Removing ads...

[tomomi1922]

I completely understand Loverslab need some kind of revenue to stay afloat.  It is just that these ads, currently on top an ad for web based sex game, and bottom an explicit fast forward sex video, seem to be quite bothersome.  I understand this is a NSFW site and will not attempt to access via work computer.  

But today, I was on my ipad, trying to read/reply to a few messages on this forum.  I was at a restaurant, waiting to be called in, sitting/standing among several people, some with children.  I quickly realized the ads were quite explicit, I scrolled down, there is another ad, geez, nowhere to run.  Just one of the few instances that makes it very hard to explain.  

Is there a subscription model in which we can get rid of the ad (and still support LL).  The layout on this page (albeit not the best), makes it easy to hide away the screenshots.  Or even those small thumbnails, I can scroll down and hide them all.  Just the ad...  

[myuhinny]

Link found in the bottom right hand corner. https://www.patreon.com/loverslab

[tomomi1922]

17 minutes ago, myuhinny said:

Link found in the bottom right hand corner. https://www.patreon.com/loverslab

I knew about this for a while, but I just saw this "Support the maintenance and development + get ads and any download restrictions removed while logged in".  I guess I need to really get on with the program.  No more procrastination.

[Tirloque]

I already asked for the explicit video content ad to be toned down for identified members, but CPU explained me they used its money for site's maintenance and for Ashal for one part ; and secondly that they had no control over the ads displayed.

 

Still it hinders the community aspects for those who don't want the "true name" support of Patreon, and there was a time were those middle screens video ads weren't there... But hey, admins are the ones who see the bills. 

[winny257]

13 hours ago, tomomi1922 said:

I knew about this for a while, but I just saw this "Support the maintenance and development + get ads and any download restrictions removed while logged in".  I guess I need to really get on with the program.  No more procrastination.

I do it differently, there are hundreds of AdBlockers, when I'm on the go (tablet) AdBlocker activ, at home on the PC inactive. 

[Tirloque]

30 minutes ago, winny257 said:

I do it differently, there are hundreds of AdBlockers, when I'm on the go (tablet) AdBlocker activ, at home on the PC inactive. 

The problem being that not everyone will be supportive enough do disable adblock afterwards. And if they use it fulltime, that means no financial support for the site. It's kinda saddening to resort to this, while finding some intermediate ground might be possible, IMO.

 

[winny257]

24 minutes ago, Tirloque said:

The problem being that not everyone will be supportive enough do disable adblock afterwards. And if they use it fulltime, that means no financial support for the site. It's kinda saddening to resort to this, while finding some intermediate ground might be possible, IMO. 

 

I know what you mean, but advertising must be.
the problem in my situation when I'm on the road (vocational), I have to do with many people, sometimes I have a lot of time, then I can visit (on my private tablet) Loverslab.
but I always have to expect a customer to enter my office, it would be absolutely customer-unfriendly when people see pornographic material, I would lose my customer base!
I do not have another choice, I have to use an AdBlocker.

[Tirloque]

Your choice has his justifications, Winny, no one is blaming anyone.

On 5/28/2018 at 7:08 PM, winny257 said:

I know what you mean, but advertising must be.

That's not my point. Let's simplify :

— On one side you've got heavily advertised 3 animated ads per page

— On the other side, you've got adblock (0 ads per page)

 

My thought is, between 0 or 3 ads per page, isn't there some middle ground possible ?  Patreon and adblock users have no adds, why not set 1 or 2 ads for identified users, and 3 for anonymous guests ? That way the site would get some money, while making it possible to browse some pages "safely" in Tomomi's case.

 

Anyway, we're just discussing here, decision is not up to us.

 

[tomomi1922]

3 hours ago, winny257 said:

I know what you mean, but advertising must be.
the problem in my situation when I'm on the road (vocational), I have to do with many people, sometimes I have a lot of time, then I can visit (on my private tablet) Loverslab.
but I always have to expect a customer to enter my office, it would be absolutely customer-unfriendly when people see pornographic material, I would lose my customer base!
I do not have another choice, I have to use an AdBlocker.

I am on the same boat with you.  

