i eat legos Posted May 22, 2020 Posted May 22, 2020 im pretty sure i had this glitch for a while now but recently became more noticeable. My most recent mods i downloaded were CBPC and HDT physics but i ended removing them from my list later. I didn't think physics mod would have caused this. the attached is my own recording - i don't know why OBS rendered at such garbage fps but the black face flickering is constantly on and off at strobe light speed (very fast). Hopefully you get the idea. *edit - also when talking to Lydia, she doesn't move her mouth when talking at all. she seems to be the only npc affected. I thought it was the bijin warmaidens mod since i only saw it on lydia and no other npcs. So i uninstalled bijin and went back to see vanilla Lydia still affected. But i go into third person and my face is also affected too. Maybe it's hard to tell but Lydia's eyes also are affected too with black circles around them. Don't know why it's only Lydia and me that are affected. Couple days ago, the glitch was still present but both lydia and my character were flickering through facial expressions too. Don't know if the expressions came from SL or if they were vanilla or what. I'm pretty sure it's gone now but thought that was an important detail. Mod order is below, ordered by LOOT but it's very messy and not optimized so help on arrangement is also welcome. Any ideas? GameMode=SkyrimSE Skyrim.esm=1 Update.esm=1 Dawnguard.esm=1 HearthFires.esm=1 Dragonborn.esm=1 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp=1 FlowerGirls SE.esm=1 ApachiiHair.esm=1 BBLuxurySuite.esm=1 OSA.esm=1 ZaZAnimationPack.esm=1 Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm=1 SexLab.esm=1 Werewolf Revert Form.esl=1 SkyUI_SE.esp=1 Better_Male_Presets.esp=1 CBBE.esp=1 FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp=1 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp=1 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp=1 AI Overhaul.esp=1 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp=1 Immersive Weapons.esp=1 Moonlight Tales Special Edition.esp=1 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp=1 SOSRaceMenu.esp=1 RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp=1 RaceMenu.esp=1 XPMSE.esp=1 RaceMenuPlugin.esp=1 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp=1 Ursine Armor Pack.esp=1 Spartan Bard Outfit.esp=1 ElysiumEstate.esp=1 Follow me for Sex.esp=1 My Home Is Your Home.esp=1 BBLuxurySuiteENM.esp=1 SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp=1 SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp=1 Player Size Adjuster.esp=1 chfshPlayerVoicesets.esp=1 DisarmorShout.esp=1 IMAGINATOR SSE - Visual Control for Skyrim.esp=1 UIExtensions.esp=1 AddItemMenuSE.esp=1 KS Hairdo's.esp=1 Awesome Enchancements - Follower Edition.esp=1 SLAnimLoader.esp=1 NoOverpenetration.esp=1 Cumshot.esp=1 CumshotSL.esp=1 CumshotFG.esp=1 WetFunction.esp=1 SLAL_K4Anims.esp=1 SLALAnimObj.esp=1 SexLabTools.esp=1 NibblesAnimObjects.esp=1 FNIS.esp=1 opmfgconsole.esp=1 00FacialExpressions.esp=1 DW.esp=1 Bijin Wives.esp=1 Bijin Warmaidens.esp=1 Bijin NPCs.esp=1
anjenthedog Posted May 22, 2020 Posted May 22, 2020 I had those symptoms last year just after the switch to 1.5.80 As I recall, I had to uninstall either Opparco mfg command or MFG fix. weird thing is that I have both installed now, but I distinctly recall having to disable one or both of them to get things fixed. I also uninstalled OSex, as that was causing all sorts of problems with my game. I have not reinstalled that garbage (and I apologize to whomever authored it. it is garbage in my opinion because it totally f-ed my game). In fact I recall that OSEX was what caused the problem to show in the first place, although I don't recall the exact details surrounding it's "participation" in my failures. In any case I won't be installing it again. Never enjoyed its control interface anyway. Perhaps for those building animations ror making anime sex movies, but I don't build animations and I don't make anime sex movies (No kids, I'm not a prude. I have SL etc...) I also had to step back almost 40 levels to find a save that worked since OSex broke whatever it broke the moment it was installed (Level 16), although it only reared its head at level 52 after the 1.5.80 update (eyes were pointed up and left...erm right...erm left..erm idk right or left, shadows under the eyes, (and possibly above too...memory is a bit foggy), cheeks and mouth were weird with that blacking and would not animate I might suggest that if someone doesn't come along with a more authoritative answer, that you search bing, LL and nexus forum posts regarding your symptoms (with and without "OSEX" included) for the time period from around June 12019 through ~September 2019, as there was a reasonable amount of forum traffic on the subject back then at Nexus and perhaps here too. Sorry I can't offer much more. It's been almost a year since I resolved that issue. Best of luck
