Third Merge.esp
           Birdsofskyrim.esp
149 95     Merge Pack Bleach and Cannabis.esp
           No More Ugly Effects.esp
           hold guard.esp
           UBWRe.esp
150 96     SexLab-Stories.esp
151 97     Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp
           SoS_ELFX_Patch.esp
           Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp
           SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp
           RE_RealEstate.esp
           Training Dummies & Targets - Falskaar Edition.esp
152 98     MoonAndStar_MAS.esp
153 99     Undeath.esp
154 9a     Combat Evolved.esp
155 9b     Immersive Weapons.esp
156 9c     Patches Combined Merge.esp
157 9d     Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp
158 9e     DSer360MovementBehavior.esp
           Snark.esp
159 9f     Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp
160 a0     Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
           DSAMG - Miraak Music Fixes.esp
           The Ningheim.esp
           Misc Dialogue Edits.esp
161 a1     zThingsInDark.esp
           Sea of Spirits.esp
           JobsofSkyrim.esp
           Holidays.esp
162 a2     NewArmoury.esp
           Skyrim Wayshrines.esp
163 a3     MoreNastyCritters.esp
           Personalized Music v 6.0.esp
164 a4     Wintersun - Faiths of Skyrim.esp
           sanguinesDebauchery.esp
165 a5     EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp
           Corpse_Preparation.esp
           WayshrinesIFT.esp
166 a6     SMIM-Merged-All.esp
           Immersive Encounters.esp
167 a7     zMirai.esp
168 a8     Escape the Cell.esp
           Arcanum.esp
           Bandit Economy - LE.esp
           SpellResearch.esp
           Sotteta Necromancer Outfit.esp
169 a9     Growl - Werebeasts of Skyrim.esp
           Afterlife.esp
170 aa     Inigo.esp
171 ab     ChaosDragons.esp
172 ac     fallentreebridges.esp
           SkyBleach.esp
           Immersive Wenches.esp
           Deadly Wenches.esp
           Forgotten Wenches.esp
           Judgment Wenches.esp
173 ad     flaho_shi_eagles_nest_ENG.esp
174 ae     UltimateDragons.esp
           chfshPlayerVoicesets.esp
175 af     Deviously Cursed Loot.esp
           Trainers Guild v10.1.esp
176 b0     EFFDialogue.esp
           NorthernCardinal.esp
177 b1     SimpleSlavery.esp
178 b2     Immersive Patrols II.esp
           RRR_3DNPC-Patch.esp
           WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp
179 b3     Hunterborn.esp
           Colorful_Magic.esp
180 b4     Frostfall.esp
181 b5     SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp
182 b6     SofiaFollower.esp
183 b7     MiraakFollower.esp
           Trainers Guild.esp
184 b8     Marriable Serana.esp
185 b9     Playable Monster Mod.esp
186 ba     xamnant.esp
187 bb     quest into the depths.esp
           Hateful Wenches.esp
188 bc     MilkMod_MilkPumpsBasicB.esp
189 bd     KNM_Mour.esp
190 be     Tools of Kagrenac.esp
           ssapbwk.esp
191 bf     SexLab-StoriesDevious.esp
192 c0     LupineWerewolfPerkExpansionMirrorPerks.esp
193 c1     Midas Magic Expanded.esp
194 c2     WorldEaterBeater.esp
           Drinking Fountains of Skyrim.esp
           Glowtastic.esp
           TimingIsEverything.esp
           The Fifth Gate.esp
195 c3     SOS - Shop.esp
196 c4     balfer.esp
           SkyrimReputation_S2011.esp
197 c5     ForgottenCity.esp
198 c6     daymoyl_DawnguardAddon.esp
199 c7     Missives.esp
           FlyableDragons.esp
           Spellsword.esp
200 c8     darkproject.esp
201 c9     Naruto Overhaul.esp
202 ca     UchihaClan.esp
           Use Special Markers.esp
203 cb     The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
           HallsOfDovahndor.esp
204 cc     [dint]BDO_Clothes_Pack.esp
205 cd     Magic of the Magna-Ge.esp
           Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
           Undriel_Everlight.esp
206 ce     Dwemertech - Magic of the Dwarves.esp
           SuccubusRaceLite.esp
207 cf     Vampirelordroyal.esp
208 d0     Shrouded Lair.esp
           Reaper's The Dark Tower.esp
           Godswords - Johnskyrim.esp
           fx_eye_candy_rings.esp
           Bijin Warmaidens.esp
           GuildStarter.esp
           Men of Winter.esp
           Men of Winter - Skills&Perks Module.esp
           ColdharbourDaedra.esp
           Lanterns Of Skyrim - AIO - Dawnguard.esp
           MHufb001.esp
           Trainers Guild v5.4.esp
209 d1     iNeed.esp
210 d2     Ravengate.esp
211 d3     MoonAndStar_Undeath_compat.esp
           [Christine] DOA - Night Parade of One Hundred Demons.esp
           Cannabis.esp
212 d4     vMYC_MeetYourCharacters.esp
           LTEB.esp
           Dwarvenbikini.esp
           chfshImbuedSword.esp
           ASwordAccursed_v2.01.esp
213 d5     Hermit.esp
           DestructibleDisplayCases.esp
214 d6     Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp
215 d7     The Last Merge.esp
216 d8     Apocalypse - More Apocalypse.esp
217 d9     ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp
