Idea to improve sexout rape.`

[Kashiwaba Tomoe]

Ok, as discussed in this thread, some of the rape plugins for sexout have room for improvement.

 

A shining example is tryout, where sometimes if you turn down a NPC, as SOON as dialouge ends you get raped w/o delay.

 

Here is my suggestion on improving that.

 

I've no experince in coding NV or sexout, so I'll freehand the system I am proposing.

 

Do away with the instantly naked and in sex system that is currently used in a sexout rape, and replace it with the following.

 

As soon as the rape script 'starts', have a stat check based attempt to steal the players currently equipped weapon.

 

First round uses the Strength stat.

If the rapist is more than X (insert MCM configurable number here) ST stronger, automatic success.

If the rapist is X weaker, automatic failure.

If the rapist and victim are within X range of strength, the fight over the weapon progresses to the next round.

Second round uses the Agility stat, same as above as for how it works, if still stalemated, third round.

Round three will be based on Endurance, with the higher endurance winning.

If equal, have it come down to DT of clothing.

If still equal, rape fails.

 

If the rapist fails the fight for the weapon, the response should be faction/location based, IE: Powder Gangers would not care, NCR soldiers would shoot the rapist (prehaps code it make the rapist hostile to lawful factions if that happens).

 

If the rapist succeeds, the players weapon is removed and dropped to the ground, and it is scripted so that the player (or victim) cannot change weapons, however the victim can still abandon the weapon and run, once out of combat, inventory access returns.

At this point, equip upon the rapist and victim a fist weapon that does fatigue damage as well as health damage, and a fist fight ensues.

 

During the fist fight, the rapist's goal is to remove the victims clothing, this will occur during a knockdown, and the number of tries required depends on the DT of the clothing.

 

Zero DT clothing requires two knockdowns

one to five, three knockdowns

5-10, four knockdowns

11 and up, five knockdowns

 

Messages could also play describing what has been done (IE: undoing of victims belt, ripping shirt open, etc) adding further immersion.

 

If the fight lasts more than a certain ammount of time, and the rapist wins with the victim still clothed, the rapist simply orally rapes the victim.

If the victim is KOd during the fight at any point, the rape is immediate.

 

Prehaps have the fighting end occasionally and dialouge pops up, with chance to surrender, etc.

 

This would make any rape in sexout actually play out more like a rape, and less like a random sex minigame.

[undeadcarrot]

Make it so

[Kashiwaba Tomoe]

It's a game' date=' a fantasy. The goal should not be a simulation of actual rape. If you're playing something like this for realism, you need to take a step back.

 

Also what you propose is impossible for a lot of technical reasons. And with rape being like hello in Sexout, this would get tedious at every encounter.

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unless the player chooses to set it to be very very uncommon in the first place (I allready have it set so NPC rapes are almost unheard of ingame too, so when it does happen it's notable)

[sen4mi]

Yes...

There are several ideas that are important, I think, to keep in mind here:

First, with anything sexual, different people will have different likes and dislikes, and these differences can be incredibly large.

Second, with anything technical, we are building on past efforts, and we are building based on interests and abilities which might not be shared with other people.

Third, with Rape: we have a variety of contributing factors, for interest in rape. For some people, rape is a step up from the guns&violence inherent in many video games. For some people, rape is an extension of the "play hard to get" concept from popular culture. For some people, rape is a way of complying with instructions from other people (often religious leaders) while also being true to themselves (this can lead to people being interested in exploring the ideas involved in getting raped, either directly or perhaps as an analogy to how they feel about an overwhelmingly powerful organization dictating such narrow aspects of their lives). For some, it might be trying to capture some of their feelings about how prepared they were, for adult life, when they encountered it. But it's also, I think, an expression of the limitations of human interaction in computer gaming contexts. (and obviously, i am just scratching the surface, here.) [Edit: this was a list of examples for reasons I could think of for a person to be interested in rape scenarios. But I think that we can always think of other motivations, everyone typically has multiple motivations for all of their interests. So, please, no one should think that this was a complete list.]

Anyways, having suggestions -- and some of these are good -- can be helpful when you are trying to find ways of coding up mods.

Personally, I almost always get stalled trying to do too much -- I want to support people that have ideas which differ from my own (often my ideas differ from my own), and I want narrative tension and I want verisimilitude, and usually I wind up shooting down my projects before I get them started. I expect that many people have issues like this -- it's not like the term "writer's block" was invented any time recently. So, honestly, we do not need other people doing that for us. Still, maybe, there will be the occasional person that needs some opposition to their ideas to really get going on a project?

