Jettrail Posted September 22, 2019 Posted September 22, 2019 Yesterday i installed a few new mods (Vigilant of Stendarr SE, Facelight SE, Skyrim Speacial Edition Super ENB, NoOverpenetration and SLAL Nibbles Animation Pack). I made usre that all are installed correctly (and yes, i ran FNIS) but since then my game has been crashing in the loading screen. Ive already tried disabling all mods, deleteing the ENB and deleting the aniamtions. I also tried to verify the game cache but nothing worked so far and i honestly dont know what the problem is which makes it a lot harder to find the solution. Can someone please help me out? The game worked fine before btw
JRCosta Posted September 22, 2019 Posted September 22, 2019 Hi! CTD at loading screen usually could be from a number of reasons; since you removed all the mods and checked the files integrity via Steam, try to move your Skyrim.ini and SkyrimPrefs.ini from \documents\my games\Skyrim special edition\ folder and launch the game, to create new .ini files.  Edit: just saw now that you found the culprit. Mark as [solved] please
Jettrail Posted September 22, 2019 Author Posted September 22, 2019 47 minutes ago, JRCosta said: Hi! CTD at loading screen usually could be from a number of reasons; since you removed all the mods and checked the files integrity via Steam, try to move your Skyrim.ini and SkyrimPrefs.ini from \documents\my games\Skyrim special edition\ folder and launch the game, to create new .ini files.  Edit: just saw now that you found the culprit. Mark as [solved] please Yeah it did work, then i ran FNIS because the the char was in A-Pose and now its not working again and i am back to square one oof Edit: Tried your solution, sadly didnt help
JRCosta Posted September 22, 2019 Posted September 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Jettrail said: Yeah it did work, then i ran FNIS because the the char was in A-Pose and now its not working again and i am back to square one oof Edit: Tried your solution, sadly didnt help Alright, let's keep trying. You are using SKSE. The game launches without SKSE, directly from Steam/SkyrimSELauncher.exe?Â
Jettrail Posted September 22, 2019 Author Posted September 22, 2019 2 hours ago, JRCosta said: Alright, let's keep trying. You are using SKSE. The game launches without SKSE, directly from Steam/SkyrimSELauncher.exe? I start the game with SKSE in Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim SE
JRCosta Posted September 23, 2019 Posted September 23, 2019 9 hours ago, Jettrail said: I start the game with SKSE in Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim SE Ok, but the games launches directly with SkyrimSELauncher.exe (without using SKSE), this is to check if you have any error concerning your SKSE setup or related plugins.Â
Psalam Posted September 23, 2019 Posted September 23, 2019 I know you said you ran FNIS but your problem still might be too many animations. Would you be so kind as to post your FNIS output here (this normally begins with a description of your skeleton and ends with the number of animations successfully loaded. Simply copy the output and paste it here - preferably in a spoiler).
Jettrail Posted September 23, 2019 Author Posted September 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Psalam said: I know you said you ran FNIS but your problem still might be too many animations. Would you be so kind as to post your FNIS output here (this normally begins with a description of your skeleton and ends with the number of animations successfully loaded. Simply copy the output and paste it here - preferably in a spoiler). I can do that later, i am at work rn
Jettrail Posted September 23, 2019 Author Posted September 23, 2019 2 hours ago, JRCosta said: Ok, but the games launches directly with SkyrimSELauncher.exe (without using SKSE), this is to check if you have any error concerning your SKSE setup or related plugins. Wdym exactly, i start the game with the skse_loader file
Psalam Posted September 23, 2019 Posted September 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jettrail said: I can do that later, i am at work rn Yeah, me too!
JRCosta Posted September 23, 2019 Posted September 23, 2019 4 hours ago, Jettrail said: Wdym exactly, i start the game with the skse_loader file Start the game from SkyrimSELauncher.exe instead of SKSE.
Jettrail Posted September 23, 2019 Author Posted September 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, JRCosta said: Start the game from SkyrimSELauncher.exe instead of SKSE. You mean the regular Skyrim SE Steam Launcher?
