Weird Problem.

[Kain82]

I have a weird problem.  When indoors in a friendly area like a house or tavern, the game crashes if I linger too long.  When I am outside or in dungeons I can stay for as long as I like and the game never crashes.

 

Here is a modlist.  The mods with the 1 next to it are the active ones.

 

 

 

GameMode=SkyrimSE

Skyrim.esm=1
Update.esm=1
Dawnguard.esm=1
HearthFires.esm=1
Dragonborn.esm=1
Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp=1
ApachiiHair.esm=1
ApachiiHairFemales.esm=1
ApachiiHairMales.esm=1
Femboy Reborn -Base-.esm=0
BSAssets.esm=1
BSHeartland.esm=1
BSPatchSE.esp=1
BS_DLC_patch.esp=1
Apachii_DivineEleganceStore.esm=1
RSkyrimChildren.esm=1
FlowerGirls SE.esm=1
Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm=1
Cutting Room Floor.esp=1
SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp=1
KS Hairdo's.esp=1
BVFE.esp=1
TW3Eyes.esp=0
Armour_of_Yngol.esp=1
Brows.esp=1
icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp=1
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp=1
TalosHousecarl.esp=1
EMHearthfireMoveKidsfix.esp=0
RSChildren - CRF Patch.esp=1
Beards.esp=0
Delayed Dragonborn.esp=1
ShowRaceMenuAlternative.esp=1
FNIS.esp=1
FacelightPlus.esp=1
The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp=1
Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp=1
AnotherBlackThievesGuildArmor.esp=1
Apophysis_DPM_SE.esp=1
SMIM-Bruma-Patch.esp=1
Durnehviir God of Death.esp=1
Ursine Armour - Non HDT.esp=1
Manticore Armour.esp=0
Geralt of Rivia - KaerMohen Gear.esp=0
witcher menu replacer.esp=0
ORI - HarkonSword.esp=1
geralt viper armor.esp=0
Castle Volkihar Rebuilt.esp=0
MagicalCollegeofWinterhold.esp=1
3DNPC.esp=1
Book Covers Skyrim.esp=1
Book of UUNP Iron And Steel.esp=1
Helgen Reborn.esp=0
ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp=0
Eli_Breezehome.esp=1
Undeath.esp=0
Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp=1
ESFCompanions.esp=1
Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp=1
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp=1
Immersive Weapons.esp=1
AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp=1
PathOfSorcery.esp=0
Moonlight Tales Special Edition.esp=0
HearthfireMultiKid.esp=1
Unique Uniques.esp=1
skyforgedWeapons.esp=1
Undeath Immersive Lichdom.esp=0
EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp=0
UndeathClassicalLichdom SSE.esp=0
EMViljaInSolstheimAddOn.esp=0
Better Vampire NPCs.esp=1
BattleAftermath.esp=1
Run For Your Lives.esp=1
Cloaks.esp=1
Inigo.esp=1
BecomeKingofSkyrim.esp=0
Immersive Patrols II.esp=1
MistySkye.esp=1
Bloodworm.esp=0
SofiaFollower.esp=0
SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp=1
SassyGirls.esp=1
Apachii_DivineEleganceStore_Patch.esp=1
Recorder Follower Base.esp=0
Use the Force Skyrim.esp=0
Better Vampires.esp=1
Better Necromancer's Amulet.esp=0
TFollowers3.esp=1
Ars Metallica.esp=1
SamuraiBlades.esp=0
FlowerGirls SE - Adventures.esp=1
notice board.esp=0
TFollowers2.esp=1
LADX_SSE.esp=1
FalmerBikini.esp=1
draugrweap_repl_en.esp=1
ThaneWeaponsReborn.esp=1
TFollowers.esp=1
SaberLight.esp=0
IB - All-in-One.esp=1
The Ordinary Women.esp=1
BijinAIO_SSE-3.1.1-SV.esp=1
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp=1
YurianaWench.esp=1
Harem.esp=0
Marie A Redhead Follower 0.6.esp=1
DCR_KingCrusaderMegaPack_SSE.esp=1
Vampirelordroyal.esp=1
Hel.esp=0
LevelersTower.esp=1
PAN_FollowerPack1.esp=1
souleaterlagrie.esp=0
Gildergreen Regrown.esp=1
Rise of the Legend - Ysgramor.esp=1
Dread Knight Weapon Set.esp=1
AwpSylvanas.esp=0
RSChildren - Complete.esp=1
RSChildren_NonPlayableOverride.esp=1
RSChildren_PatchUSSEP.esp=1
MoonlightTalesMCM.esp=0
Predator Vision.esp=1