People see "things" and they pass judgement right away without giving us any room for explanation.  Like why the hell am I on this page?  I am not into big boobs and super skimpy outfits where everyone loves to flaunt everything, nor I want to turn my games 100% into a porn game.  I just use the mods here that make my game more immersive, yes, even into that direction if I choose to.  I don't need to explain this to you guys because we all understand this.  But to outsiders, no amount of explanation would help.  "Sick perverts unable to control themselves and just HAVE to go to a porn site at work, or even in the elevator"
 

2 hours ago, Tirloque said:

Your choice has his justifications, Winny, no one is blaming anyone.

That's not my point. Let's simplify :

— On one side you've got heavily advertised 3 animated ads per page

— On the other side, you've got adblock (0 ads per page)

 

My though is, between 0 or 3 ads per page, isn't there some middle ground possible ?  Patreon and adblock users have no adds, why not set 1 or 2 ads for identified users, and 3 for anonymous guests ? That way the site would get some money, while making it possible to browse some pages "safely" in Tomomi's case.

 

Anyway, we're just discussing here, decision is not up to us.

 

I am also 100% sympathetic with LL too.  I too ran a few forums and sites before (not sex nor mod related).  The cost does add up, not to mention the commitment to maintain the sites.  1 month, it's fun, 1 year, it becomes a job.  A small revenue stream does ease the stress and help with the chores.  

This is why I didn't bother with ad blocks.  Most small sites completely have no interest in force feeding ads to their users but they sincerely ask us to "put up" with it to support the sites.  And I feel that is the very least I can do to keep them afloat.  

However, if an admin is reading this:  I have a small solution that may make everyone happy:

- I don't care 1 ad or 5, load them up.  I will watch them so you can get paid.  But how about putting them on only 1 side of the page (either top or bottom).  It is super easy to flip up (or down) to hide the ad.  The swipe doesn't require precision, doesn't require page load nor even need to be connected to internet.  

- Also, does it have to be explicit sex-related all the time?  You guys can certainly use a few ads that sell cars, insurance, or even camp my Amazon cookies and try to sell me whatever I just browsed at Amazon.  Revenue is revenue.  In fact I am a whole lot more likely to click the Amazon ad and end up buying that item.  As long as the ads don't completely cover the page and there is still empty spaces that we can swipe up and down (and not risk clicking on anything), we all should be fine with it.


Yeah, what that nearly got me yesterday was having ad on both top and bottom.  I was reading a page, noticed a man standing next to me, and then noticed the ad showed some very big animated schlong poking an animated woman.  So I swiped up to go down, OMG, real video of some hardcore sex with a giant schlong squirting onto a woman's face.  I think the guy got a glimpse before I totally turned my Ipad into my chest.  Talk about very awkward moment.  Luckily these are fellow restaurant customers, not someone work related.  

[polonius]

I'd prefer to donate if Patron had a mechanism for 3/6/12 months. Why no flat donation option either? My work is always boom or bust. The ads don't bug me, but I send $20 to Wikipedia a year and I don't nearly get as much entertainment out of that. So, I just signed up as a supporter.

[Tirloque]

15 hours ago, polonius said:

I'd prefer to donate if Patron had a mechanism for 3/6/12 months. Why no flat donation option either? My work is always boom or bust. The ads don't bug me, but I send $20 to Wikipedia a year and I don't nearly get as much entertainment out of that. So, I just signed up as a supporter.

Apparently Paypal doesn't accepts porn related transactions. As for Patreon, I guess the problem would then be to create better rewards for regular monthly supporters than for one time donator. A flat donation option would be something I'd appreciate though.

[winny257]

1 hour ago, Tirloque said:

Apparently Paypal doesn't accepts porn related transactions. As for Patreon, I guess the problem would then be to create better rewards for regular monthly supporters than for one time donator. A flat donation option would be something I'd appreciate though. 

it would be even easier would have Loverslab an own bank connection!
it should be publicly visible in a separate thread, then one could without further costs and losses, from his own house bank make a monthly transfer.
So a direct transfer, Not about a third party!
I will never accept a third party, because I already have bad experiences, especially if this third party is represented abroad!
then it is very difficult, in the case of a fraud, to get his money back! 

