Elder scrolls Skyrim "PS3 oh no they didnt?!"

[Guest Lady Luck]

Rumor: Skyrim has two more DLCs coming, Bethesda unhappy over PS3 situation

 

 

With the release of Dragonborn for The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim on the Xbox 360 on Tuesday plus the confusion over PS3 DLC, people are understandably interested about what is going on inside Bethesda Softworks. That's why a post from a Redditor who claims to know one of the developers for the RPG caught our eye Thursday morning.

 

In the post, "MD_Stormcloak" says he went to college with one of the programmers and they still stay in contact frequently. Recent discussions between the two revealed that the issues with the Playstation 3 DLC is weighing heavily on the morale at the studios.

 

"They aren't being bribed by Microsoft, and they are just simply thumbing their noses at PS3 users," Stormcloak wrote. "[T]hey genuinely want to get the product out there and have simply been met with problem after problem. It isn't just one thing, it's a large number of issues that have acted as roadblocks to them releasing content on the PS3."

 

Once the issues with the Dawnguard and Hearthfire DLC on the PS3 are resolved, Bethesda plans two more expansions plus some free content enhancements similar to mounted combat. According to Stormcloack, "[T]he next DLC will explore the beginnings of the Nords and Skyrim's culture, as well as the Snow Elves and yes, even the Dwarves. The last DLC will involve the choosing of a new King of Skyrim and the war against the elves."

 

One of these DLC will reportedly include spears. Dragonborn introduced the ability to reset skills which will allow Bethesda to add the weapon and a new skill tree to Skyrim without short-changing high level players.

 

Interestingly, Stormcloak claims that some of the content added to Dragonborn was for the sake of PC modders. This includes all of the Morrowind themed architecture, items and creatures such as the Silt Strider. This also includes the Werebear as many Skyrim players have noted their frustration in not being able to turn into the creature similar to the Werewolf.

 

While we don't normally post rumors based on forum posts, we couldn't help but to take note of this one. It has a certain air of legitimacy to it especially as far as the Bethesda morale situation is concerned. We've witnessed Bethesda representatives repeatedly savaged on Twitter, Facebook and on forums by irate PS3 owners so we know that the issues has to weigh heavily on them.

 

Update: Bethesda programmer Ricardo Gonzalez threw a bucket of cold water on the Reddit rumor by writing, "Bethesda dev here. This is a mixture of half-truths gleaned from interviews and outright falsehoods. Best to just move on."

[Veta]

 

Interestingly' date=' Stormcloak claims that some of the content added to Dragonborn was for the sake of PC modders. This includes all of the Morrowind themed architecture, items and creatures such as the Silt Strider. This also includes the Werebear as many Skyrim players have noted their frustration in not being able to turn into the creature similar to the Werewolf.

 

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For the PC modders ? Bullshit, only the guys at skywind can use them and they have done most of those themselves ,they are just trying to take your money again ,also who the fuck cares about being a werebear ?

[leddis3]

Well regardless of what Bethesda think, the PS3 version is an afterthought and it shows.

Of course, the PC version is definitive, and however long we have to wait for official DLC pales in comparison to the mods we get. I mean god, there are mod "expansions" for Oblivion that put Shivering Isles to shame.

But the PS3 version literally has nothing. 360 has the timed exclusives, PC has the mods, PS3 has bugs and a badly optimised game. I feel sorry for anyone who bought it for the PS3, because it's a total con.

 

Just as an aside, in my opinion the fate of the Dwemer is one of those things that should never be touched, especially not in a DLC. The mystery will always be greater than whatever revelation they actually give.

[Kamen Rider Kuuga]

All I say is, if they really are snubbing the PS3, then all I can say is good. Because fuck SONY.

[Remy]

They reap what they sow, since they still use that old relic of an engine plus their coding was always a mess...serves them right i say.

 

And yeah "supporting modders" my ass...with skyrim, they gave a middle finger to modders, considering how much of the shit is hardcoded into the engine.

[Veta]

I fail to see why it is Sony's fault that bethesda cant make a stable game. I only have a Ps 1 but Sony deserves better than it's current state, while Microsoft is swimming in gold, when they both use the same marketing techniques and sony has a better console and better exclusives how is this happening ? It seems to me that the west advertises the 360 much more than the Ps 3.

[leddis3]

The PS3 is hard to code for. Do note the word hard. Not impossible.

Too many developers use this fact and try to twist it around to justify shitty ports which they of course charge full price for.

[Kamen Rider Kuuga]

SONY got itself into the state it is now. They have only themselves to blame.

 

Again, fuck SONY.