i eat legos Posted May 22, 2020 Author Posted May 22, 2020 2 hours ago, anjenthedog said: I had those symptoms last year just after the switch to 1.5.80 As I recall, I had to uninstall either Opparco mfg command or MFG fix. weird thing is that I have both installed now, but I distinctly recall having to disable one or both of them to get things fixed. I also uninstalled OSex, as that was causing all sorts of problems with my game. I have not reinstalled that garbage (and I apologize to whomever authored it. it is garbage in my opinion because it totally f-ed my game). In fact I recall that OSEX was what caused the problem to show in the first place, although I don't recall the exact details surrounding it's "participation" in my failures. In any case I won't be installing it again. Never enjoyed its control interface anyway. Perhaps for those building animations ror making anime sex movies, but I don't build animations and I don't make anime sex movies (No kids, I'm not a prude. I have SL etc...) I also had to step back almost 40 levels to find a save that worked since OSex broke whatever it broke the moment it was installed (Level 16), although it only reared its head at level 52 after the 1.5.80 update (eyes were pointed up and left...erm right...erm left..erm idk right or left, shadows under the eyes, (and possibly above too...memory is a bit foggy), cheeks and mouth were weird with that blacking and would not animate I might suggest that if someone doesn't come along with a more authoritative answer, that you search bing, LL and nexus forum posts regarding your symptoms (with and without "OSEX" included) for the time period from around June 12019 through ~September 2019, as there was a reasonable amount of forum traffic on the subject back then at Nexus and perhaps here too. Sorry I can't offer much more. It's been almost a year since I resolved that issue. Best of luck Huh wow. Removing both opparco mfg and mfg fix magically worked. Don't know why but my game is back to normal now. thanks a lot.
anjenthedog Posted May 22, 2020 Posted May 22, 2020 Thing is, I now have both REinstalled and active and things work. I have no idea what I did to regain them. (it's been a few months since I added opparco back into the mix... I think I did so on a gamble when some mod I wanted required it) (MY guess is that whatever crap happened between MFG Fix, Opparco, and OSEX got expunged over time or via clearing garbage using Fallrim Tools, but at the time I was doing that, things like fallrim were paint-by-numbers to me, so it's all fuzzy, since I really didn't know what I was doing at the time) Afaik, you are going to need at least one of them. (ie either MFG Fix or Opparco) . For me, the choice was clear MFG Fix, since it's the more fundamental of the two (although I could be wrong., I'm no expert, just a tenacious hack) Try reinstalling (not just reenabling) MFG Fix first. play for a while (I mean a whiliiiiiiiiile. like days or even weeks) and then and only then try reinstalling opparco But first. I'd like you to create a new save (with MFG FIX and Opparaco gone), exit the game, open Fallrim Tools (install it if you haven't already) perform garbage collection save to a new name (I often just use the original name and *prepend* the word "CLEANED_" to it so I can identify which one I've actually cleaned so if savefile name was Autosave3_00000000_0_536179616820542053656E6179612045766F50756666_Waterviewskyriminterior_320319_20200516035142_62_1 then resave (from Fallrim after purging the garbage) as CLEANED_Autosave3_00000000_0_536179616820542053656E6179612045766F50756666_Waterviewskyriminterior_320319_20200516035142_62_1 And only then reinstall MFG Fix. And then play for a Whiiiiiiiile using this Cleaned save (and its child saves as you progress) If you need a walkthrough on Fallrim tools use, spot back and I'll type something up. I don't want to if you're already familiar. Not lazy but I am doing other stuff right now. Good luck. Glad it's functional(ish)... again I think you'll need at least MFG Fix, so you're not done yet. AND you need to clean out the crap that's left over in your save file before you do so. ..... Oh. If you have more than one play vector, you need to do the same cleanup for each of them.
