Santr Posted December 31, 2012 Posted December 31, 2012 Considering that a) the game becomes choppy only in cities and lowering the game's 'Object Fade' slider gains me the most FPS, which meshes should I run through PyFFI? Architecture? Clutter? Rocks? Plants? Something else? All of the above?
movomo Posted December 31, 2012 Posted December 31, 2012 All. Except animated meshes & hair, head clothings. All of them. For vanilla bsa, it's fairly safe to do one-click pyffi. But you may want to check yourself carefully for modded files. Don't forget to back up before doing it and do not delete backup archive until you are pretty sure it's stable.
Santr Posted January 1, 2013 Author Posted January 1, 2013 Thanks for the tips. PyFFIing all the relevant meshes didn't help, unfortunately. I'm guessing most of them were already optimized (UOP, Better Cities). Damn Gamebryo, struggling with a bunch of simple sticks and rocks.
movomo Posted January 1, 2013 Posted January 1, 2013 PyFFI may be helpful, but may be not. The very first thing you have to do (and the very last thing you want to do) is lowering graphic options. Or use the stutter remover, streamline, etc. It seems your memory is not sufficient from what I gather? Its cause could be either due to too many npcs or related to cpu load. But don't trust me too much
Santr Posted January 2, 2013 Author Posted January 2, 2013 But don't trust me too much Alright, I won't. Well, for some reason, only lowering 'Object Fade' gives me back FPS. Which is all about fences, rocks, carts and similar stuff. Lowering 'Actor Fade' does nothing to FPS that I can notice. Memory would be mostly taxed by resource size, and I optimize all textures I install (even resize them down to 2048 if bigger), so that should be taking care of that. My video card (AMD 5770) has 1GB of memory, my RAM is 8GB and I've made Oblivion.exe 2GB-aware (or is it 4GB?). Ahhh, I don't know what else I can do. It seems Gamebryo and I just hate each other.
gregathit Posted January 2, 2013 Posted January 2, 2013 Oblivion unfortunately is an old game and the bottleneck you may be up against is the CPU. The game will only use one core too. Are you running a 32 bit OS or a 64bit?
Santr Posted January 2, 2013 Author Posted January 2, 2013 I'm running 64-bit Windows 7. And the CPU is a slightly old 4-core Intel (Quad 2 Core 2.something GHz, IIRC). Hmm, wouldn't the CPU load lessen when lowering the 'Actor Fade' slider, though? My mod list is a bit long, but maybe there's something obvious that I could remove to improve performance (just in cities)? 00 Oblivion.esm 01 CosmeticOverhaulPack.esm 02 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm 03 All Natural Base.esm [Version 1.34] 04 Armamentarium.esm [Version 1.35] 05 Better Cities Resources.esm [Version 5.2.3] 06 Fundament.esm [Version ision] 07 cssBase.esm [Version 1.1] 08 CM Partners.esm 09 x117race.esm 0A CustomSpellIcons.esm 0B RealisticLeveling.esm 0C Lovers with PK.esm 0D LoversCreature.esm ++ HrmnsOblivionScriptOptimizationv1.0.esp 0E Invisibility Ring.esp 0F Beautiful_Women_NiceOnly.esp ** Beautiful_Women_DB_Addon.esp ** Beautiful_Women_SI.esp ** Beautiful_Women_Vampires_50.esp ** Beautiful_Women_NotSoNice_Bonus.esp ** Handsome_Gents_Addon.esp ** Handsome_Gents_DB_Addon.esp ** Handsome_Gents_SI.esp ** Handsome_Gents_Vampires_50.esp ** Handsome_Gents_Bonus.esp 10 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.4.2] ++ BPPP-UOP.esp 11 UOPS Additional Changes.esp 12 Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp 13 DLCShiveringIsles.esp 14 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.5.1] ++ USIPS Additional Changes.esp 15 Better Cities .esp [Version 4.7.0] 16 Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp 17 TIE.esp [Version 1.48] ** TIE Vwalk.esp 18 All Natural.esp [Version 1.34] 19 All Natural - SI.esp [Version 1.34] 1A Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp ++ Enhanced Water v2.0 HD - SI Addon.esp [Version 0.2] ++ Symphony of Violence.esp ++ Diverse Voices.esp [Version 0.1a] 1B Sounds of Cyrodiil.esp [Version 1.1] 1C All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 1.34] 1D WindowLightingSystem.esp 1E AFK_PrayerIdles.esp [Version 1.0] 1F DID3_DoubleTrouble.esp 20 ImprovedSigns.esp 21 More Female Servants.esp [Version 1.10] 22 SPARTAN VIs Diverse City Guards v1 2.esp 23 PTRoamingNPCs.esp ** PTRoamingNPCs Vwalk.esp 