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Sloan's Story part 46 - The Daughter of Melissa Shae


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“I have some daggers you can use. Don’t worry, you will like them.” Delphine opened a display case and pulled out a pair of ebony daggers. “These things will slice through metal. Although try not to actually slice metal. Also, I got you all licenses for armor and weapons. The local guards have been too afraid to challenge your orc companions so far, but that won’t last. We don’t need any trouble. Did you get the horn?”

 

Sloan shook her head. “No. Sian got there ahead of us.” She smiled as Aithne pulled out the note. “She left a note, though.”

 

“I am…perplexed.” Delphine set the daggers on the table in front of Sloan, took the note, scanned it, then snorted. “’This time,’ eh? I assume that means she is from the future, like you two. Maybe that’s why she went there first – maybe the past version of me managed to get the horn before her.” A pause. “If that’s the case, though, why didn’t she come to me straight away? If she knew me before, she would know I am a Blade and am sworn to serve the Dragonborn.”

 

Sloan shrugged. “The only thing I know about Sian so far is that she is unpredictable. I suggest we focus on finding ways to help her instead of trying to find her. Assuming she does remember, we know she knows about you, so I imagine she will find her way to you sooner or later.”

 

“Didn't you tell me she had been captured and forced to work in a mine last time? How can we be sure that won't happen again?”

 

"That's a good point. But the evidence at this point suggests she has help, so hopefully whoever is with her can keep that from happening."

 

Delphine tapped the table with a finger. “I suppose. I guess the best way to help is to learn as much as we can about the dragons and who might be behind them. I suspect it has to do with the Thalmor, but we can’t be sure.”

 

Sloan smiled. “Why don’t we ask them?”

 

Delphine smiled back. “I was thinking the same thing.”

 

Aithne blinked. “Um…I don’t know much about the Thalmor, but aren’t they…”

 

She paused and Sloan grinned at her and supplied, “Untrustworthy?”

 

“Monsterous?” added Delphine.

 

“Callous?”

 

“Malicious?”

 

“Vicious?”

 

“Disagreeable?”

 

“Despicable?”

 

“Contemptible?”

 

Aithne cleared her throat. “Dangerous?”

 

Delphine nodded. “Oh yes. Very.”

 

“I was scared out of my wits every time I had to deal with them,” Sloan agreed.

 

“Well…then how do we ask them about the dragons?”

 

Sloan exchanged a look with Delphine, then smiled at her sister. “Indirectly. I’ll pay their embassy a little visit and poke around a bit. We can add ‘fastidious’ to the list of words for them – if they know about the dragons, they will have detailed records somewhere.”

 

Delphine gave Sloan an approving nod. “I was going to ask if you would do that.”

 

“I…” Aithne looked a little poleaxed. “Um. Be careful.”

 

“Oh I shall, believe me. I have infiltrated that place a dozen times…well, eleven, I guess – the last time, the place was virtually empty – and those were the most petrifying hours of my life. But if things haven't changed too much, I will hopefully be able to procure a way to go there whenever we want.” Sloan glanced at Delphine. “I’ll need an invitation to one of their soirees. And some nobles' clothes.”

 

Delphine nodded. “I have already reached out to my contacts. If you head to Solitude, everything should be prepared by the time you reach it.” She glanced at Aithne. “Oh. Unless you get there today. Then you might have to wait a few days.”

 

“No, I need to establish myself as a new money up-and-comer or they’ll just kick me out as soon as I get there. At best. I’ll head to Whiterun and make a few wealthy connections, then travel with them to the Embassy.”

 

“That is a good plan. I have some outfits here that should be good enough to get you started and you can purchase more in the city.”

 

“Yes.” Sloan smiled. “Nothing like a good shopping trip for bonding!”

 

“Um…” Aithne glanced from one to the other. “You will need a man to accompany you. Do you want to take Merks with you? He is smart and capable.”

 

“That…is a good point.” Sloan considered. “If you think he is up to it, it would be best to have someone who knows what’s going on.”

 

“I’ll tell him. He…won’t be happy, but I’ll tell him it’s either that or I drop him back off at the college. In the meantime, what should I do? To help?”

 

Sloan shrugged. “Kill dragons, I suppose. Even though they won’t stay dead for long, we need to keep their numbers as low as possible for as long as possible. As a bonus, that will be a great way to make money – dragon hide, meat, teeth, and bones will likely be worth a fortune.”

 

Delphine nodded. “Also, you’re with the College of Winterhold, aren’t you? If you can look through their records for anything dragon related, that would be a big help. They have one of the largest libraries in the world, but few have access to it.”

