best graphic cards for Skyrim LE?

[faky]

9 hours ago, Aslan. said:

Hey faky thanks for that!

 

I was planning to upgrade my CPU as well, but i don't have a big budget, i was thinking about the AMD ryzen 5 3600, found it for about 150$ new on ebay, you think is a good one?

 

I've compared my AMD 8350 with this one on Userbenchmark.com and the difference is BIG (of course), in term of performance/price, it seems the best choice for me right now, but i could be wrong.

 

Also i think i'll need another PSU, maybe an 600/700 watt?

 

My actual PSU is 450 watts, i don't think is enough for a gtx 1080 ti.

 

ryzen 5 3600 is being praised by literally everyone (and im planning on buying it myself) - it has great single core performance and insane value (also apparently userbenchmark is not a reputable site to check those things) - not as good as 9900k but only 40% of it's price....well, less than 30% if you can get ryzen for 150$ (it's a new part and costs 200$ from manufacturer, price drop this soon appears somewhat odd) and that's not counting the motherboard price

 

 

1080ti has 250w TDP according to specs, fx-8350 has 125w TDP so that's 375w already (add 5 for motherboard, a little bit for fans, drives, memory and efficiency), ryzen 3600 has 65w TDP

according to PSU calculator you'd be maxing out that PSU even with ryzen (under full load) so 600w one looks like a safe bet

Spoiler

this was the first link on google to PSU calc

https://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator

 

[MadMansGun]

21 minutes ago, faky said:

 

ryzen 5 3600 is being praised by literally everyone (and im planning on buying it myself) - it has great single core performance and insane value (also apparently userbenchmark is not a reputable site to check those things) - not as good as 9900k but only 40% of it's price....well, less than 30% if you can get ryzen for 150$ (it's a new part and costs 200$ from manufacturer, price drop this soon appears somewhat odd) and that's not counting the motherboard price

+ the intels don't come with a heat sink.....but however the extra cost of the X570 motherboards, 3600MHz ram and a PSU with 2 EPS Connectors seems to completely offset that and then some.

 

 

[faky]

1 hour ago, MadMansGun said:

+ the intels don't come with a heat sink.....but however the extra cost of the X570 motherboards, 3600MHz ram and a PSU with 2 EPS Connectors seems to completely offset that and then some.

 

 

ryzen 3000 still uses AM4 socket (same as ryzen 1, 2 and even some older cpu) so you can stick that 3600 on even a320 motherboard (!) and it will still run fine

with intel 9900k you'd need a higher end motherboard and really good cooler so the associated costs are way higher than smaller, current gen ryzens

 

as for RAM scaling yes, it is a thing... but you dont necessarily need 3600MHz low latency to get good results. you can achieve similar results with "slow" low-latency RAM or fast higher latency ram. ltt did a solid vid on that:

Spoiler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHJ16hD4ysk

difference isnt that big to begin with and in my opinion does not justify the big price premium for high end RAM sticks.

 

what OP needs to remember though is that his 8350 uses older socket so he will need a different motherboard to use with ryzen (AM4 socket). like b450 board (although i've seen someone try ryzen 3600 on a320 board and it worked great). those can be found for around 70$. keep in mind that you might need to ask the board seller for a BIOS update

aaaalso that 8350 seems to work on DDR3 ram while ryzen uses DDR4 so new memory would be required as well

 

im currently picking parts for a very similar build centered around r5 3600 myself

[Aslan.]

4 hours ago, faky said:

ryzen 3000 still uses AM4 socket (same as ryzen 1, 2 and even some older cpu) so you can stick that 3600 on even a320 motherboard (!) and it will still run fine

with intel 9900k you'd need a higher end motherboard and really good cooler so the associated costs are way higher than smaller, current gen ryzens

 

as for RAM scaling yes, it is a thing... but you dont necessarily need 3600MHz low latency to get good results. you can achieve similar results with "slow" low-latency RAM or fast higher latency ram. ltt did a solid vid on that:

  Reveal hidden contents

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHJ16hD4ysk

difference isnt that big to begin with and in my opinion does not justify the big price premium for high end RAM sticks.