           The Ordinary Women.esp
218 da     Gray Fox Cowl - Alternative Start.esp
           TERA Weapons.esp
           DraugrSkirts.esp
           Sotteta Huntress Armor.esp
           Merta Assassin Armor.esp
           DragonLordSwords.esp
           CROSS_Crucible.esp
           Cassandra Frost Witch.esp
           Andromeda.esp
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           DSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.esp
           Scribe.esp
           YotoHatamonba.esp
           Crime Overhaul.esp
           CWICRFPatch.esp
           AetherSuite.esp
           Merta Black Rose Armor.esp
           SMSkyrim - Encounters.esp
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221 dd     HentaiCreatures.esp
222 de     zzzSXP.esp
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           DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
           Convenient Horses.esp
           Remodeled Armor.esp
           TheHermit.esp
           SpellswordApocalypse.esp
           SpellswordEmergence.esp
           More Dialogue Options.esp
           ExpandedNPCDialogue.esp
           Rebirth Monster - SIC Patch.esp
           MannequinStayStill.esp
           DragonCombatDialogue.esp
           More Draconic Dragon Aspect - Powered Edition.esp
           More Draconic Dragon Aspect - Wings and Tail.esp
           More Draconic Dragon Aspect - Flying Mod Addon.esp
           wizDynamicThings.esp
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           WandsOfSkyrim.esp
           Vasto Lorde Transformation.esp
           Daedric Bitchs.esp
           BBLuxurySuiteENM.esp
           ValkyrieSwordShield.esp
           LB_GroveMatronStaff.esp
           Daedric Reaper Armor.esp
           Tsukuyomi.esp
           vION_IonCannon.esp
           Equipping Overhaul.esp
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           StrangeRunes.esp
           Real Clouds.esp
           Nightingale Prime remaster.esp
           Serana.esp
           VerisFollower.esp
           Twins.esp
           SeranaDialogAddon.esp
           SwordOfNunoboko.esp
           dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
           dD-DG-DB-MonsterMod EBT Patch v4.esp
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           UltimateCombat.esp
           BattleBrothers.esp
           Jormundandr Dragon.esp
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           Blaze Of Eventide.esp
           DragonFastTravelRedone.esp
           Krev The Skinner's Mantle by Hothtrooper44.esp
           Potions.esp
           Haem Projects Shalidor.esp
           Marriable Serana HF.esp
           alufiend.esp
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           Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
           PlayRandomIdle.esp
           Weather Spell.esp
           Fantasy Soundtrack Project.esp
           Fantasy Soundtrack Project - Combat.esp
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           AchieveThat.esp
           TavernGames.esp
           Immersive Speechcraft.esp
           ViewableFactionRanksBothDLC.esp
           Men of Winter - Compatibility Patch.esp
           DiverseDragonsCollection3.esp
           WetFunction.esp
           TailArmors.esp
           Critical Hit.esp
           Illustrious HDT Cloaks.esp
           LostGrimoire.esp
           ShadowSpellPackage.esp
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           _tck_camp_PortableAltar.esp
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           MoonAndStar_ImmersionPatch.esp
           EnchantedArsenal.esp
           Vivid Weathers.esp
           WetandCold - Ashes.esp
           Natural Lighting Vivid Atmospherics.esp
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           SL Deadly Drain.esp
           Daedric Voice.esp
           Daedric Voice - ZIA Patch.esp
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237 ed     RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp
238 ee     BVandRoyalBloodline_Patch.esp
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           CWIOrdinatorPatch.esp
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243 f3     Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
244 f4     Small Script Merge Pack.esp
245 f5     new merge test.esp
246 f6     Merge Pack Armors and Abilities.esp
           RDO - CACO Patch.esp
           BUVARP.esp
           Immersive Citizens - RRR patch.esp
           RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp
           Immersive Citizens - TC patch.esp
           RDO - EFF v4.0.2 Patch.esp
           RDO - Cutting Room Floor Patch.esp
           Watercolor_for_ENB_RWT.esp
247 f7     Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
248 f8     The final Merge.esp
249 f9     ccas_starts.esp
250 fa     Alternate Start -- New Beginnings.esp
251 fb     da_alternate_start_extension.esp
           Deviously Cursed Loot LAL AddOn.esp
252 fc     Recorder Follower Base.esp
 

