Head mesh glitch, only after changing cell.

[Guest]

Basically, I've downloaded the Bijin pack (Wives, NPC, War maidens, and the AIO). I also use the Fair Skin complexion mod. My body mod is CBBE. I am not sure what the problem within the game is. Whenever loading into a save game, all the NPC look as intended, the NPC not affected by the Bijin mods have no neck seam, and the game works fine. However, after entering a different cell, the game makes my NPC look like potatoes. I've tried re-downloading the Bijin and fair skin complexion, to no avail. I've moved my Bijin mods to the bottom of the load order (Both the AIO and disabled Wives, NPC, and war maiden). No idea what to do now. I can't think of a reason why the head mesh would suddenly switch in game. Not sure if it will be any help, but NPC that should not be affected by Bijin do get a neck seam (Only Females). 

 

Load order:

GameMode=Skyrim

Skyrim.esm=1
Update.esm=1
Dawnguard.esm=1
HearthFires.esm=1
Dragonborn.esm=1
Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp=1
Falskaar.esm=1
ApachiiHair.esm=1
hdtHighHeel.esm=1
BSAssets.esm=1
BSHeartland.esm=1
Unique Flowers & Plants.esm=1
Evil Lair of Hydra.esm=1
ZaZAnimationPack.esm=1
SexLab.esm=1
SexLabAroused.esm=1
CreatureFramework.esm=1
Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm=1
Heels Sound.esm=1
Devious Devices - Assets.esm=1
Havok Breast Physic.esm=1
RaceCompatibility.esm=1
ETaC - RESOURCES.esm=1
BS_DLC_patch.esp=1
Devious Devices - Integration.esm=1
Devious Devices - Expansion.esm=1
AP Skyrim.esm=0
Paradise_City_RESOURCES.esm=1
RSkyrimChildren.esm=1
HighResTexturePack01.esp=1
HighResTexturePack02.esp=1
HighResTexturePack03.esp=1
WoTRMenuMusicWithBackground.esp=1
DHuntress.esp=1
FlameAtronachArmor.esp=1
FullBootForKKSA.esp=1
KKSDGWeightSliderFix.esp=1
TAR-GuildMaster1stPersonFix.esp=1
SeraphineHuntedArmor.esp=1
EnhancedLightsandFX.esp=1
Sotteta Necromancer Outfit.esp=1
Gwelda Dawnguard Armor.esp=1
AncientDraugr.esp=1
Daedric Chainmail CBBE.esp=1
KS Hairdo's.esp=1
Brows.esp=1
KS Hairdos - HDT.esp=1
ELFX - Exteriors.esp=1
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp=1
CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp=1
KKFur.esp=1
CastleVolkiharImmersive.esp=1
Book Covers Skyrim.esp=1
CWIELnFXPatch.esp=1
Cassandra Frost Witch.esp=1
RealisticWaterTwo.esp=1
Obsidian Mountain Fogs For LE.esp=1
ETaC - Dawnstar.esp=1
Unique Shops and Stores.esp=1
KKSDrBWeightFix.esp=1
ETaC - Riverwood.esp=1
Dragon Lilly.esp=1
PrisonerRagsForFemales.esp=1
CharmingHighHeels.esp=1
SexyVest.esp=1
LKVM by Nimee - Part I.esp=1
Realistic Boat Bobbing.esp=1
SoS - The Wilds.esp=1
ScottishBanneredMare.esp=1
ETaC - Darkwater Crossing.esp=1
AKSkyrimUnderground.esp=1
Celes Nightingale Armor.esp=1
SexLabNudeCreatures.esp=1
SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp=1
SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp=1
HentaiCreatures.esp=1
AuroraVillage.esp=1
SMIM-Merged-All.esp=1
Immersive Encounters.esp=1
RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp=1
Havok Breast Physic.esp=1
Natural Lighting Vivid Atmospherics.esp=1
Real Roads.esp=1
Vividian - Extended Weathers.esp=1
Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp=1
_MelissaX.esp=1
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp=1
RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp=1
BSHeartland - Meshes.esp=1
BSHeartland - Textures.esp=1
Immersive Weapons.esp=1
Bondage Furniture World.esp=1
Paradise_City_Merged.esp=1
UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp=1
xazPrisonOverhaul.esp=1
ElderOutfit-NoBijin.esp=1
Mannequin.esp=1
fallentreebridges.esp=1
Pinegrove Lodge.esp=1
RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp=1
Immersive Wenches.esp=1
Minerva.esp=1
Leiyane Follower.esp=1
RDO - USLEEP Patch.esp=1
TacticalValtheim.esp=1
EtR_HearthfireDungeonAddon.esp=1
Markarth_plus.esp=1
TamrielOnline.esp=1
Devious Deviants.esp=1
SexLabDefeat.esp=1
Devious Devices - Equip.esp=1
DW.esp=1
DeviouslyHelpless.esp=1
NusbieVoices.esp=1
MoreNastyCritters.esp=1
_pocketcampsite.esp=1
MidnightBreed.esp=1
SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp=1
TrissArmorRetextured.esp=1
Merta Black Rose Armor.esp=1
LingerieSetCBBE3_2ByNausicaa.esp=1
Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp=1
Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin.esp=1
SRG Enhanced Trees Activator.esp=1
WhiterunInEnhanced.esp=1
Morning Fogs.esp=1
Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul Lite.esp=1
RiverwoodEnhancedPlugin.esp=1
SFO - Dragonborn.esp=1
ApotheosisDemo.esp=1
TAVERiften.esp=1
FalmerBikini.esp=1
TAVESolitude.esp=1
Sweet&Sexy Lingerie.esp=1
DarkwaterDen.esp=1
CanalHome.esp=1
Tembtra Thief Armor.esp=1
TheRookery.esp=1
RBB - Realistic Water Two.esp=1
RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Dawnguard.esp=1
SC07SexLabRandomAttack.esp=1
DPnTrielekMix.esp=1
R18PN Dancer's Dress.esp=1
Schlongs of Skyrim.esp=1
SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp=1
SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp=1
SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp=1
SexLab Enchantress.esp=1
SLAL_K4Anims.esp=1
SLAnimLoader.esp=1
SLALAnimObj.esp=1
SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp=1
EstrusChaurus.esp=1
Luxury Collection.esp=1
IcePenguinWorldMap.esp=1
RaceMenu.esp=1
RaceMenuPlugin.esp=1
Smoking Torches.esp=1
Smoking Candles.esp=1
TAVEWindhelm.esp=1
SkyUI.esp=1
FNISSexyMove.esp=1
XPMSE.esp=1
Havok Breast Physic Dawnguard.esp=1
Havok Breast Physic Dragonborn.esp=1
FNIS.esp=1
UIExtensions.esp=1
AddItemMenu2.esp=1
DeadlySpellImpacts.esp=1
CalienteVanillaArmorTweaks.esp=1
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp=1
ImmersiveFP.esp=1
JaxonzMapMarkers.esp=1
SexLabMatchMaker.esp=1
dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp=1
[SunJeong] Skimpy Modern.esp=0
PuppetMaster.esp=1
Gwelda Red Riding Hood.esp=1
FNIS_Zoo.esp=1
Emfy Cleric Robes.esp=1
GDZZJJDH.esp=1
R18pn - lingerie Set.esp=1
Miosotis.esp=1
Zwabber_Kaylin.esp=1
TheEyesOfBeauty.esp=1
MF_RadiantProstitution.esp=1
Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp=1
zzArmormashups.esp=1
Watercolor_for_ENB_RWT.esp=1
Facelight.esp=1
JaxonzEnhGrab.esp=1
Savage Wolves - Fox Fix.esp=1
SlaveTats.esp=1
RSChildren.esp=1
RSChildren Patch - USLEEP.esp=1
Serana.esp=1
ZazResources.esp=1
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp=1
ELFXEnhancer.esp=1
Bashed Patch, 0.esp=1
Bijin AIO.esp=1
Bijin Wives.esp=0
Bijin Warmaidens.esp=0
Bijin NPCs.esp=0
 