Anyways, good ideas, some not possible, but some needing a lot of work, and so maybe they will never be seen in action... (but maybe in some cases we can use text, and the reader's abilities to imagine, in place of actual implementation).

[achilles]

I'd like a way to be able to struggle and get free from the rape. I play as a female character and when a powder ganger comes up and tells me that I'm a fine piece of ass and I reject him he automatically rapes me and there's nothing I can do but wait and let the animation play out. I would like to have a way to kick him off and run or get out a weapon and shoot him dead before he can try again. Like create a temporary knockout effect (the knockout effect that happens after rape is fine) that gives the player a few seconds to make a choice on what to do to the rapist. I know what I'd do - flip the tables around and rape the NPC using the mod that lets you press the B key so you can rape the NPC with a strapon. Karma ftw!

 

I know there was a mod for Oblivion that gave you a chance to reject a potential rape. Perhaps when rape starts a slow motion effect could start and last for 3 seconds giving you time to react. During the slow motion phase you can press a specified button to attempt to knock the rapist off based on your strength level compared to his/hers. If you are stronger then you knock them off and you get a certain amount of seconds (adjustable in the mod configuration tool) to counter the rapist. You can counter the rapist by choosing to -

 

A) Simply run away and hide before he/she gets up (they will chase you for a certain amount of time (the time they chase you should also adjustable in the mod configuration tool) before they give up. If they catch you then you won't be able to resist their 2nd attempt and you will get raped.

 

You can pull out a weapon and kill the rapist.

 

C) You can rape the rapist instead. Then he/she will run from you once you're done raping them. Then you can chase them and rape them again and again or shoot them dead or let them go.

 

Would certainly add some enjoyment and options to the rape scene. Think this could be made?

[sen4mi]

Think this could be made?

 

It should be possible to add some kind of "dialog on forced sex" or even "dialog on sex" options, to give let the player choose different styles of play in these encounters, and to recognize relevant perks and so on.

 

However, note that most mods right now are not designed to deal with this and unless that were addressed things might not make much sense if this were to happen in current versions of most sexout mods. So this would require a lot of time and effort and dedication to build.

 

How do you feel about investing the time that this would need? (Months, maybe years?)

[undeadcarrot]

This should be its own API that mods can call for a more interactive rape. Depending on the result, it would then pass through to a Sexout call. The Sexout API was meant to make sex happen on the spot, and making it call back out to complicated behavior from an animation command would be messy.

[sen4mi]

This should be its own API that mods can call for a more interactive rape. Depending on the result' date=' it would then pass through to a Sexout call. The Sexout API was meant to make sex happen on the spot, and making it call back out to complicated behavior from an animation command would be messy.

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You are right. And if something like this were designed to exist independently, allowing other mod authors to bring it in when they felt like, the project would be relatively easy (other than designing the dialogs in the first place - doing a good job of that would take some effort).

[TheLordofMist]

It's a game' date=' a fantasy. The goal should not be a simulation of actual rape. If you're playing something like this for realism, you need to take a step back.

 

Also what you propose is impossible for a lot of technical reasons. And with rape being like hello in Sexout, this would get tedious at every encounter.

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The game is an RPG set in the years following Nuclear Armageddon, where the rules of law have crumbled and fledgling new nations rise up trying to establish order in an inherently disordered world.

 

I don't see why it's so hard to imagine someone wanting things to be more believable.

 

I, for instance, play with these mods installed not because I can't go out and find some form of sexual release... but because it's a nuclear wasteland and the idea that nobody in the world anywhere can be seen screwing was just ridiculous.

 

My characters can actually have kids. They can raise a family. They can die violently after getting ambushed, raped, and murdered by psychopaths looking to score some extra Jet-money.

 

Shit happens in the wasteland... and I for one think that any attempt to make it more interesting... more believable... more FUN than just getting automatically bashed down to your knees and rear-ended without opportunity to resist or fight back is commendable.

 

Sexout does quite a lot of things that, had someone asked if it could be done when the game came out, would have been declared impossible to implement for technical reasons. It would have been dismissed as being a 'messy hack of programming which, at best, could be visually gratifying if not outrightly tedious.'

 

I'd like to think that means there's a small semblance of hope.

[Kashiwaba Tomoe]

It's a game' date=' a fantasy. The goal should not be a simulation of actual rape. If you're playing something like this for realism, you need to take a step back.

 

Also what you propose is impossible for a lot of technical reasons. And with rape being like hello in Sexout, this would get tedious at every encounter.