[Ashal]

 

27 minutes ago, winny257 said:

it would be even easier would have Loverslab an own bank connection!

 

Ugh, are you my accountant? Cause that's what they've been saying I need to do forever now... It's true though.

 

The site won't take direct donations. Becuase we "aren't allowed" to take direct donations. One would have to know what they are donating to, and PayPal is out of the question unless knowing what you are donating to...

PM me if you want to donate via paypal. I won't turn down needed help. But understand the aversion to Patreon. 

[winny257]

14 minutes ago, Ashal said:

 

Ugh, are you my accountant? Cause that's what they've been saying I need to do forever now... It's true though.

 

The site won't take direct donations. Becuase we "aren't allowed" to take direct donations. One would have to know what they are donating to, and PayPal is out of the question unless knowing what you are donating to...

it was not meant in a bad way, and it should not be seen related to donations.
It's a monthly membership fee, as is the case in the case of online games abroad!
The contribution is handled, either by debiting my bank account or by direct transfer to your account.

[winny257]

I forgot to mention, donations (a present) subject to German jurisdiction, that should mean if I donate something (give away), then I am obliged to inform the tax office!
that means again, I have to pay for a donation, gift taxes!

and it gets even more problematic when the recipient of the donation is abroad, then comes the German Customs on the plan, that means  still more taxes. 
which would not be the case if I pay a monthly membership. 

[fejeena]

1 hour ago, winny257 said:

I forgot to mention, donations (a present) subject to German jurisdiction, that should mean if I donate something (give away), then I am obliged to inform the tax office!
that means again, I have to pay for a donation, gift taxes!

and it gets even more problematic when the recipient of the donation is abroad, then comes the German Customs on the plan, that means  still more taxes. 
which would not be the case if I pay a monthly membership. 

Good that i life in west germany

If I donate something (give away), I don't have to inform anyone. The one who receives the money have to inform the tax office and pay taxes ( gift taxes. There are tax allowances for gifts and inheritances of relatives )

I can give my money to anyone without paying taxes, regardless of domestic and international. The German customs is not interested in it, and it's none of his business.

Only if I donate my money to banned organizations or terrorists do I get into trouble, but not with the german customs.

 

Only when you receive Money you pay taxes in germany. ( Yes i know if I buy something I pay "value added tax", "petroleum tax", "tobacco tax", ...)

 

So winny, if you paid taxes when you gave someone your money, someone cheated on you!    Get your money back! 

 

 

[winny257]

1 hour ago, fejeena said:

Good that i life in west germany

If I donate something (give away), I don't have to inform anyone. The one who receives the money have to inform the tax office and pay taxes ( gift taxes. There are tax allowances for gifts and inheritances of relatives )

I can give my money to anyone without paying taxes, regardless of domestic and international. The German customs is not interested in it, and it's none of his business.

Only if I donate my money to banned organizations or terrorists do I get into trouble, but not with the german customs.

 

Only when you receive Money you pay taxes in germany. ( Yes i know if I buy something I pay "value added tax", "petroleum tax", "tobacco tax", ...)

 

So winny, if you paid taxes when you gave someone your money, someone cheated on you!    Get your money back! 



 

 

du bist auf dem Holzweg, seit viel Geldwäsche betrieben wurde, wurden die Ausfuhrbestimmungen verschärft. wenn du Bargeld ins Ausland transferierst, ausführst, dann wirst du dies 100% dem Zoll mitteilen!
ausfuhr von unangemeldetem Bargeld zählt zur Wirtschaftskrimminalität!
warst du je im Ausland im Urlaub? insbesondere USA, ich glaube nicht, denn dann würdest du wissen, daß du am Zollkontrollpunkt deine finanziellen Mittel offenbaren mußt, danach erfolgt eine genaue Durchsuchung.

mehr gibts nicht von mir, Du kommst ja aus dem Westen, dort gelten andere gesetze. 