Toccata as Elisif.esp=1
SamuraiBladesWeapons.esp=0
Meganfoxfollower.esp=1
Dragon Soul Relinquishment.esp=1
DemonHunterV2.esp=1
DCSorceress.esp=1
HentaiVoidArmor.esp=1
CrimsonTwilightArmor.esp=1
50 More Perk Points.esp=1
HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp=1
Book of UUNP - Textures.esp=1
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp=1
Faction Crossbows.esp=1
HOBTonka.esp=1
Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp=1
Heart Breaker SE.esp=1
VioLens SE.esp=1
Geralt.esp=0
ScarletDawnArmor.esp=1
Sithis Armour (Enchanted).esp=1
NecromancerAmulet.esp=0
UIL & Path of the Revenant Patch.esp=0
Path of Sorcery -  J'zargo Dialogue Fix SE.esp=0
Pampas Set.esp=1
BVandRoyalBloodline_Patch.esp=1
TERAArmorsSSE.esp=1
TeraArmorsSSE Leveled Lists Rare.esp=1
[SunJeong] Skimpy Modern.esp=1
NormalVampireFaces.esp=1
TeraArmorsSSE RARE USSEP Patch.esp=1
lagrie_bdo.esp=0
RosaFollower.esp=1
[SunJeong] Killing Doll Outfit.esp=1
[SunJeong] Little Monli Clothes.esp=1
The Legends-Nord Armor.esp=0
Shadowmourne SE - Johnskyrim.esp=0
Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp=1
PoS Apocalypse Patch SE.esp=0
Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp=1
Inquisitor Set.esp=1
Medusa and Drakul Armors.esp=1
Dovakini.esp=1
Zepplin_Page.esp=1
ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp=0
LV_Cirilla.esp=0
Heart of Thunder - Ragnarok Edition SE.esp=0
TW3_femaleArmors_zzjay.esp=1
Marie Follower - Vampire.esp=1
Levionte_Yennefer.esp=0
LingerieSetCBBE3_2ByNausicaa.esp=1
MBWSNPCReplace_karliahnohood.esp=1
Succubus-san.esp=1
VRJessi.esp=1
Promise.esp=1
CaesiaFollower.esp=0
Kavula_Vampire_Followers.esp=1
GK-Girls.esp=1
[SunJeong] BDO Jingang.esp=1
CiceroFemaleSE.esp=1
Mirielle Follower.esp=0
Bonney.esp=1
Magicka Sabers Unique.esp=0
ESO Nord Weapons.esp=0
Aurora - Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp=1
UndeathClassicalLichdom Patch Of Sorcery.esp=0
UndeathClassicalLichdom Ordinator Patch.esp=0
TTR_Ziil_Los_Dii_Du.esp=1
BecomeABard.esp=0
Ace Blood Magic SE.esp=0
LustmordVampireArmor.esp=1
[SunJeong] Korean Fashion.esp=1
Marie A Blonde Follower 0.6.esp=1
Nightingale Prime remaster.esp=1
Lolidia_se.esp=0
Daedric Reaper Armor.esp=1
Slooty Vault Jumpsuit.esp=1
[SunJeong] Training Cube.esp=1
TheEyesOfBeauty.esp=1
Xanafollower.esp=1
3DNPC_Apachii_hair.esp=1
Kynreeve Armor.esp=1
Ordinator Enchantment Tweaks.esp=1
Luna.esp=1
ShuzeFollower.esp=1
AnotherVampireLeatherArmor.esp=1
TheViciousHeart.esp=1
[SunJeong] BDO Epheria Marine.esp=1
Ultimate Lingerie Collection.esp=1
ShadowSpellPackage.esp=0
Bards of Solitude.esp=1
Schlongs of Skyrim.esp=1
SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp=1
Bosmer.esp=1
Hesna_Follower_by_germanware.esp=1
AthenaBalFollower.esp=1
GPPoses.esp=0
NS_HuntingGroundsOutfit.esp=1
FlowerGirls SE - Caesia.esp=0
FlowerGirls SE - Cicero.esp=1
LadyMiraak.esp=0
Femboy Reborn -Patches-.esp=0
MCoW_Cutting Room Floor.esp=1
TW3Weaponry.esp=0
Inafollower.esp=1
Deana Stonewall.esp=1
Raxys_CerseiFollower.esp=0
SimplyKnock.esp=1
FireBurns.esp=1
UIExtensions.esp=1
AddItemMenuSE.esp=1
When Vampires Attack.esp=1
XPMSSE.esp=1
SOS - Femboy.esp=0
SkyUI_SE.esp=1
AncientTonguesSwords.esp=1
Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp=0
Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp=0
More idle markers.esp=1
My Home Is Your Home.esp=1
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp=1
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp=1
RDO - AFT v1.66 Patch.esp=1
Convenient Horses.esp=1
Bruma - Alternate Start.esp=0
RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp=1
Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp=1
Dawnguard - Join As A Vampire.esp=0