 

[Heroine HoneyCrotch]

18 minutes ago, killer8217 said:

MO behaves like i have already reached the mod limit, meaning that the game will NOT load any of the plugins including any of the original DLCs.

 

19 minutes ago, killer8217 said:

Game loads without any mods and i get the notification that no plugins AT ALL are enabled

I don't think that is what MO does when you reach your limit.

 

Where is MO installed?, do you launch game with skse through MO?  

 

 

[DarkChaoX]

6 minutes ago, Heroine of the Night said:

 

I don't think that is what MO does when you reach your limit.

 

Where is MO installed?, do you launch game with skse through MO?  

 

 

yup using its SKSE launcher.

Located them myself to make sure and had to make a new MO installation outside Program Files just to be sure its not an issue. Im just super confused about this, a limit like that shouldnt exist

[Heroine HoneyCrotch]

8 minutes ago, killer8217 said:

had to make a new MO installation outside Program Files

Should have never been there, hopefully you have Steam outside of Program Files as well?

 

 

[DarkChaoX]

1 minute ago, Heroine of the Night said:

Should have never been there, hopefully you have Steam outside of Program Files as well?

 

 

Nope thats where it went from the start saddly. So since i have lots of games in there i didnt wanna risk moving it all

 

[Heroine HoneyCrotch]

I just did a quick look, program files and program files(86)

 

I remember being told/read that some programs(MO,Xedit,maybe SKSE) might not run right when steam is in Program Files(86)

 

Well see what the next person says on that. 

[Grey Cloud]

24 minutes ago, Heroine of the Night said:

I remember being told/read that some programs(MO,Xedit,maybe SKSE) might not run right when steam is in Program Files(86)

That's a privileges thing. Run as admin and all that jazz.

 

When did this problem start? Was it 5 minutes after you discovered the wonderful world of merging or have you been merging stuff for some time?

 

Looking at that LO it is difficult to spot anything but, just throwing some thoughts out there:

 

To me if an esp is not being used, it is not in the LO, whether active or not.

 

If you have done the merges correctly then the original esps do not need to be there. Check you aren't trying to load an original esp and a merge containing that same info.

 

Also check that you have not got any needed patches inactive but are still trying to load the mods which need the patch.

 

I'd remove all those inactive esps, make sure the game loaded and then add them back a few at a time. If the first lot causes the problem to appear then try a different bunch to be sure it is the number of mods and not a particular mod.

 

In fact, first thing I'd do is remove all the merges whether active or inactive.

[DarkChaoX]

9 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

That's a privileges thing. Run as admin and all that jazz.

 

When did this problem start? Was it 5 minutes after you discovered the wonderful world of merging or have you been merging stuff for some time?

 

Looking at that LO it is difficult to spot anything but, just throwing some thoughts out there:

 

To me if an esp is not being used, it is not in the LO, whether active or not.

 

If you have done the merges correctly then the original esps do not need to be there. Check you aren't trying to load an original esp and a merge containing that same info.

 

Also check that you have not got any needed patches inactive but are still trying to load the mods which need the patch.

 

I'd remove all those inactive esps, make sure the game loaded and then add them back a few at a time. If the first lot causes the problem to appear then try a different bunch to be sure it is the number of mods and not a particular mod.

 

In fact, first thing I'd do is remove all the merges whether active or inactive.

Removing ANY mod and enabling a new mod fixes the issue but if i enable any other mods again game just does the same exact thing. I have been merging for years actually and i have been pretty careful and have been testing stuff like crazy. This whole issue started like a week ago and i have been trying non stop to fix it.

