Santr Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 No matter how far from enemies I summon them, they always run straight into melee and never launch their fire bolts. Considering how fragile they are, that makes them all but useless. At the same time, Flame Thrall doesn't have this problem - launches bolts and flames just fine. But that's a mid-late-game spell that I won't be having for a long time (got it through console for testing), so it isn't a solution. The only mod that does anything to Conjuration/Magic in my load order is Ordinator, which doesn't touch Flame Atronachs at all from what I can see. And checking through my load order with xEdit, the only thing that touches Flame Atronachs (NPC or Race) is "More Nasty Critters", which only gives them the "female" flag and nothing else. MNC also does the same to Flame Thralls, so it can't possibly be the cause. Any ideas? Why would Flame Thrall work fine while basic Flame Atronach won't? 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Fotogen Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 All actors, including summoned pets fight based on "Combat Style" settings. Combat style defines if NPC will use melee, ranged, magic, block and so on. Maybe one of your mods changed combat style that flame atronach uses?
Santr Posted January 16, 2020 Author Posted January 16, 2020 14 hours ago, Fotogen said: All actors, including summoned pets fight based on "Combat Style" settings. Combat style defines if NPC will use melee, ranged, magic, block and so on. Maybe one of your mods changed combat style that flame atronach uses? Checked it in xEdit: - Both Thrall and Atronach use the same combat style - csAtronachFlame [CSTY:00070FF9]. - Only mod that changes it is Smilodon, which tweaks some numbers. Uninstalling it according to instructions and using Fallrim Tools to clean unattached/undefined made no difference.
Uncle64 Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 If you start one new game do the same happen?
Santr Posted January 16, 2020 Author Posted January 16, 2020 6 hours ago, Uncle64 said: If you start one new game do the same happen? Started new game without Smilodon - yep, same thing happens. FT stays ranged, FA only does melee. PS: Added my load order to OP.
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