Here are some screen shots detailing the problem:

Before changing cells:

ScreenShot3.bmpScreenShot2.bmp

After returning to cell:

ScreenShot6.bmpScreenShot5.bmp

 

Edits: 

What I have done to attempt to fix issue:

Re-install Bijin/Fair Skin. Fair skin blank detail fix (optional file that can fix issues). Changing ENB settings (See troubleshooting section of fair skin complexion mod page). Move all Bijin files to bottom of load order. Delete possibly incompatible follower/companion mods. Double check that no other mods are affecting skin/heads.

I still have no clue as to why the issue persists, and it makes no sense as to why the mesh would load properly on loading a save game, but fail after loading another cell.

[Grey Cloud]

Post images as jpgs in spoiler tags, please.

 

What were you using before Bijin? It looks as if a previous NPC overhaul has not been removed properly. Have a look at it in TESVEdit to see what, if anything, is altering e.g. Big Uthie.

 

You don't need the three Bijin esps if you are using the AiO.

You need to look at your version of MNC. You shouldn't have SL Nude Creatures if you are using the latest version.

You don't need Realistic Rgdolls as XPMSE skellie does ragdolling.

There, I've just saved you several esp slots at no extra cost.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Grey Cloud said:

Post images as jpgs in spoiler tags, please.

 

What were you using before Bijin? It looks as if a previous NPC overhaul has not been removed properly. Have a look at it in TESVEdit to see what, if anything, is altering e.g. Big Uthie.

 

You don't need the three Bijin esps if you are using the AiO.

You need to look at your version of MNC. You shouldn't have SL Nude Creatures if you are using the latest version.

You don't need Realistic Rgdolls as XPMSE skellie does ragdolling.

There, I've just saved you several esp slots at no extra cost.