24 DarNifiedUI Config Addon.esp 25 DropLitTorchOBSE.esp [Version 2.4] 26 Get Wet Dark.esp 27 kuerteeCleanUp.esp 28 Spell Delete And Item Remove.esp 29 Streamline 3.1.esp 2A Dynamic Map.esp [Version 2.1.1] ** EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp ++ MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp ++ DV-RobertsM.esp 2B 1SBVampireOutfits.esp 2C BisPainBringer.esp 2D BWisteria.esp 2E SurCoatArmor.esp 2F HGEC SB Clothing.esp 30 Chin CatSuit.esp ++ CSR - Golden Saint.esp 31 Dancers clothes.esp 32 DawnWraith.esp 33 Elisyum.esp 34 Demon Lilith.esp 35 DFSL Leathery 4.esp 36 DM-Elite Witch.esp 37 EY_AoD.esp 38 Full Metal Bikini Mark II.esp 39 Gizmodian - Shell of the Artifice.esp 3A Dual God Rings.esp 3B HentaiDarkLilith.esp 3C HGEC Witch Queen Ritual Robe.esp 3D KDClothCirclets.esp 3E Mage Leather Armor.esp 3F Neck Seam Concealers Expanded.esp [Version 1.1-SI] 40 Neck Seam Concealers Expanded LL.esp [Version 1.1-SI-AT] 41 NexonsArmoryENG.esp 42 Noble Plate Armory.esp 43 Queensarmory.esp 44 ShaiyaOutfit.esp 45 Silverlight Armor by Jojjo.esp 46 R18PN - Amy Armor Set.esp 47 R18PN - Eisen Platte Armor.esp 48 BBBlackDragon.esp 49 R18PN - Lingeries.esp 4A R18PN - Mina Armor.esp 4B Red Samurai.esp 4C SwordDancerRemodel.esp 4D TrawlolsCorinthianGladiator.esp 4E TrawlolsCorinthianPitFighter.esp 4F Dynasty Recolor.esp 50 Velveteen_Armor_HGEC.esp 51 Slof's Horses Base.esp 52 Slof's Extra Horses.esp 53 Command Mount.esp ++ CSR - Fine Iron.esp ++ ArmamentariumLL.esp [Version 1.35] ++ ArmamentariumLLMagic.esp [Version 1.35] ++ ArmamentariumLLArmaVendor.esp [Version 1.35] 54 FutaPriory.esp 55 Mondstein - female Companion.esp 56 MTCExpandedVillages.esp ** MTCExpandedVillages Vwalk.esp 57 Tavern-Goers 2.esp ** Tavern-Goers 2 Vwalk.esp 58 Colourwheels Sexy Tavern HGEC.esp 59 Colourwheels Sexy Dark brotherhood.esp 5A Colourwheels Sexy Ayelid Shrine.esp 5B Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp ++ Real Lava 1.3.esp 5C Auto Update Leveled Items And Spells.esp [Version 1.2.5] 5D Bag of Holding.esp [Version 1.5.0] 5E CHILDREN ANNUAD.esp ++ EVE-CA.esp 5F EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp ++ Dwavenremodel.esp ++ Emperor_F.esp ++ ZealotF.esp 60 Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.esp 61 Leviathan Soulgems.esp 62 PersuasionOverhaul.esp [Version 1.43] 63 RMDailyIncomeV2.esp 64 LoversFSE.esp 65 LoversProstitute.esp [Version 0.25a] 66 LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp 67 LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp 68 LoversRaperS.esp 69 LoversJoburg.esp 6A LoversBed.esp 6B LoversPayBandit.esp 6C Lovers with PK.esp [Version 96] 6D LoversBitch.esp 6E LoversCreature.esp 6F LoversSoundCreature.esp [Version 0.1.0] 70 LoversBackup2.esp 71 SSD Surrender or Die.esp 72 LoversAdultYield.esp 73 LoversCalm.esp 74 LoversMagic.esp 75 LoversLight.esp 76 LoversTrueCrimeEx.esp 77 LoversSlaveTrader.esp 78 LSTBravilUnderground.esp 79 ATakesAll.esp 7A RealisticFatigue.esp ++ RobertsM-UD.esp 7B MadCompanionshipSpells.esp [Version 2.5] 7C MCS extension.esp 7D Egress.esp 7E SetEssentialActors.esp 7F TeachSpell.esp 80 SetBody.esp ++ SetbodyBB.esp 81 AutoSetBody.esp 82 StolenItemOwnership.esp 83 SM Combat Hide.esp [Version 1.2] 84 DenockArrowToo.esp 85 'Eagle Eye' Realistic Archery v1.0 Fixed.esp [Version 1.0] 86 HumantouchNPC.esp ++ Level_Rates_Modified_x5.esp 87 zzEDialog.esp 88 zzEstrus.esp 89 zzContainerTrap English.esp ++ TentaclePlant.esp ** Woman's Move - Animation Replacer.esp 8A CM Partners.esp 8B Blood Elves.esp 8C Kaleencolors.esp 8D KaleencolorsP2.esp 8E CuteElf11.esp [Version 1.3.5] 8F AinmhiRace.esp 90 Luchaire's Dryad Race.esp [Version 1.0] 91 Tabaxi Race 2.0.esp [Version 2.0] 92 Lop-ears Elf.esp ** Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed ENG Race.esp 93 x117race.esp ++ x117Race ENG Race.esp 94 Vampire Race Reloaded.esp 95 Vampire Race Reloaded Patch by Xtudo.esp 96 FLAN - Enayla Demonic.esp 97 X.Moon.Elf.esp 98 X.Night.Elf.esp ** CM Partners Vwalk.esp 99 CM Partner Destara.esp 9A cmAbbeyAeryn.esp 9B cmKittyCole.esp 9C Colourwheels Sexy Pym Companion.esp 9D CMTrixi.esp 9E KaleenCMAmelia.esp 9F CompanionshipRing.esp A0 cssCalisto.esp [Version 1.1] A1 cssImoen.esp [Version 1.1] A2 cssJaheira.esp [Version 1.1] A3 cssMazzy.esp [Version 1.1] A4 cssNalia.esp [Version 1.1] A5 cssSafana.esp [Version 1.1] A6 1em_Vilja.esp [Version 4.04] ++ 