 

Aithne nodded. “I have been doing research on them but haven’t found much of use.” She blinked. “That reminds me, last time you visited us in the College. You were looking for information about a…a Shout for the Dragonborn. I think it was called Dragonrend? Does that sound familiar?”

 

Delphine shook her head. “I have not heard that term. Sounds like I was making some progress, though! Did you have any information on it?”

 

“No.” Aithne shook her head. “The Arcaneum has an extensive section on dragons but, it turns out, precious little useful information. I have read all of it three times, and the only things I have learned were that some group of rebels fought the head dragon, named Alduin - who is absolutely terrifying in person, by the way -  at the top of the Throat of the World and came out victorious. I cannot begin to imagine how. Alduin disappeared, assumed killed, although there is no mention of his body, and the rest of the dragons became permanently killable at that point.” A pause. “Well, until now.”

 

Delphine’s eyes narrowed. “The Throat of the Word, eh? It can’t be a coincidence that the Greybeards established their monastery there. That bears further investigation, but that place is even harder to get into than the College. Legally, anyway.” She sighed. “I suppose if our enigmatic Dragonborn ever shows up, she will be able to tell us more about the place.”

 

“What about your friend?” Sloan gestured at nothing in particular. “I expected him to be here with you, but I haven’t seen him.”

 

Delphine frowned. “What friend? Orgnar is upstairs, but he’s…”

 

“Not him. Last time you were with an older man. A Nord.” Sloan thought back. “I do not believe you ever said his name. Aithne, do you remember him?”

 

Aithne shook her head. “Only Delphine came to us. Although you did keep saying ‘we found,’ or ‘we learned,’ so it sounds like you were working with someone else.”

 

“This is frustrating.” Delphine laughed. “I need to stop trying to figure out what future me knew and just start learning those things for myself.”

 

Sloan hesitated, but decided this was her best chance to know, and asked, “Since we are talking about people from before, do you happen to know someone named Kira?”

 

Delphine stilled and her eyes narrowed. “How do you know Kira?”

 

“She was the leader of the Tong I was in last time. That Delphine told me she taught Kira all she knew.”

 

“This Delphine did the same. Kira is the head of the Dark Brotherhood.”

 

Sloan nodded. “Of course she is.”

 

“I would not recommend seeking her out, if that is your plan.”

 

Sloan shook her head. “Oh no, I am staying as far away from her as possible. If all goes well, she will never even know I exist this time.”

 

“That is wise. I know only one person who could best her.”

 

“You?” Aithne guessed.

 

Delphine laughed. “No, I have become old and she has surpassed me.” She cast a meaningful look at Sloan. “Only your mother, if she is your mother, is Kira’s equal.”

 

Sloan lifted her eyebrows. “So you don’t think she is my mother?”

 

Delphine shrugged. “There is no doubt you both carry her genes in some way. You look and move very much like her. But if you are her daughter, the timing is strange. She only had one daughter that I know of, and you cannot be her. She would have been about the same age as you, and it would be odd for you to have been born around the same time without anyone knowing about you.”

 

“I…” This news shook Sloan to her core. All this time, she had believed Melissa was her mother, had staked her burgeoning new identity on being Melissa Shae’s daughter. Her mind wheeled as it tried to reprocess all she knew about herself.

 

Aithne’s voice broke through Sloan’s scrambling thoughts. “What do you mean, ‘she would have been the same age’? Did something happen to her?”

 

“Yes, she died. She and her childhood friend ran off to get married against Melissa’s wishes, so Melissa had her assassins hunt them down. They died on the pass between Hammerfell and Skyrim.” Delphine shook her head. “Of the twenty assassins sent to kill them, only two survived. Trendil was nearly as gifted as her mother.”

 

Sloan’s body jerked as the shock of this revelation passed through it. Her brain scrambled to switch paths from ‘Melissa might not be your mother’ to, “Wait…Trendil? She’s…she’s dead?!”

 

Aithne cursed as Delphine glanced from one to the other, nodding. “Yes. Did you know her?”

 

“I…yes. She was the most amazing swordfighter I have ever seen.” Sloan shook her head, trying to get her brain to process this information. “I was really counting on her help again.”

 

“Swordfighter? She was an assassin. As you well know, swords are not the usual tools of that trade.”

 

“What?” Sloan shook her head. “The Trendil we knew was a soldier for the Stormcloaks and was amazing with swords. I got no indication she had anything to do with any of the Tongs.”

 

“Um…” Aithne cleared her throat. “What is a Tong? Is that a kind of school for swordsmen? Because, as I understand it, that’s what Melissa does – teaches at a swordsman’s school.”