Alright, next time i'll use Jpgs. Thanks for the ESP help

 

As for before Bijin, I was using The ordinary women. If there are older meshes/textures that are messing with Bijin how would I go about cleaning them? What should I be looking for in Tes5Edit? I'm kinda a noob when it comes to Tes5edit, as I've only ever used it to clean dirty mods.

[RW311]

Tesedit will help to find conflicting data changes to the npc but will not help if you have conflicting facegen.nif files somewhere which is what this looks to be.

 

I don't know how you have multiple facegen file for same npc id other than when using a mod manager, if this is with mod organizer you have to move the mesh and texture for the npc facegen files to be priority, don't know how I've never used it if it is nmo I have no idea either.

 

If you see multiple data changes to npc in tesedit the last one wins and that entry must have the facegen.nif file it was created with installed. 

 

Neck seem can happen if npc data was changed mid game and weight of body or outfit was changed from previous save or if new npc outfit or body does not have functioning weight morph.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, RW311 said:

Tesedit will help to find conflicting data changes to the npc but will not help if you have conflicting facegen.nif files somewhere which is what this looks to be.

 

I don't know how you have multiple facegen file for same npc id other than when using a mod manager, if this is with mod organizer you have to move the mesh and texture for the npc facegen files to be priority, don't know how I've never used it if it is nmo I have no idea either.

 

If you see multiple data changes to npc in tesedit the last one wins and that entry must have the facegen.nif file it was created with installed. 

 

Neck seem can happen if npc data was changed mid game and weight of body or outfit was changed from previous save or if new npc outfit or body does not have functioning weight morph.

I've used NMM to install everything. Again, I have no idea as of how to use Tes5Edit, but i'll give it my best shot and get back to you with the multiple facegen files. Thanks

 

Edit: Loaded the Bijin AiO in Tes5Edit, Checked one of the affected NPC (Carlotta). The only two things acting on the NPC are Bijin AiO and skyrim.esm. 

Loaded the Skyrim.esm only two things acting on head parts are Skyrim.esm, and Bijin AiO. 

Honestly, what is going on makes no sense to me. I don't have any other mods effecting the NPCs, and even Tes5Edit finds Bijin to be editing the head parts. The only thing that I think could be effecting the headparts would be the old meshes/textures from the ordinary women. this problem is ridiculous. 

[Grey Cloud]

7 hours ago, UnGodlyGaming said:

Edit: Loaded the Bijin AiO in Tes5Edit, Checked one of the affected NPC (Carlotta). The only two things acting on the NPC are Bijin AiO and skyrim.esm. 

That shows that RW311 was correct about the facegen stuff.

 

Go to Data/Meshes/ and delete a folder called 'Neus' if it is there. Go to Data/Textures and do the same.

 

From the Bijin Warmaiden's archive find 01 Characters, double-click on that to open the folder and see all the NPC names. Find, e.g. Uthie, and drag/copy her folder to Data/Meshes/Actors/Character letting it overwrite what is there. CAUTION - Check that is the correct path for Uthie and the other Bijin NPCs. I only use a few of them with the individual esps.

You will have to do this with Data/Textures too. And, I'm guessing, every NPC who is covered by TOW and Bijin.

 

There may be an easier way to do it but I don't know it.

[Guest]

Thanks for all your help everyone! Nothing ended up working however. I think it may just be that years of uninstalling and installing different mods fucked my game data. I've decided to reinstall everything, and get a fresh new start with better graphics. (Just upgraded PC to an RTX 2070 setup). Thanks for your time, if anyone else has this issue and is unable to resolve it, idk what to do other than re-install game. 

[yatol]

12 hours ago, UnGodlyGaming said:

I think it may just be that years of uninstalling and installing different mods fucked my game data.

nope

 

you enter whiterun for the first time

game load actorref aela, from actor aela (the one in your save isn't the one in your load order, you spawn 20 guards, there are only 6 available, you have 4 guard1, 7 guard2...)

aela look how she is supposed to look, so there's no conflict problem (nif from bijin with esp from ai overhaul)

 

you leave whiterun and enter again, aela head isn't the same (game have generate the head from femalehead.nif, no tintmask so darker head)

game regenerate the head if you, or a mod, did player.setnpcweight 100 aela

game regenerate the head if a mod gave a script to aela that add her something using headpart (there's a pube mod that do that, to use that you have to regenerate all npc heads, so no npc replacer with that)

game regenerate the head if a mod aela.regeneratehead

game regenerate the head if you have a mod that give something to those npc, find out they are no longer nord race, and put them back to nord race to do whatever it want to do

something like that, that may be see in the papyrus log (mod x writing what it is doing for no reason), savegamecleaner (script attached to npc, so looking for the npc id you find it), or searching what mod do that king of thing in your load order (i won't do that)

 

 

 

[Grey Cloud]

13 hours ago, UnGodlyGaming said:

I think it may just be that years of uninstalling and installing different mods fucked my game data

Nope. User error. You are doing something wrong somewhere.

[Guest]

Hmm. I look into that next time, but I re-installed anything anyways. My game looks better than ever, and the problem is gone. Like I said, thanks for your help, but problem is now resolved.