Fotogen Posted May 22, 2020 Posted May 22, 2020 Its not MFG fix mod. Not guilty. That mod fixes Skyrim facial expresion bugs. Some other mod is bugged, has created some sort of infinite loop, when handling custom facial expressions. Because of "mfg fix" type mod you can actually see the problem. But bug was there before. Its like you enter a room full of shit. And then you turn off the light. Hey, I fix it, no more shit. Well, no, shit still there, you just can't see it. A mod that changes facial expressions in a script. Personally I'd scan/search for scripts that call functions that can change facial expressions. If you can't do that, check mods description if it has something words like "improves" "facial" "expression". Another thing is, that scripts get stuck inside save file. Just disabling a mod wont remove scripts. You need to uninstall mod and then clean save file with ReSaver.
i eat legos Posted May 22, 2020 Author Posted May 22, 2020 3 hours ago, anjenthedog said: Thing is, I now have both REinstalled and active and things work. I have no idea what I did to regain them. (it's been a few months since I added opparco back into the mix... I think I did so on a gamble when some mod I wanted required it) (MY guess is that whatever crap happened between MFG Fix, Opparco, and OSEX got expunged over time or via clearing garbage using Fallrim Tools, but at the time I was doing that, things like fallrim were paint-by-numbers to me, so it's all fuzzy, since I really didn't know what I was doing at the time) Afaik, you are going to need at least one of them. (ie either MFG Fix or Opparco) . For me, the choice was clear MFG Fix, since it's the more fundamental of the two (although I could be wrong., I'm no expert, just a tenacious hack) Try reinstalling (not just reenabling) MFG Fix first. play for a while (I mean a whiliiiiiiiiile. like days or even weeks) and then and only then try reinstalling opparco But first. I'd like you to create a new save (with MFG FIX and Opparaco gone), exit the game, open Fallrim Tools (install it if you haven't already) perform garbage collection save to a new name (I often just use the original name and *prepend* the word "CLEANED_" to it so I can identify which one I've actually cleaned so if savefile name was Autosave3_00000000_0_536179616820542053656E6179612045766F50756666_Waterviewskyriminterior_320319_20200516035142_62_1 then resave (from Fallrim after purging the garbage) as CLEANED_Autosave3_00000000_0_536179616820542053656E6179612045766F50756666_Waterviewskyriminterior_320319_20200516035142_62_1 And only then reinstall MFG Fix. And then play for a Whiiiiiiiile using this Cleaned save (and its child saves as you progress) If you need a walkthrough on Fallrim tools use, spot back and I'll type something up. I don't want to if you're already familiar. Not lazy but I am doing other stuff right now. Good luck. Glad it's functional(ish)... again I think you'll need at least MFG Fix, so you're not done yet. AND you need to clean out the crap that's left over in your save file before you do so. ..... Oh. If you have more than one play vector, you need to do the same cleanup for each of them. Ok, i just did the clean up with Fallrim and made a CLEANED save and I will be playing on this CLEANED save for a while. So far, the game seems to be functional again and no face/eye flickering.