[Guest Lady Luck]

now you guys see why i fight bargain rights for pc this is why i been researching rumors after rumors these were made by other journalist that devs start to alienating shit and pisses me off too.

[Jexsam]

For the PC modders ? Bullshit' date=' only the guys at skywind can use them and they have done most of those themselves ,they are just trying to take your money again ,also who the fuck cares about being a werebear ?

 

How is it bullshit? Because one mod team already has most of them? What, you think people don't want or need Morrowind meshes for their own work?

 

Fuck you and your anti-modder attitude.

 

 

At any rate. I'd believe there's technical problems with the PS3, that they aren't just being dicks. You shouldn't assume malice where simple stupidity or incompetence makes far more sense. I could also believe that providing modders with more toys is part of the reason for Dragonborn, though I highly doubt it was a big reason. I figure, if anything, it was a "while we're at it..." decision.

 

I don't believe the DLC predictions for a second, though. One of them may be Thalmor-based, but I don't think Bethesda has the skill or patience to do a whole DLC based solely on the outcome of the Civil War. That said, I kinda hope they can manage it, and if they do, I hope they can let me make a grab for the throne. 'cause I'm the goddamn Dragonborn.

[Guest Lady Luck]

whoa calm down jexsam lets all discuss this topic without bloodshed * wink *

[Jexsam]

lol sorry.

 

Went back and added some actually relevant content to the post. Softens the blow, I hope. Just sometimes when I read something, my brain decides it'd be fantastic idea not to think before typing. <_<

[Guest Lady Luck]

lol sorry.

 

Went back and added some actually relevant content to the post. Softens the blow' date=' I hope. Just sometimes when I read something, my brain decides it'd be fantastic idea not to think before typing. <_<

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remember true nord don't feed the troll u know what happend when they wear armor " oh noeeess... " Lolol.

[Veta]

How is it bullshit? Because one mod team already has most of them? What' date=' you think people don't want or need Morrowind meshes for their own work?

 

Fuck you and your anti-modder attitude.

 

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No people need morrowind meshes what they dont need is the shity lies of bethesda, if they cared even the slightest about pc modders we wouldn't be playing a console port and we wouldn't have to use FNIS ,also if this was for the modders the resources would be free as a thank you from bethesda to it's active community which fixes all of their bugs, not having to pay 20 Euros = 26.9 dollars ,20 dollars = 14.8 Euros for every stupid Dlc .

 

Also last but not least ,Fuck you too kind sir.

[Remy]

How is it bullshit? Because one mod team already has most of them? What' date=' you think people don't want or need Morrowind meshes for their own work?

 

Fuck you and your anti-modder attitude.

 

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No people need morrowind meshes what they dont need is the shity lies of bethesda, if they cared even the slightest about pc modders we wouldn't be playing a console port and we wouldn't have to use FNIS ,also if this was for the modders the resources would be free as a thank you from bethesda to it's active community which fixes all of their bugs, not having to pay 20 Euros = 26.9 dollars ,20 dollars = 14.8 Euros for every stupid Dlc .

 

Also last but not least ,Fuck you too kind sir.

This! ^

 

Its really simple, they use the modding community to sell their dlcs, because if a few modders buy the dlc and release their mods, these mods will require the dlc to function, so you have to buy them.

 

They never supported the modding community.

[Guest Lady Luck]

and don't forget without modding community this game is garbage i have to be honest with you what made elder scrolls on pc are superior mods and gameplay change we can twist vanilla boring game play into epic experience.

 

but wait do i hype being modfan no , u see mod has its own flaw, conflict and bugs that we can't do nothing about it but wait there's construction set we can fix that problem the hard part is to detect bug on doing the cleaning is a bitch , but at the end who wins the part neither because console wins on framerate part , even with mods the pc version can be bitchy with sucky fps unless you have good pc that will make you quit complaining other then that it's true what everybody says that pc is giving the game itself rating like i said erlier without mods this game will be boring who wanted to play vanilla with sucky stats on their weapon or armor.

[dobmc]

Woah, guys language language! Your spewing too much profanity using the word "fuck". If you guys wanna have a gangbang do it in a club or something. We're all civilized people living in a civilized world so I suggest being civilized by having a civilized talk instead of insults and showing hostility. *Does a fist pump in the background*

 

 

Well I just wanted to say that the whole fury of flame was started due to PC players not getting the Dragonborn DLC in December during the christmas break. Their "reason" was because Dawnguard and Hearthfire were both considered a DLC(and by description, a DLC) and previously Bethesda(or Zenimax) had a contract with Microsoft to have a 30-day exclusive for the Xbox only for 2 Skyrim DLCs which by the looks, lied to the PC users.