 

what OP needs to remember though is that his 8350 uses older socket so he will need a different motherboard to use with ryzen (AM4 socket). like b450 board (although i've seen someone try ryzen 3600 on a320 board and it worked great). those can be found for around 70$. keep in mind that you might need to ask the board seller for a BIOS update

aaaalso that 8350 seems to work on DDR3 ram while ryzen uses DDR4 so new memory would be required as well

 

im currently picking parts for a very similar build centered around r5 3600 myself

This is an important information thank you very much, this is the first time i build a machine on my own so i don't really know what to look for, i'm reading a lot of things here and there, I often read conflicting opinion about things i don't even understand hahah so slowly i'll try to understand how everything works.

 

Anyway this is my actual motherboard:

 

Gigabyte GA-78Lmt-USB3  AM3+

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-78LMT-USB3-rev-60#ov

 

So from what i've understood, it will be better to replace my MB in the first place, and then proceed with the ryzen CPU.

 

Ok this is what i will do:

 

First installing a new PSU, found this one, 700w, seems good 

https://www.amazon.it/dp/B01N7A875X/ref=pe_3310731_185740161_TE_item

 

Then of course installing the GTX 1080 ti and see if just like that i'll get what i need (this motherfucker costs me a big part of my damn savings)

 

And then if, for some incredible reason :), this isn't enough, and if i have enough money, in the next months i'll get a new motherboard in order to be able to use the Ryzen 5 3600.

 

Then i'll go kill myself for spending all my money for a stupid machine that i already hate hahah.

[faky]

30 minutes ago, Aslan. said:

This is an important information thank you very much, this is the first time i build a machine on my own so i don't really know what to look for, i'm reading a lot of things here and there, I often read conflicting opinion about things i don't even understand hahah so slowly i'll try to understand how everything works.

 

Anyway this is my actual motherboard:

 

Gigabyte GA-78Lmt-USB3  AM3+

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-78LMT-USB3-rev-60#ov

 

So from what i've understood, it will be better to replace my MB in the first place, and then proceed with the ryzen CPU.

 

Ok this is what i will do:

 

First installing a new PSU, found this one, 700w, seems good 

https://www.amazon.it/dp/B01N7A875X/ref=pe_3310731_185740161_TE_item

 

Then of course installing the GTX 1080 ti and see if just like that i'll get what i need (this motherfucker costs me a big part of my damn savings)

 

And then if, for some incredible reason :), this isn't enough, and if i have enough money, in the next months i'll get a new motherboard in order to be able to use the Ryzen 5 3600.

 

Then i'll go kill myself for spending all my money for a stupid machine that i already hate hahah.

 

to upgrade to ryzen 3600 you will need new motherboard + RAM (memory) (because new CPU wont fit on the old motherboard and old RAM wont fit on new motherboard)

 

once you install the new GPU and PSU think about downloading some programs to monitor your CPU and GPU load  (preferably with an overlay in-game) -> then if your CPU is around 100% and GPU is not that means you are bottlenecked (slowed down) by the CPU. if GPU is around 100% and CPU is not then you're "slowed down" by GPU (unlikely with that beast of a card and CPU unless you play at very high resolution or the graphics are reeeaaallyyyy demanding) - that will give you an idea if you really need to upgrade and how much you're missing out on. also if you are capping the framerate it's possible that neither CPU nor GPU will be running at 100% and that is fine too. if your monitor has 60Hz refresh rate there's little reason to have more than 60-70 fps in game (especially skyrim that can go crazy above 60fps)

[Aslan.]

27 minutes ago, faky said:

 

to upgrade to ryzen 3600 you will need new motherboard + RAM (memory) (because new CPU wont fit on the old motherboard and old RAM wont fit on new motherboard)

 

once you install the new GPU and PSU think about downloading some programs to monitor your CPU and GPU load  (preferably with an overlay in-game) -> then if your CPU is around 100% and GPU is not that means you are bottlenecked (slowed down) by the CPU. if GPU is around 100% and CPU is not then you're "slowed down" by GPU (unlikely with that beast of a card and CPU unless you play at very high resolution or the graphics are reeeaaallyyyy demanding) - that will give you an idea if you really need to upgrade and how much you're missing out on. also if you are capping the framerate it's possible that neither CPU nor GPU will be running at 100% and that is fine too. if your monitor has 60Hz refresh rate there's little reason to have more than 60-70 fps in game (especially skyrim that can go crazy above 60fps)

I have a 144hz monitor, so if i can get over 60 fps would be great but i will be gladly satisfied even with 40 fps during normal gameplay.

 

Ok i'll do as you suggested, as soon as i get the PSU i'll test the GPU and CPU performance in game, then i decide the next step.

 

You really helped me figure out some important things, so thank you vey much for your time!