[/quote']

 

 

The game is an RPG set in the years following Nuclear Armageddon, where the rules of law have crumbled and fledgling new nations rise up trying to establish order in an inherently disordered world.

 

I don't see why it's so hard to imagine someone wanting things to be more believable.

 

I, for instance, play with these mods installed not because I can't go out and find some form of sexual release... but because it's a nuclear wasteland and the idea that nobody in the world anywhere can be seen screwing was just ridiculous.

 

My characters can actually have kids. They can raise a family. They can die violently after getting ambushed, raped, and murdered by psychopaths looking to score some extra Jet-money.

 

Shit happens in the wasteland... and I for one think that any attempt to make it more interesting... more believable... more FUN than just getting automatically bashed down to your knees and rear-ended without opportunity to resist or fight back is commendable.

 

Sexout does quite a lot of things that, had someone asked if it could be done when the game came out, would have been declared impossible to implement for technical reasons. It would have been dismissed as being a 'messy hack of programming which, at best, could be visually gratifying if not outrightly tedious.'

 

I'd like to think that means there's a small semblance of hope.

 

^ Well put.

 

 

If anyone with ANY FONV modding talent wants to join up with me, I'd be more than happy to try to learn what I can to help with this idea.

 

At bare minimum this could be done as a sexout plugin, however it could be expanded further as well.

[Tasha69]

more realistic rape... hmmm..

 

how about a 50% chance that chick you're about to attempt to rape turns out to be a tranny with a dick bigger than yours? lmao

 

Or a 25% chance she has a machete strapped to her thigh and she turns you into a eunuch? =P

 

Seriously, we already have Brutal Rapers... where you get your caps stolen, equipment damaged, gang banged by everyone in sight 20 times and impregnated...

 

What more do you want?

[sammythesquirrel]

 

Seriously' date=' we already have Brutal Rapers... where you get your caps stolen, equipment damaged, gang banged by everyone in sight 20 times and impregnated...

 

What more do you want?

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hmmmm how about a chance to fight back? to a certain extent I agree with tomoe on this the rape mods need more realism, but only in-so much as adding a way to resist and or kill your attacker. So MY question is this, how hard would it be to alter the existing rape mods so that telling the would be rapist to fuck off initiates combat and the sex scene is then handled by what ever combat rape settings are used?

[theskid]

For the tryout mods, this would mean someone has to have the conversation initiate combat between you and the attacker, instead of going to a sex scene, which is what it does right now. Loogie as I understand it is not going to be working on tryouts any longer, so another modder would have to step in and make these changes. Probably would need to be a new folk, as I doubt many of the current modders have the time or desire to make those changes.

 

Same goes for brutal rapers, but in that case you would need to change how the mod works in general, for example, initating a conversation where you could submit, talk or bribe your way out of it, or try to fight back mayhaps, instead of the guy/monster/chick knocking you down and raping you.

[KainsChylde]

I had an idea for BrutalRapers actually. I'm posting it here instead of in the Brutal Rapers thread because 1) Not sure how feasible it is and 2) it'd probably require a complete rebuild of the BR plugin or just making a new one.

- Eliminate the Stalkers section completely. It's the section that causes the most issues with other mods and is generally buggy. Base ALL attacks on combat rape to build from. Move all the different settings like steal chance, damage chance, etc all into the CR portion.

- Add "side factions". For NCR, add "NCR Rapist", for Kings "Kings Rapist", etc. Some factions, like Legion and Fiends wouldn't need them, of course. Make rapists only come from these "side factions" (or the main group of "evil" factions) and give them a very low "ally" status, or a "Neutral" status to the main faction. This way, they can initiate combat for a combat rape, and bystanders with whom you have a good reputation would defend you. And killing them in retaliation for raping you wouldn't kill your faction status, as they'd be recognized as criminals.

 

I thought I had more ideas when I started this, but really those two changes alone would add the "assault" and "crime" aspects to rape that everyone in this thread wants in at least a basic form.

[sammythesquirrel]

For the tryout mods' date=' this would mean someone has to have the conversation initiate combat between you and the attacker, instead of going to a sex scene, which is what it does right now. Loogie as I understand it is not going to be working on tryouts any longer, so another modder would have to step in and make these changes. Probably would need to be a new folk, as I doubt many of the current modders have the time or desire to make those changes.

 

Same goes for brutal rapers, but in that case you would need to change how the mod works in general, for example, initating a conversation where you could submit, talk or bribe your way out of it, or try to fight back mayhaps, instead of the guy/monster/chick knocking you down and raping you.