 

schenkung ins Ausland, führt meist zu Doppelbesteuerung! Dickes 

https://www.roedl.de/themen/vererben-schenken-auslandsbezug

 

http://www.zoll.de/DE/Fachthemen/Aussenwirtschaft-Bargeldverkehr/Barmittelverkehr/Anmelde-Anzeigepflicht-Drittlaender/anmelde-anzeigepflicht-drittlaender_node.html

[Tirloque]

4 hours ago, winny257 said:

it would be even easier would have Loverslab an own bank connection!
it should be publicly visible in a separate thread, then one could without further costs and losses, from his own house bank make a monthly transfer.
So a direct transfer, Not about a third party!
I will never accept a third party, because I already have bad experiences, especially if this third party is represented abroad!
then it is very difficult, in the case of a fraud, to get his money back! 

The direct transfer/SEPA could be an idea for one shot donations I think. Problem would be then to identify the donator (could be done by writing into the info line of the transfer though).

4 hours ago, Ashal said:

Ugh, are you my accountant? Cause that's what they've been saying I need to do forever now...

He's a gif and jpeg accountant. Can trace back any sort of image if needed. Contingently also skilled in croatian human relations. XD

[winny257]

37 minutes ago, Tirloque said:

He's a gif and jpeg accountant. Can trace back any sort of image if needed. Contingently also skilled in croatian human relations. XD

traitor. 
I am not an accountant, but I have a couple, and what that tracing down of gifs and pictures affects, there I am second to none. 

[fejeena]

1 hour ago, winny257 said:

du bist auf dem Holzweg, seit viel Geldwäsche betrieben wurde, wurden die Ausfuhrbestimmungen verschärft. wenn du Bargeld ins Ausland transferierst, ausführst, dann wirst du dies 100% dem Zoll mitteilen!
ausfuhr von unangemeldetem Bargeld zählt zur Wirtschaftskrimminalität!
warst du je im Ausland im Urlaub? insbesondere USA, ich glaube nicht, denn dann würdest du wissen, daß du am Zollkontrollpunkt deine finanziellen Mittel offenbaren mußt, danach erfolgt eine genaue Durchsuchung.

mehr gibts nicht von mir, Du kommst ja aus dem Westen, dort gelten andere gesetze. 

 

schenkung ins Ausland, führt meist zu Doppelbesteuerung! Dickes 

https://www.roedl.de/themen/vererben-schenken-auslandsbezug

 

http://www.zoll.de/DE/Fachthemen/Aussenwirtschaft-Bargeldverkehr/Barmittelverkehr/Anmelde-Anzeigepflicht-Drittlaender/anmelde-anzeigepflicht-drittlaender_node.html

Nein nur der Erbe zahlt ! Derjenige der vererbt kann ja nicht mehr zahlen !

Und nur wenn du sehr goße Summen an jemanden zahlst wird überprüft wo das Geld herkommt. Aber du must nichts machen , das machen die Banken.

Ja der Erbe oder Beschenke zahlt dann vielleicht in 2 Ländern Steuern, aber nicht der Vererber oder Schenker. ( siehe deinen erste Link. Kein Wort davon das der Schenkende zahlt)

 

Und was hat Bargeld im Urlaub mit diesem Thema zu tun, da wird kein Geld vererbt oder verschenkt , und das gab es schon immer, bei Einfuhr und Ausfuhr von Bargeld.

Und ich glaube auch nicht das du Loverslab 10000 Euro bringen möchtest, persöhnlich. Denn dein 2ter Link handelt von mitgeführtem Bargeld, nicht von überwiesenem Geld bei einer Spende an Loverslab.

 

Es geht doch um Spenden an Loverslab! Also Überweisungen, Paypal, patreon,...

 

Du hast von Schenkungssteuer geredet, und behauptet dass der Schenker Geschenke anmelden muß.

Aber die Schenkungssteuer und Erbschaftssteuer  betrifft ( in gesamt Deutschland) nur den der das Geld erhält.

Ich weiß nicht warum du jetzt das Thema wechselst und mit  "mitgeführtem Bargeld bei Grenzübertritt" anfängst, dazu habe ich in meiner letzten Post nichts gesagt. ( hat ja auch nichts mit der Schenkungssteuer zu tun. )

 

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No, only the heir pays! The one who inherits can not pay anymore!
And only if you pay huge sums to someone there will  be a check where the money comes from. But you do not have to do anything,  the banks will do it.
Yes, the heir or donee may then pay taxes in 2 countries, but not the giver or donor. (see your first link, not a word about that the donor pays)

 

And what does cash on holiday have to do with this issue, because no money is inherited or given away, and that has always been on import and export of cash.