 

Im seriously out of options at this point. Remove the esps as in how? Delete them from the original files? They are innactive after all!

 

[Grey Cloud]

6 minutes ago, killer8217 said:

Remove the esps as in how? Delete them from the original files? They are innactive after all!

Remove them from the (virtual) Data folder.

 

To be honest I'm impressed that your game runs at all. That load order is a complete clusterfuck. You have umpteen mods adding a ton of extra content (even more than I have); you have several lantern mods in addition to at least two lighting mods; lots of dragon mods; a ridiculous number of armour mods; and on and on. Meanwhile things which I would merge such as RSCO and its Usleep patch go unmerged.

 

I don't use MO so I can't give any advice there.

[bandygirl1]

1 hour ago, killer8217 said:

 

 

Remove the esps as in how? Delete them from the original files? They are innactive after all!

 

There is no need to remove the inactive .esps.

 

Double click the mod in the left pane of MO with .esp you don't want showing up in your LO. Click on the Optional .ESPs tab at the top of the window that opens, click on the .esp you don't want showing up in your LO, and then click the up arrow to move it from the bottom pane to the top one. Repeat that for all those mods. You can leave them checked in the left pane of MO ( because you'll need to so your merged .esp can access their assets ), and the .esps won't show up in your LO. If you ever delete your merge, and need that .esp again, simply reopen the mod, open that tab, and click the down arrow to move it back into the bottom pane.

[Just Don't]

1 hour ago, killer8217 said:

Remove the esps as in how? Delete them from the original files? They are innactive after all!

On MO left panel, double click over any of the mods that have merged plugins. Go to the Optional ESPs tab and move the plugins that are disabled in your loadorder to the left (using the arrow buttons).

Example:

 

You should've been doing this since you started merging plugins. It seems there is another plugin limit that considers both enabled and disabled plugins (can't remember the exact number, 480? 600? something like that). I'm not sure if it can also happen with the VFS in MO, but doing this is recommended either way.

[Tlam99]

MO starts even with more than 255 active esp, it might crash, but it starts.

tested it.

What hardware, Win are you using ? Might be a limit more Win/Hardware related.

Just an idea

what happens if you flag an esp to espfe with xedit ?

This should not change the load order but might give a hint.

[Grey Cloud]

3 minutes ago, bandygirl1 said:

There is no need to remove the inactive .esps.

Hmm? There may be MO voodoo involved here but some mods, e.g. XPMSE still do their thing with the esp inactive.

 

Why would a merge require the the original esp? That would rather make the merge redundant would it not? I've currently got 3 or 4 follower merges in my game, each of 10 followers. The original esps are not in my Data folder.

[DarkChaoX]

Sorry for not updating you guys. Still trying to fix it.

I am now trying to take every single mod and make their merged esp files optional so its a bit cleaner and see how that works.

 

16 minutes ago, dontknowdontcaredontask said:

You should've been doing this since you started merging plugins. It seems there is another plugin limit that considers both enabled and disabled plugins (can't remember the exact number, 480? 600? something like that). I'm not sure if it can also happen with the VFS in MO, but doing this is recommended either way.

 Its this exact idea that had been bothering me for a while. There might be a limit to even disables esp files that only very heavily modded games would have an issue with

[Tlam99]

14 minutes ago, dontknowdontcaredontask said:

On MO left panel, double click over any of the mods that have merged plugins. Go to the Optional ESPs tab and move the plugins that are disabled in your loadorder to the left (using the arrow buttons).

Example:

 

You should've been doing this since you started merging plugins. It seems there is another plugin limit that considers both enabled and disabled plugins (can't remember the exact number, 480? 600? something like that). I'm not sure if it can also happen with the VFS in MO, but doing this is recommended either way.

Thank you for this

just tried it and it works, got rid of this deactivated esp and meshes/textures are still there in my merges.

[DarkChaoX]

Fingers crossed it seems to load with an extra mod this time arround (gonna try adding like 2-3 now to give it a final test)

 

It seems that MO could trully have a limit to plugins on the right panel

[Just Don't]

27 minutes ago, killer8217 said:

It seems that MO could trully have a limit to plugins on the right panel

The limit seems to be in the game itself, I first learned about it from a NMM user who had hundreds of disabled plugins in there. The VFS in MO must fall under the same functioning, the game sees all the plugins (even disabled ones) and goes nope brrrrrrrrrr.