1em_Vilja_as_Blood_Elf_by_Xtudo.esp A7 companion_deepelves.esp A8 companion_nightelves.esp A9 VailenaCompanionValeria.esp AA DAValeriaCuteElf.esp ** DAValeriaCuteElf Vwalk.esp AB DATalitha.esp AC DAJadeAmberSheevaTabaxi.esp AD DADark Seducers.esp AE DARaewynCS&R.esp AF DAGolden Saint.esp B0 DADryadWilla.esp B1 Dremora female.esp ++ ArgonianBeautification-RaceSettings.esp B2 Better Looking Wood Elves Vanilla Black Eyes.esp B3 EURN.esp B4 PlomsKhajiitOverhaul.esp B5 PlomsOrcOverhaul v1.2.esp B6 bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.7EV] ++ bgMagicEV-LoversCr.esp ** bgMagicEV Vwalk.esp ++ bgMagicEVStartspells.esp [Version 1.68EV] B7 bgMagicBonus.esp [Version 1.7EV] ++ bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp [Version 1.68EV] B8 Birthsigns Expanded.esp B9 ArgonianFeets.esp BA PlomsArgonianOverhaul.esp BB Better Cities Full.esp [Version 5.2.3] ++ BC-LoversCr.esp BC Better Imperial City.esp [Version 5.2.3] ** Better Cities Resources Vwalk.esp BD Alternate Start Revamped.esp ++ VG0SmarterTimescale.esp ** [GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp ++ kuerteeEffectDrainShaderInitialGlowOnly.esp BE bgMagicLightningbolt.esp BF Shining Creatures.esp [Version 1.2] ** Sensual Walks.esp ** Sensual Walks SI.esp ** Sensual Walks SI DS + GS.esp ** All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 1.34] ** TIE Weapon + Armor Filter.esp C0 Bashed Patch, 0.esp C1 LoversMB2.esp C2 LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp C3 LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp I don't even use or need about a third of them, to be frank, they just sit there in case I stumble upon them.
gregathit Posted January 2, 2013 Posted January 2, 2013 Yes, you would greatly benefit from reducing the number of esm\esp files you have enabled. You could easily whack a chunk out by using Tes4Gecko to combine the small armor\clothing esp files. Take a look at getting ride of some plugins that are script intensive or that you just don't use. A faster CPU would help you some, but pairing down your load order a bit would help you more.
Santr Posted January 2, 2013 Author Posted January 2, 2013 Well, cutting down the load list by 42 (uninstalling and merging) didn't gain any FPS, but hopefully the game will crash a bit less. Thanks for suggesting TES4Gecko, I forgot all about it. On the up side, I did manage to get FPS under control with Streamline's Streamsmooth and Streamsight. So... success, I suppose.
gregathit Posted January 2, 2013 Posted January 2, 2013 Streamline and OSR (oblivion stutter remover) are both excellent tools!
varenne Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 Streamline and OSR (oblivion stutter remover) are both excellent tools! I agree with gregathit on OSR, never tried Streamline. OSR I feel was the one addition that helped me optimize and stabilize my FPS. I currently have an ATI/XFX Radeon HD 6770 1GB VRAM. I hard clamp my FPS at 40 using OSR and I'm able to run 4096 body textures with no problems, on an older machine than yours; 2 core, 4GB RAM. (FSB is another important spec to look at.) I've only moderately overclocked my V-card. There are other even more technical settings in the OSR ini that you can adjust, which I also did. Odds are they would be different for your setup though. Google is your friend there. If you're using the Catalyst ATI/AMD software check those settings too. I remember going away from the default settings, even for my previous ATI card. They are less than optimal for Oblivion as I recall. You can easily spend hours, even days messing with various settings and creating test profiles in Catalyst. And in another thread are links to already PyFFIed mesh sets, I forget which one or ones it was, in case you haven't found them already.
movomo Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 Streamline is a good company too. Many folks blame Streamline 3.1 that it makes their Oblivion even stutters, it's a half true, half false. Without the 3.1 patch, and more importantly without proper ini settings it wouldn't be a good idea to use streamline 3.1 beta. But once you manage to set up a good ini settings, it's good. It is compatible with OSR. Those two covers different domains. OSR is better as far as FPS control is concerned, so you'll probably want to disable the StreamSmooth feature in sl.ini.
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