And I do not think that you want to bring Loverslab 10000 Euro, personally. Because your 2nd link is about imported cash, not money donation that is transferred to Loverslab.

 

It's about donations to Loverslab! Transfers, Paypal, patreon, ...

 

You talked about gift tax, and claimed that the donor must register gifts.
But the gift tax and inheritance tax concerns (in Germany as a whole) only those who receive the money.
I do not know why you are changing the subject now and start with "carrying cash at border crossing", I did not say anything about that in my last post. (has nothing to do with the gift tax)

 

 

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Vielleicht solltes du deine Post zurück übersetzten. Denn du hast geschrieben:

 

Ich habe vergessen zu erwähnen, dass Spenden (ein Geschenk) der deutschen Gerichtsbarkeit unterliegen, das heißt, wenn ich etwas spende (verschenke), dann bin ich verpflichtet, das Finanzamt zu informieren!
das bedeutet wiederum, ich muss für eine Spende, Schenkungssteuern bezahlen!

 

FALSCH: Schenkungssteuer zahlt nur der der das Geld erhält. Und der der das Geld verschenkt muß es nicht anmelden, nur der Beschenkte muß es versteuern. ( Ja wenn der Schenkende dir das Geld aus dem Ausland mitbringt muß er Sreuern zahlen. )

 

und es wird noch problematischer, wenn der Empfänger der Spende im Ausland ist, dann kommt der deutsche Zoll auf den Plan, das bedeutet noch mehr Steuern.

 

FALSCH: Du zahlst keine Steuern, nur der der das Geld erhält zahlt Steuern. Hast du je bei einer Überweisung ins Ausland Steuern gezahlt?

Das wäre nicht der Fall, wenn ich eine monatliche Mitgliedschaft bezahle

 

Und hier sagst du das du dich auf die Unterstützung von LL, Spenden an LL beziehst, also kein Bargeld persönlich vorbeibringen.

Ich habe nur auf das geantwortet was du geschrieben hast über Schenkungssteuer. Nichts über Bargeld was mit dem Thema nichts zu tun hat.

Und dein erster Link bestätigt was ich gesagt habe.

[winny257]

11 minutes ago, fejeena said:

Spoiler

Nein nur der Erbe zahlt ! Derjenige der vererbt kann ja nicht mehr zahlen !

Und nur wenn du sehr goße Summen an jemanden zahlst wird überprüft wo das Geld herkommt. Aber du must nichts machen , das machen die Banken.

Ja der Erbe oder Beschenke zahlt dann vielleicht in 2 Ländern Steuern, aber nicht der Vererber oder Schenker. ( siehe deinen erste Link. Kein Wort davon das der Schenkende zahlt)

 

Und was hat Bargeld im Urlaub mit diesem Thema zu tun, da wird kein Geld vererbt oder verschenkt , und das gab es schon immer, bei Einfuhr und Ausfuhr von Bargeld.

Und ich glaube auch nicht das du Loverslab 10000 Euro bringen möchtest, persöhnlich. Denn dein 2ter Link handelt von mitgeführtem Bargeld, nicht von überwiesenem Geld bei einer Spende an Loverslab.

 

Es geht doch um Spenden an Loverslab! Also Überweisungen, Paypal, patreon,...

 

Du hast von Schenkungssteuer geredet, und behauptet dass der Schenker Geschenke anmelden muß.

Aber die Schenkungssteuer und Erbschaftssteuer  betrifft ( in gesamt Deutschland) nur den der das Geld erhält.

Ich weiß nicht warum du jetzt das Thema wechselst und mit  "mitgeführtem Bargeld bei Grenzübertritt" anfängst, dazu habe ich in meiner letzten Post nichts gesagt. ( hat ja auch nichts mit der Schenkungssteuer zu tun. )

 

Vielleicht solltes du deine Post zurück übersetzten. Denn du hast geschrieben:

 

Ich habe vergessen zu erwähnen, dass Spenden (ein Geschenk) der deutschen Gerichtsbarkeit unterliegen, das heißt, wenn ich etwas spende (verschenke), dann bin ich verpflichtet, das Finanzamt zu informieren!
das bedeutet wiederum, ich muss für eine Spende, Schenkungssteuern bezahlen!