[/quote']

brutal rapers needs no change because its spur of the moment you're getting attacked with out warning, you don't see it coming you don't have time to react. It's only those mods that start a conversation with you first that need a change, this person is talking to you he(or she) is telling you they want to fuck you. In a situation like that, you (should) know its coming and be prepared for it, so it SHOULD start a fight and then if they beat your ass they rape you, if you beat their ass you can kill them or turn the tables. It wouldn't be necessary to add all these to one mod as there are already mods that give you these functions the only thing would need to change would be the altering the script that starts the sex to start combat instead.

 

SO , I ask again how hard would it be to make these changes, if its relatively simple I will try to make the changes my self for my personal installation. Could a person who posses basic scripting knowledge and has a basic understanding of the geck make the changes to do as I have suggested or would that beyond what I can do myself?

[KainsChylde]

Presumably, if I understand your question correctly, you'd just have to set your brutalrapers combat rape to how bad you think they'd need to beat you before raping you and then change any sex triggers to combat triggers.

[Halstrom]

SO ' date=' I ask again how hard would it be to make these changes, if its relatively simple I will try to make the changes my self for my personal installation. Could a person who posses basic scripting knowledge and has a basic understanding of the geck make the changes to do as I have suggested or would that beyond what I can do myself?[/quote']

You can do it, anyone with basic scripting knowledge has enough skill and with time, the resources and information in this forum, and help from it's members can code something as good as any mod on here

[sammythesquirrel]

SO ' date=' I ask again how hard would it be to make these changes, if its relatively simple I will try to make the changes my self for my personal installation. Could a person who posses basic scripting knowledge and has a basic understanding of the geck make the changes to do as I have suggested or would that beyond what I can do myself?[/quote']

You can do it, anyone with basic scripting knowledge has enough skill and with time, the resources and information in this forum, and help from it's members can code something as good as any mod on here

 

expect me to pick your brains over the next couple days after I re-acquire the geck i know your sig has links to help threads but im still bound to mess something up so questions will be asked

[sure63]

I agree that there's room for improvement in the Brutal Rapers mod.

 

When I play a female character, I'd like a chance to make her resist.

 

Also, I find it silly that my lvl. 37 "kick a deathclaw in the bollocks and rip it's heart out" badass melee fighter is STILL raped by that puny powderganger who takes a fancy at him/her. it ruins the immersion instead of adding to it.

 

Also, It's rather silly when my character is raped by a random NCR soldier while the officer who just gave him/her a mission is looking on. Or even that common legion soldiers prevents my character from carrying out a mission given to her by Caesar himself, through enslavement.

 

I'm aware that mdding is difficult and time-consuming, but that doesn't mean that I cannot hope for more immersive sexual content, that blends seamlessly into the game.

[drazil]

I agree that there's room for improvement in the Brutal Rapers mod.

 

When I play a female character, I'd like a chance to make her resist.

 

Also, I find it silly that my lvl. 37 "kick a deathclaw in the bollocks and rip it's heart out" badass melee fighter is STILL raped by that puny powderganger who takes a fancy at him/her. it ruins the immersion instead of adding to it.

 

Also, It's rather silly when my character is raped by a random NCR soldier while the officer who just gave him/her a mission is looking on. Or even that common legion soldiers prevents my character from carrying out a mission given to her by Caesar himself, through enslavement.

 

I'm aware that mdding is difficult and time-consuming, but that doesn't mean that I cannot hope for more immersive sexual content, that blends seamlessly into the game.

this kind of thing is implemented in the most recent version of sexout brutal rapers.

[sure63]

 

I agree that there's room for improvement in the Brutal Rapers mod.

 

When I play a female character, I'd like a chance to make her resist.

 

Also, I find it silly that my lvl. 37 "kick a deathclaw in the bollocks and rip it's heart out" badass melee fighter is STILL raped by that puny powderganger who takes a fancy at him/her. it ruins the immersion instead of adding to it.

 

Also, It's rather silly when my character is raped by a random NCR soldier while the officer who just gave him/her a mission is looking on. Or even that common legion soldiers prevents my character from carrying out a mission given to her by Caesar himself, through enslavement.

 

I'm aware that mdding is difficult and time-consuming, but that doesn't mean that I cannot hope for more immersive sexual content, that blends seamlessly into the game.

this kind of thing is implemented in the most recent version of sexout brutal rapers.

 

 

I see! Interesting. Is that the one listed in the downloads section?

 

[StonyPete]

The brutal rapers mod should be changed so that someone you've knocked unconscious can't rape you...