The anger increased as the PS3 players joined in and expressed their extreme discomfort regarding as to getting no DLCs. Some users kindly asked the situation where others expressed anger and hate towards Bethesda and Microsoft.

Eethesda's reactions were brief. In the past Bethesda continuously told the PS3 users that the PS3 had tons of issues(probably because of porting from Xbox) with the DLCs until recently they announced the release and the discount for all the DLCs on the PS3. Dunno about the issues with the PC(if they even had).

 

My take on this? Bethesda probably didn't want to release Dragonborn during December to avoid Steam sales and to cover up their trails so that this goes unnoticed by the PC users. They made the Dragonborn release date in February where the PS3 DLCs would also be released... They did this by telling that Dragonborn will be released early 2013(sometime) for the PC(and the PS3 in addition) which at that time Bethesda still had "issues" with the PS3 and by my guess, had no problem with the PC version. My assumption that the release of the Dragonborn DLC on PC is linked with the issues with the PS3 and... for money.

 

 

So in summary Bethesda didn't want to release Dragonborn to avoid Steam sales but to make it unnoticed they wanted it to be released at relatively the same time with the PS3, but at that time they didn't know exactly when the issues with the PS3 would solve so they said "early 2013". Don't you think this is pretty convenient for a particular company? Yep, Microsoft. It all goes back to the contract Microsoft had with Zenimax. The contract description was probably "all" the Skyrim DLCs were 30-day exclusive for the Xbox. The PS3 issues seem so cheesy, especially when seeing other games(many) that are released on both consoles and PC and still do well on the PS3(don't know where you guys get all this information but I need "solid" evidence that the PS3 is a difficult console to code on and I mean this by not "Oh, because the developers said so" but probably its true). But in the end we got tricked by Microsoft, don't know if its a good decision they made but regardless we are getting our DLC 63 days late in February 5th. And for PS3 its "sometime in February"

 

Oh Steve Ballmer, your Bing, Vista, Kinect and Windows 8 undoubtedly represents how great you are for getting the bachelors degree for Economics and Mathematics from Harvard.

[Jexsam]

They never supported the modding community.

 

This is bullshit and you know it. They've never done anything to outright cheat modders and helped Steam pioneer their own mod distribution platform. Dunno about you but to me it sounds like they care a lot about letting people mod their game. They aren't that stupid' date=' they know mods are a big part of the draw for their PC versions. They don't go out of their way to help modders, sure, but they support us plenty by providing the tools to start with and opening up new avenues through which they can be spread.

 

"Oh but you have to pay for DLC to get new assets." No, really!? You have to [i']pay[/i] for DLC!? Of course you have to pay for DLC, if they gave big addons like Dragonborn out for free the company would go under or sell itself to some shitty publisher. No business in their right mind just hands out assets.

 

Ugh. It's okay to want and ask for improvements to what you've got, but to spit on what you're given when they never had to give it to you to start with in just ungrateful.

[Veta]

We're all civilized people living in a civilized world so I suggest being civilized by having a civilized talk instead of insults and showing hostility.

 

 

 

 

Fuck you too kind sir.

 

I did say kind sir

 

 

 

 

but wait do i hype being modfan no ' date=' u see mod has its own flaw, conflict and bugs that we can't do nothing about it but wait there's construction set we can fix that problem the hard part is to detect bug on doing the cleaning is a bitch , but at the end who wins the part neither because console wins on framerate part , even with mods the pc version can be bitchy with sucky fps unless you have good pc that will make you quit complaining other then that it's true what everybody says that pc is giving the game itself rating like i said erlier without mods this game will be boring who wanted to play vanilla with sucky stats on their weapon or armor.

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Domgar that is a very debatable thing you say ,the frame rate of the pc is so because they ran the game better than consoles if they both run at the same display settings the pc would win again.

[Jexsam]

*conspiracy!?*

 

I'm honestly not sure how I feel about the whole DLC thing.

 

If you ask me, I think, most likely, legalese contract fuckery is to blame for Dragonborn's "delay". The contract calls for two DLC's to meet the requirement. While we, on the outside, with no or minimal game industry internal knowledge or knowledge of the terminology used internally, look at Dawnguard and Hearthfire and say ZOMG TWO DLC'S, their hired suits might disagree. When you look at Hearthfire's files, that aren't labeled as DLC like Dawnguard was. (DLC1, IIRC). I don't know about you, but if I was a greedy dick looking to exploit a loophole, I'd look at that and say "Well if it isn't labeled DLC, it doesn't count." Gotta be Microsoft gripping Bethesda by the balls. But, we won't know for sure until the next big DLC release.