 

FALSCH: Schenkungssteuer zahlt nur der der das Geld erhält. Und der der das Geld verschenkt muß es nicht anmelden, nur der Beschenkte muß es versteuern. ( Ja wenn der Schenkende dir das Geld aus dem Ausland mitbringt muß er Sreuern zahlen. )

 

und es wird noch problematischer, wenn der Empfänger der Spende im Ausland ist, dann kommt der deutsche Zoll auf den Plan, das bedeutet noch mehr Steuern.

 

FALSCH: Du zahlst keine Steuern, nur der der das Geld erhält zahlt Steuern. Hast du je bei einer Überweisung ins Ausland Steuern gezahlt?

Das wäre nicht der Fall, wenn ich eine monatliche Mitgliedschaft bezahle

 

Und hier sagst du das du dich auf die Unterstützung von LL, Spenden an LL beziehst, also kein Bargeld persönlich vorbeibringen.

Ich habe nur auf das geantwortet was du geschrieben hast über Schenkungssteuer. Nichts über Bargeld was mit dem Thema nichts zu tun hat.

Und dein erster Link bestätigt was ich gesagt habe.

 

 

Auf was Sie bei Überweisungen ins Ausland achten müssen

 

https://www.focus.de/finanzen/experten/ueberweisung-ins-ausland-was-es-kostet_id_7791249.html

 

[fejeena]

Neuer Themenwechsel? Gebühren welche die Banken erheben. Auch sehr interessant, hat aber auch nichts mit deiner Post über Schenkungssteuer zu tun.

New topic change? Fees charged by the banks. Also very interesting, but has nothing to do with your post about gift tax.

 

EDIT: aber es betrifft deinen letzten Satz  /   but it concerns your last sentence

  which would not be the case if I pay a monthly membership. 

 

Die Überweisungsgebühren der Bank zahlst du bei jeder monatlichen Überweisung.

Fees charged by the banks you will pay with every monthly transfer.

 

[winny257]

1 hour ago, fejeena said:

Neuer Themenwechsel? Gebühren welche die Banken erheben. Auch sehr interessant, hat aber auch nichts mit deiner Post über Schenkungssteuer zu tun.

New topic change? Fees charged by the banks. Also very interesting, but has nothing to do with your post about gift tax.

 

EDIT: aber es betrifft deinen letzten Satz  /   but it concerns your last sentence

  which would not be the case if I pay a monthly membership. 

 

Die Überweisungsgebühren der Bank zahlst du bei jeder monatlichen Überweisung.

Fees charged by the banks you will pay with every monthly transfer.

 

 

[winny257]

57 minutes ago, Alkpaz said:

Don't know how it works in Germany but here in the US banks charge for every little thing you do, cash a check? There is a charge (in half cents), Withdraw money, also a charge. Wire transfer 12 USD (unless you have a business account then they charge you service maintenance fees, so you can pretty much do all the above without having to pay more) Then there is overdraft, this is the bread and butter of banks, typically around 35 USD per transaction over your limit, this is about the same amount you pay for a bounced check. 

 

Paypal has fees, Ebay has fees, and Patreon has fees (usually on the receiver side given an e-mail I received recently concerning an increase in these "fees"). Now if you got paid by someone using Paypal that you sold something on Ebay, you pay double fees.  Well, at least, that is how it worked about 7+yrs ago, dunno how it is now.

precisely like that, it behaves in Germany, nothing is free, Money transfers abroad are particularly expensive!

[polonius]

12 hours ago, Tirloque said:

Apparently Paypal doesn't accepts porn related transactions. As for Patreon, I guess the problem would then be to create better rewards for regular monthly supporters than for one time donator. A flat donation option would be something I'd appreciate though.

Oh. That's why it quietly pushed me to a banking account. Well my bank will send my money to where ever I god damn tell them to send it and I'll have to truncate that paypal balance for the inconvenience.