 
 

 

[rb888]

Try put fnis stuff at the bottom and sexkab names in middle and anim mods after sex labs and xmpse near top with skyui and make sure you run xxl fnis

[Kain82]

Well I reinstalled XPMSE Skeleton and left it at the bottom of the order.  I reinstalled Flower Girls.  I re-registered the animation with FNIS.  I used LOOT to organize my load order.  And now it does not crash as frequently.  Sometimes when I'm skipping through the dialogue after the conversation the game crashes.  This only happens when indoors in friendly areas.  The game does not crash when outdoors orin dungeons.  The game also did not crash when in the Temple of Dibella, and the Silver Blood Inn. 

[Kain82]

Okay I did as you said but the game crashes more frequently now.  I don't know what's causing this?  It only happens in friendly areas like taverns or Jarl palaces.  It does not happen in Breezehome though.

[Kain82]

Okay, I did some further testing and the game crashes when in inns and shops.  It does not crash when home or in a temple.

[khumak]

You might try reinstalling XPMSSE and make sure you aren't using any unsupported animations.  I noticed when I installed it last time that some of the defaults were for animations I'm not using like weapon styles or idles.  Really sounds like some type of skeleton issue to me.

[Sailing Rebel]

Try disabling More Idle Markers which seems to deal mostly with taverns and inns. The crash could be happening when an NPC tries to play an animation at one of these custom markers.

 

Beyond that you would need to start systematically disabling any other mods that alter the interiors that are crashing.

[Kain82]

17 hours ago, khumak said:

You might try reinstalling XPMSSE and make sure you aren't using any unsupported animations.  I noticed when I installed it last time that some of the defaults were for animations I'm not using like weapon styles or idles.  Really sounds like some type of skeleton issue to me.

Tried that, but still crashes.

5 hours ago, Sailing Rebel said:

Try disabling More Idle Markers which seems to deal mostly with taverns and inns. The crash could be happening when an NPC tries to play an animation at one of these custom markers.

 

Beyond that you would need to start systematically disabling any other mods that alter the interiors that are crashing.

Yes, I've always suspected this was the culprit.  I will disable and start a new game.  If the game crashes at the Sleeping Giant Inn, or the Riverwood Trader.  Then it was that mod.  I will check and see.

 

Thanks for the tips, both of you.

 

Edit:  I disabled the mod and started a new game and it crashed after I spoke to Orgnar.  The barkeep at the Sleeping Giant Inn.

[Kain82]

I've narrowed down to specifically when it crashes.  The game crashes when speaking to an Inn keeper or merchant indoors.  I can speak to the merchants outdoors fine, but indoors crash.  I am trying to get the quest where I have to investigate the burnt house in Morthal, but the game crashes right after speaking to the inn keeper.

[khumak]

2 hours ago, Kain82 said:

I've narrowed down to specifically when it crashes.  The game crashes when speaking to an Inn keeper or merchant indoors.  I can speak to the merchants outdoors fine, but indoors crash.  I am trying to get the quest where I have to investigate the burnt house in Morthal, but the game crashes right after speaking to the inn keeper.

Most of the crashes that I've seen when talking to a shopkeeper are a problem with their merchant container.  For instance if I install Immersive Jewelry, Fralia in Whiterun crashes if I try to trade with her.  If I replace the changes to her merchant container with her vanilla container then she's fine.  You might check to see if the merchant containers of the people you're trying to trade with are different than USSEP or the vanilla game.

