worik Posted May 17, 2020 Posted May 17, 2020 I have a question for the LL community about "nobility" in Tamriel and within the Aldmeri's society. In Cyrodiil, we have dedicated nobility, even with ranks: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Factions_N#Nobility We know that there are "nobles" in Skyrim. But except for the rank "Thane" I don't know if there are any more ranks and if this is more or less structured. Now, I have a few questions and would like to read any opion or get some links to more lore studies. Are there any nobility ranks in Hammerfell? What are they called? Are there any nobility ranks in High Rock? What are they called? Are there any nobility ranks with the Aldmeri? What are they called? The answers might mingle with military or religious ranks, but I feel that is a seperate question. ? Happy to get input ?
Guest Posted May 17, 2020 Posted May 17, 2020 I dont know, but I can input some of the historical stuff. A thane is equivalent to a thegn, which was the old saxon term for a knight. A knight could be entitled to some land, and thats why the thane can buy a house in Skyrim. Above the thane you had the hersir, similar to a baron, who ruled a hundred. A hundred had 100 hides, and a hide had, usually, 120 acres, but this varied between regions. After the hersir came the jarl, or earl, which is the equivalent of a count. He could have from two to ten hersirs. Then after the jarl came the hertog, or herzog, which was the equivalent of a duke, or dux. He held the same territory of a jarl, but had power over the other jarls. He hold professional, or semi-professional, armies (called a retinue), whereas counts and below would count on levies (from where came the term legion, ie, conscripts). Above the duke, came the king, and after the king, the emperor. Each one of these nobles had a household guard, which were called huskarls, whereas the non-guards were called husbands. A karl is someone from the artisan or merchant class who was conscripted into military service. Since he had more knowledge than a common soldier, he was made into a guard for the noble. Thats all I can say, but Bethesda is poor with historical stuff. They dont even know how to create a proper name for a settlement. For example, you have Riverwood in Skyrim, and Riverhold in Elsweyr. This just shows up how bad they are with sources, which also explains their poor writing. Good for us that this is compensated by the gorgeous graphics.
worik Posted May 17, 2020 Author Posted May 17, 2020 18 minutes ago, Tyrygosa said: Not sure how true it is to the official lore. At least it mimics the empire/Cyrodiil ? .. which I would take as a very plausible fallback from a mod author. I'd do the same, at least for Highrock. Beyond Reach ? https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/48467/
karlpaws Posted May 17, 2020 Posted May 17, 2020 You might see what ESO lists, as it would have the locations and political factions documented for both quest givers and targets. High Rock was many kingdoms (especially until the dragon break in that area) and there was a saying about finding a new hill and becoming a king. There is in the lore an approval of adventurers and a lot of upward mobility so that might make the ranks mean a little less if anyone can aspire to any rank and not be locked into where they are born or slight changes based on marriage. Hammerfell would be split between the city dwellers and the dessert nomads. I think you could ignore the sandwalkers for ranks, though I'm sure they'd have their own but cross-recognition might depend more on the person and what they want from whomever they're dealing with. IIRC there were also several kingdoms or city-states and their cooperation or lack of it in history lead to successes or failures in either conquering someone else or being conquered, especially relating to the Empire and Aldmeri. I know the Aldmeri have ranks, and a Queen or King (depending on the time) but I don't recall what kind of court. IIRC there were people in charge of the cities and surrounding area (for my little time playing ESO) so they might follow the Breton model.
worik Posted May 19, 2020 Author Posted May 19, 2020 On 5/17/2020 at 8:20 PM, karlpaws said: You might see what ESO lists I only know of https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Online as a consistent ressource. ? Do you have a URL for other good reading ?
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