Jettrail Posted September 23, 2019 Author Posted September 23, 2019 4 hours ago, Psalam said: Yeah, me too! FNIS Behavior V7.4.5 XXL  23.09.2019 18:04:02 Skyrim SE 64bit: 1.5.80.0 - C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Skyrim Special Edition\ (Steam) Skeleton(hkx) female: XPMS2HDT (115 bones)  male: XPMS2HDT (115 bones) Patch: "SKELETON Arm Fix" Reading AnimationsByLeito V1.0 ... Reading AnimationsByLeito_Aggressive V1.0 ... Reading AnimationsByLeito_Creatures V1.0 ... Reading AnimationsByLeito_Furniture V1.0 ... Reading Anubs Human V1.0 ... >>Warning: AnimationList found in "Animations\APPS", but no corresponding Behavior file. Incomplete mod IGNORED.<< Reading Beastess V0.1 ... Reading Billyy_Creature V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureBeasts V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_Human V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_HumanDD V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_HumanLesbian V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_Legacy V1.0 ... Reading DD V4.0.0 ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 493 alternate animations) ... Reading DD2 V4.0.0 ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 330 alternate animations) ... Reading DD3 V4.1.0 ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 102 alternate animations) ... Reading DDSL V4.0.0 ... >>Warning: AnimationList found in "Animations\debauchery", but no corresponding Behavior file. Incomplete mod IGNORED.<< Reading Defeat V5 ( 0 furniture, 2 offset, 3 paired, 1 kill, 0 chair, 0 alternate animations) ... >>Warning: AnimationList found in "Animations\DeviousFollowers", but no corresponding Behavior file. Incomplete mod IGNORED.<< Reading Deviously Cursed Loot V6.3 ( 0 furniture, 1 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 0 alternate animations) ... Reading EstrusChaurus V4.34 ... Reading FNISBase V7.4.5 ... Reading FNISCreatureVersion V7.0 ... Reading FNISSexyMove V7.2 ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 18 alternate animations) ... Reading FunnyBizAmp V8.0 ... Reading FunnyBizBeastly V1.0 ... Reading FunnyBizBound V12.0 ... Reading FunnyBizFC V10.0 ... Reading FunnyBizFemDom V1.0 ... Reading FunnyBizFun V12.0 ... Reading FunnyBizGroup V8.0 ... Reading FunnyBizGuro V5.0 ... Reading FunnyBizLover V7.0 ... Reading FunnyBizMC V1.0 ... Reading FunnyBizMolag V1.0 ... Reading FunnyBizMtb V3.0 ... Reading FunnyBizNecro V10.0 ... Reading FunnyBizRape V11.0 ... Reading FunnyBizUn V12.0 ... Reading Hentaipregnancy V1.00 ... >>Warning: AnimationList found in "Animations\isleofmaraslal", but no corresponding Behavior file. Incomplete mod IGNORED.<< >>Warning: AnimationList found in "Animations\ITortureFramework", but no corresponding Behavior file. Incomplete mod IGNORED.<< Reading Lola V?.? ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 19 alternate animations) ... Reading MME V6.07 ( 2 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 0 alternate animations) ... Reading MoreNastyCritters V1.0 ... Reading ProxyAnims V1.0 ... >>Warning: AnimationList found in "Animations\RidingStyles", but no corresponding Behavior file. Incomplete mod IGNORED.<< Reading RydinAnimationPack V0.5 ... Reading SexLab V1.63 ... Reading SexLabAP V1.63 ... Reading SexLabAroused V2.9 ... Reading SexLabCreature V1.63 ... >>Warning: AnimationList found in "Animations\SexLabDisparity", but no corresponding Behavior file. Incomplete mod IGNORED.<< Reading SkyrimChainBeasts V?.? ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 68 alternate animations) ... Reading SlaverunReloaded V1.00 ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 36 alternate animations) ... >>Warning: AnimationList found in "Animations\TropicalIsland", but no corresponding Behavior file. Incomplete mod IGNORED.<< >>Warning: AnimationList found in "Animations\TropicalIslandFurniture", but no corresponding Behavior file. Incomplete mod IGNORED.<< >>Warning: AnimationList found in "Animations\TropicalIslandSolo", but no corresponding Behavior file. Incomplete mod IGNORED.