[Kain82]

9 hours ago, khumak said:

Most of the crashes that I've seen when talking to a shopkeeper are a problem with their merchant container.  For instance if I install Immersive Jewelry, Fralia in Whiterun crashes if I try to trade with her.  If I replace the changes to her merchant container with her vanilla container then she's fine.  You might check to see if the merchant containers of the people you're trying to trade with are different than USSEP or the vanilla game.

I'll check and see thank you.  I was also wondering if it could be the "AddItemMenu" mod for SE?  I know the latest version 1.1.1 is bugged and I use the old version 1.0.1.  But do you think this could also be the problem?

 

I checked the mod in SSE Edit and it does not make any changes to vanilla containers or npc's.

[khumak]

I don't see how additem menu would cause any issues with dialogs.  I would guess it's something conflicting with dialog options.  Maybe an RDO conflict or something?  Usually if I start crashing I remove the last few mods I installed and go back to when my game was stable and then add each one back individually to test.  I don't know of any other reliable means of identifying for sure which mod is causing crashes.

[Kain82]

8 hours ago, khumak said:

I don't see how additem menu would cause any issues with dialogs.  I would guess it's something conflicting with dialog options.  Maybe an RDO conflict or something?  Usually if I start crashing I remove the last few mods I installed and go back to when my game was stable and then add each one back individually to test.  I don't know of any other reliable means of identifying for sure which mod is causing crashes.

Thanks once again for the reply.  "AddItemMenu" is one of the most recent mods I installed, before I started playing.  But I will keep tinkering.:)

[Kain82]

Okay, I'm gonna disable the most recently installed mods I can remember, and start a new game.  I will come back here and post the results.

[Sailing Rebel]

The process might be sped up by using coc from the main menu instead of starting a new game. For example coc RiverwoodSleepingGiantInn should let you test that very quickly.

[Kain82]

19 hours ago, Sailing Rebel said:

The process might be sped up by using coc from the main menu instead of starting a new game. For example coc RiverwoodSleepingGiantInn should let you test that very quickly.

That is a handy tip.  I did not know abut that, thank you.:)

[khumak]

Alternate Start is great for that as well.  That's one of the reasons it will never leave my load order.  Makes testing things so much simpler when I can just start a game at most any inn, or a random vampire lair, or in one of the guilds, or player houses, or whatever is convenient for the thing I'm trying to test.

[Kain82]

56 minutes ago, khumak said:

Alternate Start is great for that as well.  That's one of the reasons it will never leave my load order.  Makes testing things so much simpler when I can just start a game at most any inn, or a random vampire lair, or in one of the guilds, or player houses, or whatever is convenient for the thing I'm trying to test.

Yes, it is a great mod.  I've been using that mod to start in the Sleeping Giant Inn, so I can test with Orgnar and Delphine.  Successfully ending a conversation doesn't mean anything.  Cause when I return the game usually crashes when trying to rent a room, or buying ingredients.  I also go to the Riverwood Trader to test and see.  The success ratio has been 50/50.  Sometimes it crashes sometimes it doesn't.  So when I am in an Inn or shop I save each time I end a topic with the npc.  For example: I ask about any rumors get letter end convo save game.  Speak to npc, click other topic after they are done exit convo and save.  Initiate conversation again and repeat process.  I save as quickly as possible before crashing.  Most of the times it crashes after the conversation.  It's annoying but I'm trying.

[Kain82]

I think I found the culprit it is the mod "The Erotic Adventures of Misty Skye."  It adds a bunch of npc's and according to comments on nexus it causes crashes.  I tested both the Sleeping Giant Inn and the Riverwood Trader and was successfully able to speak to the innkeeper and merchant without crashing.  I must now try and buy and sell something to see if it crashes.  Anyway this gives me hope.  Though I don't want to be too hyped in case it crashes again.  I will post further results here.

[Kain82]

Okay, it seems I have fixed the problem.  It was indeed "The Erotic Adventures of Misty Skye."  Now I have another problem.  No one attacks me, bandits or creatures.  None attack me.  Has anyone had this problem before?

[Kain82]

Okay, so the began crashing again when indoors speaking to innkeepers or merchants,.  I removed a bunch of follower mods along with "Better Vampire NPC's."  And so far the game hasn't crashed.  I will not celebrate yet, cause it still might crash.