 

32 minutes ago, T-lam said:

Thank you for this

just tried it and it works, got rid of this deactivated esp and meshes/textures are still there in my merges.

That's cool. Although Bandygirl bested me in quick replying, I was too busy making my shitty screenshot thing in paint.

[Tlam99]

1 hour ago, dontknowdontcaredontask said:

The limit seems to be in the game itself, I first learned about it from a NMM user who had hundreds of disabled plugins in there. The VFS in MO must fall under the same functioning, the game sees all the plugins (even disabled ones) and goes nope brrrrrrrrrr.

 

That's cool. Although Bandygirl bested me in quick replying, I was too busy making my shitty screenshot thing in paint.

I gave both of you a thumb up and now if you say this, checking mods in SK screen list all mods also the deactivated ones.

maybe killer can count them, as he touched the limit to get an exact number for mods.

[DarkChaoX]

10 hours ago, T-lam said:

I gave both of you a thumb up and now if you say this, checking mods in SK screen list all mods also the deactivated ones.

maybe killer can count them, as he touched the limit to get an exact number for mods.

Finally can confirm myself the MO2 limit on the left panel no matter what the deactivated and activated plugins are seems to be arround 500 plugins. I have managed to significantly lower the number by making all merged plugin esps optional thus my game is now playing properly!

 

Cant thank everyone in here enough! You all were amazing and if it werent for you guys i wouldnt have ever been able to find this out.

 

From the bottom of my heart i thank you all!

[bandygirl1]

13 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

Hmm? There may be MO voodoo involved here but some mods, e.g. XPMSE still do their thing with the esp inactive.

 

Why would a merge require the the original esp? That would rather make the merge redundant would it not? I've currently got 3 or 4 follower merges in my game, each of 10 followers. The original esps are not in my Data folder.

It's because, much like a texture mod, XPMSE over writes base files ( in this case, skeleton files ). You don't need an .esp active to do that.

 

It doesn't require the original .esps. It's just that with MO, there is no reason to remove them. You can simply follow the step I listed above and the game will not "see" or load them. And they are still there in case you later decide to remove the merge.

[Grey Cloud]

13 minutes ago, bandygirl1 said:

It's just that with MO, there is no reason to remove them.

Fair enough. I'm always amazed at the faith you MO users have in MO. I've been using Vortex, which as you know is also by Tannin, for 3 or 4 months now and if I wasn't so lazy I'd go back to NMM tomorrow. Vortex brings nothing for me except a cart load of annoyances and I wouldn't trust it as far as I could throw it.

[bandygirl1]

8 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

Fair enough. I'm always amazed at the faith you MO users have in MO. I've been using Vortex, which as you know is also by Tannin, for 3 or 4 months now and if I wasn't so lazy I'd go back to NMM tomorrow. Vortex brings nothing for me except a cart load of annoyances and I wouldn't trust it as far as I could throw it.

Vortex was made by Tannin, but he was hired by NexusMods to do it, and they had oversight into what he could and couldn't do.

MO has far more functionality when it comes to what the user actually wants to accomplish in modding their game to their liking from everything I've seen.

To most of us, the control MO offers > auto loot with every install.

[Grey Cloud]

1 minute ago, bandygirl1 said:

auto loot with every install

If you mean autosort then Vortex has that. I have it turned off and use regular LOOT so I can use metadata rules when I need to and so I have an at-a-glance notification of warnings and errors.

 

3 minutes ago, bandygirl1 said:

Vortex was made by Tannin, but he was hired by NexusMods to do it, and they had oversight into what he could and couldn't do.

Well obviously it wouldn't be Saint Tannin's fault would it? ?

He took the gig and he is happy enough to have his name as lead author.

[bandygirl1]

Just now, Grey Cloud said:

If you mean autosort then Vortex has that. I have it turned off and use regular LOOT so I can use metadata rules when I need to and so I have an at-a-glance notification of warnings and errors.

 

Well obviously it wouldn't be Saint Tannin's fault would it? ?

He took the gig and he is happy enough to have his name as lead author.

You mistook my meaning. I never said Tannin wasn't proud of his work.

I'm saying he was told to leave out much of the functionality that makes MO so popular in the first place for ease of use that the Nexus team wanted. Take from that what you will.

 

[Grey Cloud]

10 minutes ago, bandygirl1 said:

I'm saying he was told to leave out much of the functionality that makes MO so popular in the first place for ease of use that the Nexus team wanted.

That's a fact is it?