<< Reading XPMSE V7.2 ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 164 alternate animations) ... Reading ZaZAnimationPack V7.00 ( 26 furniture, 29 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 0 alternate animations) ... Reading zzEstrus V2.30 ( 0 furniture, 1 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 12 alternate animations) ... All Anim Lists scanned. Generating Behavior Files... Alternate Animation mods: 10 sets: 77 total groups: 345 added file slots: 2527 alternate files: 1242 Create Creature Behaviors ... Reading MoreNastyCritters V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_Creature V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureBeasts V1.0 ... Reading FunnyBizFC V1.0 ... Reading FunnyBizMC V1.0 ... Reading NibblesAnims_Creature V1.0 ... Reading SexLabCreature V1.63 ... Reading AnimationsByLeito_Creatures V1.0 ... Reading NibblesAnims_Creature_Object V1.0 ... Reading RydinAnimationPack V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_Legacy V1.0 ...  10603 animations for 52 mods successfully included (character).  3176 animations for 11 mods and 39 creatures successfully included..  10 Warning(s). Â
Psalam Posted September 23, 2019 Posted September 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jettrail said: FNIS Behavior V7.4.5 XXL  23.09.2019 18:04:02 Skyrim SE 64bit: 1.5.80.0 - C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Skyrim Special Edition\ (Steam) Skeleton(hkx) female: XPMS2HDT (115 bones)  male: XPMS2HDT (115 bones) Patch: "SKELETON Arm Fix" Reading AnimationsByLeito V1.0 ... Reading AnimationsByLeito_Aggressive V1.0 ... Reading AnimationsByLeito_Creatures V1.0 ... Reading AnimationsByLeito_Furniture V1.0 ... Reading Anubs Human V1.0 ... >>Warning: AnimationList found in "Animations\APPS", but no corresponding Behavior file. Incomplete mod IGNORED.<< Reading Beastess V0.1 ... Reading Billyy_Creature V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureBeasts V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_Human V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_HumanDD V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_HumanLesbian V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_Legacy V1.0 ... Reading DD V4.0.0 ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 493 alternate animations) ... Reading DD2 V4.0.0 ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 330 alternate animations) ... Reading DD3 V4.1.0 ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 102 alternate animations) ... Reading DDSL V4.0.0 ... >>Warning: AnimationList found in "Animations\debauchery", but no corresponding Behavior file. Incomplete mod IGNORED.<< Reading Defeat V5 ( 0 furniture, 2 offset, 3 paired, 1 kill, 0 chair, 0 alternate animations) ... >>Warning: AnimationList found in "Animations\DeviousFollowers", but no corresponding Behavior file. Incomplete mod IGNORED.<< Reading Deviously Cursed Loot V6.3 ( 0 furniture, 1 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 0 alternate animations) ... Reading EstrusChaurus V4.34 ... Reading FNISBase V7.4.5 ... Reading FNISCreatureVersion V7.0 ... Reading FNISSexyMove V7.2 ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 18 alternate animations) ... Reading FunnyBizAmp V8.0 ... Reading FunnyBizBeastly V1.0 ... Reading FunnyBizBound V12.0 ... Reading FunnyBizFC V10.0 ... Reading FunnyBizFemDom V1.0 ... Reading FunnyBizFun V12.0 ... Reading FunnyBizGroup V8.0 ... Reading FunnyBizGuro V5.0 ... Reading FunnyBizLover V7.0 ... Reading FunnyBizMC V1.0 ... Reading FunnyBizMolag V1.0 ... Reading FunnyBizMtb V3.0 ... Reading FunnyBizNecro V10.0 ... Reading FunnyBizRape V11.0 ... Reading FunnyBizUn V12.0 ... Reading Hentaipregnancy V1.00 ... >>Warning: AnimationList found in "Animations\isleofmaraslal", but no corresponding Behavior file. Incomplete mod IGNORED.<< >>Warning: AnimationList found in "Animations\ITortureFramework", but no corresponding Behavior file. Incomplete mod IGNORED.