i eat legos Posted May 22, 2020 Author Posted May 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Fotogen said: Its not MFG fix mod. Not guilty. That mod fixes Skyrim facial expresion bugs. Some other mod is bugged, has created some sort of infinite loop, when handling custom facial expressions. Because of "mfg fix" type mod you can actually see the problem. But bug was there before. Its like you enter a room full of shit. And then you turn off the light. Hey, I fix it, no more shit. Well, no, shit still there, you just can't see it. A mod that changes facial expressions in a script. Personally I'd scan/search for scripts that call functions that can change facial expressions. If you can't do that, check mods description if it has something words like "improves" "facial" "expression". Another thing is, that scripts get stuck inside save file. Just disabling a mod wont remove scripts. You need to uninstall mod and then clean save file with ReSaver. I just made a clean save file with Fallrim resaver so i will see how it plays out.
anjenthedog Posted May 24, 2020 Posted May 24, 2020 On 5/22/2020 at 2:00 PM, i eat legos said: Ok, i just did the clean up with Fallrim and made a CLEANED save and I will be playing on this CLEANED save for a while. So far, the game seems to be functional again and no face/eye flickering. Good. Play for ~8-10 hours. make your save, clean it with fallrim, and go ahead and reinstall MFG fix, then see how that goes for a few days. Presuming you aren't using OSEX or have otherwise uninstalled it, (and cleaned up afterwards by the usual means etc) and that things are working well after reinstalling MFG fix, then I'd cleanup again and reinstall opparco. If you *do use OSEX, all bets are off.
OV3rP0w3R Posted October 10, 2020 Posted October 10, 2020 Apologies for reviving an old thread but this is like the top post on Google with similar symptoms to the issue I ran into and I thought this may help others. I ran into a similar issue as the original OP in SSE and spent a long time trying to hunt it down. While I didn't have the flickering, I had the issue where Lydia (but not myself or any other NPC) would occasional end up with a partial grey face based on outfit (looks like something was clipping through her face) and would not move her mouth when speaking. If you clipped into her while she was speaking, you could see that her teeth were moving but her mouth wasn't moving. She also didn't have any expressions and using console commands to adjust her expressions failed. I tried multiple mods (e.g., blushing when aroused, sexlab, mfg) with expression testing and they also could not force her face or expressions to change. I am over 500 manual saves in at level 77. I disabled every mod that changed Lydia and even with a vanilla face I had the symptoms. I went through all my saves going backwards (binary searched) and finally discovered something had happened to her between saves 50 and 51 while I was level 34. While examining the different saves in resaver, I even started deleting active scripts that were attached to her refid 000A2C94 and her baseid 000A2C8E . I also tried things like spawning a new copy of her in game using player.placeatme 000A2C8E and the clones had the same problem. I was able to eventually fix it using resaver by deleting her ChangeForms -> NPC_ -> NPC_ (Skyrim.esm) refid=DEFAULT:000a2c8e. I did not delete anything else like scripts/etc. This appears to effectively reset her character in game to when you first meet her. This will reset her inventory and any script progress you may have with her (amorous adventures, etc.) Before you do this, BACKUP your save, take all her gear, and dismiss her from any follower frameworks. NOTE: I am only reporting this after testing her dialogue to see if it fixed her lip sync. I haven't tested her extensively in game to see if this broke anything critical like her combat or if this will cause CTDs in random locations. I do not think this could be used on any NPC where quests or scripts are pending completion without seriously messing up your game. I will edit this post if I run into any major issues but thought I'd share this in case other people run into this and this led to other people figuring out other ways to fix it.
Aluviel Posted September 17, 2021 Posted September 17, 2021 Hello Everyone^^ When I had Osex my whole game flickerd and wouldnt load.. I cant sem to get sexlab to work period..Even when I uninstall it and re install I go into mgm menu in game and there isnt an install button there.. I scroll downto the debug (last option) hardly any animations there.. I have the sl animation loader and tons of Leito animations. latest version of sl framework and fnis for SE.. I have enabled and registered the mods over and over in game.. FNIS through vortex says they are there.. in game using the animation loader it reallyt does nothing.. According to all the videos on you tube I dont need it ?? If you want special ones like Leito you need it.. Any advice?
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