 

As for the PS3? Tough call, but seeing as how they were on time for their XBox and PC releases for all the other DLC, and how PS3 Skyrim has always been more of a mess than PC and XBox versions put together, I'd bet they're telling the truth, or most of it anyway, when they say "It's hard to code PS3! *insert baby crying sound*". If it was easy they wouldn't have let themselves lose so much money by supporting it so poorly.

[Guest Lady Luck]

We're all civilized people living in a civilized world so I suggest being civilized by having a civilized talk instead of insults and showing hostility.

 

 

 

 

Fuck you too kind sir.

 

I did say kind sir

 

 

 

 

but wait do i hype being modfan no ' date=' u see mod has its own flaw, conflict and bugs that we can't do nothing about it but wait there's construction set we can fix that problem the hard part is to detect bug on doing the cleaning is a bitch , but at the end who wins the part neither because console wins on framerate part , even with mods the pc version can be bitchy with sucky fps unless you have good pc that will make you quit complaining other then that it's true what everybody says that pc is giving the game itself rating like i said erlier without mods this game will be boring who wanted to play vanilla with sucky stats on their weapon or armor.

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Domgar that is a very debatable thing you say ,the frame rate of the pc is so because they ran the game better than consoles if they both run at the same display settings the pc would win again.

 

correction , don't you learn from pc thread that i made? , remember it depends on your card try play pentium 4 and have 215mb graphic card and see how many fps you got " just to tease you " , ok let's take a bit modern hardware , how many gpu can handle games like skyrim 52% , even with the modern pc , certain pc owner played it on integrated graphics card and didn't have satisfying result , they can't afford advanced gpu like some of us did , that is why some prefer console because cpu is meant for enthusiastic gamer with money alot of money it's like buying lamborgini when it comes to pc i spent around 5,000$ to get top notch pcs with terra byte hardware.

 

so in conclusion it's neither when it comes to elder scrolls if you want to enjoy full experience on pc be prepared to spent $$$.

[Remy]

They never supported the modding community.

 

This is bullshit and you know it. They've never done anything to outright cheat modders and helped Steam pioneer their own mod distribution platform. Dunno about you but to me it sounds like they care a lot about letting people mod their game. They aren't that stupid' date=' they know mods are a big part of the draw for their PC versions. They don't go out of their way to help modders, sure, but they support us plenty by providing the tools to start with and opening up new avenues through which they can be spread.

 

"Oh but you have to pay for DLC to get new assets." No, really!? You have to [i']pay[/i] for DLC!? Of course you have to pay for DLC, if they gave big addons like Dragonborn out for free the company would go under or sell itself to some shitty publisher. No business in their right mind just hands out assets.

 

Ugh. It's okay to want and ask for improvements to what you've got, but to spit on what you're given when they never had to give it to you to start with in just ungrateful.

What pc version, they didnt even cared to make a proper pc UI ffs, what game are you playing huh?

 

Again what use are the tools when alot of shit is hardcoded, modders have to make workarrounds so it even works, that you call support?!

 

Seems you dont get it, if a mod has some parts of a dlc, isnt based on the dlc, but some parts are required, you have to buy it regardless.

Im not saying that everything they do is to milk us, i get it making money is what this business is about, what i dont like is the way its beeing done!

[Kamen Rider Kuuga]

This is why I don't use mods that require DLC I don't own, nor do I want to own, even if it looks amazing. Example Hearthfire; I have no interest in owning that, and I will NOT buy it because some modder decided to use its resources.

 

And of course everything they do is to milk us; that's what DLC is!

[Stout]

DLC - Milkers: insert your titties here <( o )( o )>, that's for shure`. *Grin*

"Bethesda is a great support for modders" - did you say something, or did you just fart? *Grin*

Bethesda released kits, nothing else, great stuff like blender and script extenders came from random programmers, alongside with other work arounds. And what Beth was mentioned, Bethesda softworks, or Bethesda game studios? And Beth isn't independant, they are a property of Zenimax. Yeah, they aren't stupid, you are. *Grin* Ow me, ow my, I'm insulting someone, so exciting~!

This thread has no point, looks just like market boasting, - "No they are fresh; nay, smell 'em". Last phase of nerd shapeshifting. Who cares about dls and this shitty game, like it?, play it, don't post everywhere how great it is. Simple. Sheesh, nerds this days. *Grin*

[Guest Lady Luck]

also nerd would reply " this argument is preposterous " XD