<< Reading Lola V?.? ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 19 alternate animations) ... Reading MME V6.07 ( 2 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 0 alternate animations) ... Reading MoreNastyCritters V1.0 ... Reading ProxyAnims V1.0 ... >>Warning: AnimationList found in "Animations\RidingStyles", but no corresponding Behavior file. Incomplete mod IGNORED.<< Reading RydinAnimationPack V0.5 ... Reading SexLab V1.63 ... Reading SexLabAP V1.63 ... Reading SexLabAroused V2.9 ... Reading SexLabCreature V1.63 ... >>Warning: AnimationList found in "Animations\SexLabDisparity", but no corresponding Behavior file. Incomplete mod IGNORED.<< Reading SkyrimChainBeasts V?.? ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 68 alternate animations) ... Reading SlaverunReloaded V1.00 ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 36 alternate animations) ... >>Warning: AnimationList found in "Animations\TropicalIsland", but no corresponding Behavior file. Incomplete mod IGNORED.<< >>Warning: AnimationList found in "Animations\TropicalIslandFurniture", but no corresponding Behavior file. Incomplete mod IGNORED.<< >>Warning: AnimationList found in "Animations\TropicalIslandSolo", but no corresponding Behavior file. Incomplete mod IGNORED.<< Reading XPMSE V7.2 ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 164 alternate animations) ... Reading ZaZAnimationPack V7.00 ( 26 furniture, 29 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 0 alternate animations) ... Reading zzEstrus V2.30 ( 0 furniture, 1 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 12 alternate animations) ... All Anim Lists scanned. Generating Behavior Files... Alternate Animation mods: 10 sets: 77 total groups: 345 added file slots: 2527 alternate files: 1242 Create Creature Behaviors ... Reading MoreNastyCritters V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_Creature V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureBeasts V1.0 ... Reading FunnyBizFC V1.0 ... Reading FunnyBizMC V1.0 ... Reading NibblesAnims_Creature V1.0 ... Reading SexLabCreature V1.63 ... Reading AnimationsByLeito_Creatures V1.0 ... Reading NibblesAnims_Creature_Object V1.0 ... Reading RydinAnimationPack V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_Legacy V1.0 ...  10603 animations for 52 mods successfully included (character).  3176 animations for 11 mods and 39 creatures successfully included..  10 Warning(s).  By my calculations you are just barely OVER the limit. Eliminate some animations and try starting over again (after running FNIS again of course). I'll bet you won't CTD.
Jettrail Posted September 23, 2019 Author Posted September 23, 2019 I am using the XXL version, isnt the limit 15000 then?
Jettrail Posted September 23, 2019 Author Posted September 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, Psalam said: By my calculations you are just barely OVER the limit. Eliminate some animations and try starting over again (after running FNIS again of course). I'll bet you won't CTD. ANimations are in meshes/actors/character/animations right?
Psalam Posted September 23, 2019 Posted September 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jettrail said: I am using the XXL version, isnt the limit 15000 then? FNIS can load up to almost 30000 animations. However, the Skyrim game can only handle about 14000 effective animations (animations + 3*alternate animations + 0.5*poses). Yours is just over that limit. Anyway, even if you don;t believe me, try it. What do you have to lose but about 5 minutes of time.
Jettrail Posted September 23, 2019 Author Posted September 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Psalam said: FNIS can load up to almost 30000 animations. However, the Skyrim game can only handle about 14000 effective animations (animations + 3*alternate animations + 0.5*poses). Yours is just over that limit. Anyway, even if you don;t believe me, try it. What do you have to lose but about 5 minutes of time. I have to be under 10k right?
Psalam Posted September 23, 2019 Posted September 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jettrail said: I have to be under 10k right? ' 2 minutes ago, Jettrail said: I have to be under 10k right? No, that is old thinking. Look at what I said above: Â "the Skyrim game can only handle about 14000 effective animations (animations + 3*alternate animations + 0.5*poses)" Â I think if you got rid of 500-1000 animations your game would work just fine. In my blog on CTDs (information in my signature below) you can trace the history of "too many animations" to the current time if you're bored (or just interested).
Jettrail Posted September 23, 2019 Author Posted September 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, Psalam said: ' No, that is old thinking. Look at what I said above: Â "the Skyrim game can only handle about 14000 effective animations (animations + 3*alternate animations + 0.5*poses)" Â I think if you got rid of 500-1000 animations your game would work just fine. In my blog on CTDs (information in my signature below) you can trace the history of "too many animations" to the current time if you're bored (or just interested). Ok are SLAL animations also part of the 10.5k animations or just whats in meshes? Â Edit: Nvm im dumb, just meshes. Having a hard time finding a mod that gets rid off enough anims tho
Psalam Posted September 23, 2019 Posted September 23, 2019 Just now, Jettrail said: Ok are SLAL animations also part of the 10.5k animations or just whats in meshes? If you look at your FNIS output above there are two relevant numbers. The first is near the bottom where it says 10603 animations for 52 mods, etc. The second is thirteen (I think) lines above it where, at the end of the line it says "alternate files: 1242". Just completely ignore creature animations for this calculation. This means that you have 10603 + 3*1242 (3716) for a total of 14319 effective animations. That is, as I've said before, JUST over the limit of 14000 effective animations. You should not need to eliminate much to get your game up and running.
Jettrail Posted September 23, 2019 Author Posted September 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Psalam said: If you look at your FNIS output above there are two relevant numbers. The first is near the bottom where it says 10603 animations for 52 mods, etc. The second is thirteen (I think) lines above it where, at the end of the line it says "alternate files: 1242". Just completely ignore creature animations for this calculation. This means that you have 10603 + 3*1242 (3716) for a total of 14319 effective animations. That is, as I've said before, JUST over the limit of 14000 effective animations. You should not need to eliminate much to get your game up and running. Ok i am at 10.1k now, i'll try to start the game now
Jettrail Posted September 23, 2019 Author Posted September 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, Psalam said: If you look at your FNIS output above there are two relevant numbers. The first is near the bottom where it says 10603 animations for 52 mods, etc. The second is thirteen (I think) lines above it where, at the end of the line it says "alternate files: 1242". Just completely ignore creature animations for this calculation. This means that you have 10603 + 3*1242 (3716) for a total of 14319 effective animations. That is, as I've said before, JUST over the limit of 14000 effective animations. You should not need to eliminate much to get your game up and running. Alright its working again, thank you very much!
Psalam Posted September 23, 2019 Posted September 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jettrail said: Alright its working again, thank you very much! You're very welcome. As I am fond of saying I will take any gratitude that you think I've earned in likes. That's the green thumbs-up button found in the bottom right hand corner of any post. It is grayed out until you hover over it and click it. By the way, you can also like mods here on LL. Just go back to the page where you downloaded the mod and scroll down until you get to the end of the mod's description. In fact, it is usually easier to find that one than the ones here in posts because there is normally a green counter associated with it where other have been there before it. I know the mods authors appreciate the feedback.
Jettrail Posted September 23, 2019 Author Posted September 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Psalam said: You're very welcome. As I am fond of saying I will take any gratitude that you think I've earned in likes. That's the green thumbs-up button found in the bottom right hand corner of any post. It is grayed out until you hover over it and click it. By the way, you can also like mods here on LL. Just go back to the page where you downloaded the mod and scroll down until you get to the end of the mod's description. In fact, it is usually easier to find that one than the ones here in posts because there is normally a green counter associated with it where other have been there before it. I know the mods authors appreciate the feedback. Alright liked your comment, no problem
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