 

“No, a Tong is what they call guilds for assassins.” Delphine took her turn to shake her head. “As far as I know, Melissa has never run any kind of school, especially one for swordsmen – she hated the things. She said she found them clumsy.”

 

They sat for a time just looking at each other, but the conflicting realities failed to coalesce into something understandable.

 

Finally, Sloan sighed and said, “I assume this is some difference between our Skyrim and this one. There have been a fair number of them so far. But this one…hurts the most. I was really counting on Trendil to help us again.” She gave a soft laugh. “She’s who I was looking for in Windhelm when we crossed paths. No wonder I couldn’t find her!”

 

Even as she said the words, a memory bubbled to the surface – the Stormcloak recruiter gave Sloan both an irritated scowl and a valuable piece of information as she approached: “I told you, we don’t take women! This is exactly why – you’re clearly too stupid to understand what I’m saying.”  

 

He had recognized her. Or someone who looked like her. But if Trendil was dead, who else could it have been? Sian came briefly to mind, but Sloan discarded that idea as unlikely. Which left no one else, unless there was yet another doppelganger out there. Who had also happened to try to join the Stormcloaks, for some reason.

 

The more she examined it, the more only one scenario seemed to make sense. Sloan thought about sharing her growing suspicion but decided to hold onto it – she had nothing further to back up the flicker of hope that accompanied it. Instead, she shook her head to clear it and put the focus back on the present; if Trendil was alive, she would have to continue to fend for herself. For now.

 

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HM1919

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Will have to read this a second time later. For now only two things:

1.) @jfraserwas right, I do like the chapter.👍

2.) I feel like drawing a villainous moustache on a certain someone's face right about now. With the most permanent marker I can find. 🤔

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HM1919

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Right, done reading, and now I'm questioning how reliable Delphine's information is. I mean, yes, she's supposed to be competent, I know. But still, her knowing ALL the details regarding Trendil 2.0's death was pretty suspicious.

 

Did she just do her best Sherlock Holmes-impression and piece it all together after randomly visiting Haemar's Pass or is there perhaps another reason why she knew this stuff? For example because Melissa (or one of her agents) made her an offer she couldn't refuse? i.e. help us hunt down Trendil 2.0 and we won't do unpleseant things to you. And I mean, two out of twenty assassins supposedly got away. Who were those, I wonder, and how come Delphine knew this for a fact?

 

Also: Considering Delphine openly admitted that she'd be unable to best Melissa I'd not be surprised to find out that she also wouldn't be able to best one (or more) of her best agents. And surely, only the best would be good enough to hunt down Trendil 2.0.

All that being said, I don't expect this death to be all that relevant in upcoming chapters as long as Delphine's info about the number of Melissa's daughters was correct. If we, however, suddenly have Sian, Aithne and Sloan 2.0 on top of the four OG Shaes, then things could get pretty crazy. Guess we'll have to wait and see.👍🤔

jfraser

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2 hours ago, HM1919 said:

Right, done reading, and now I'm questioning how reliable Delphine's information is. I mean, yes, she's supposed to be competent, I know. But still, her knowing ALL the details regarding Trendil 2.0's death was pretty suspicious.

 

Did she just do her best Sherlock Holmes-impression and piece it all together after randomly visiting Haemar's Pass or is there perhaps another reason why she knew this stuff? For example because Melissa (or one of her agents) made her an offer she couldn't refuse? i.e. help us hunt down Trendil 2.0 and we won't do unpleseant things to you. And I mean, two out of twenty assassins supposedly got away. Who were those, I wonder, and how come Delphine knew this for a fact?

 

Also: Considering Delphine openly admitted that she'd be unable to best Melissa I'd not be surprised to find out that she also wouldn't be able to best one (or more) of her best agents. And surely, only the best would be good enough to hunt down Trendil 2.0.

All that being said, I don't expect this death to be all that relevant in upcoming chapters as long as Delphine's info about the number of Melissa's daughters was correct. If we, however, suddenly have Sian, Aithne and Sloan 2.0 on top of the four OG Shaes, then things could get pretty crazy. Guess we'll have to wait and see.👍🤔

 

Since we know Trendil is alive and frustrated but well, I can, for once, answer most of your questions without spoiling things.

 

First of all, Haemar's Pass is nowhere near the Skyrim/Hammerfell border. Haemar crosses the mountain between Ivarstead and Helgen and was a different ambush altogether, an Imperial ambush of Stormcloaks. The alleged murder of Trendil would have occurred roughly three weeks before that.

 

Delphine knows these things because she knows the people involved pretty well (it is a pretty tight knit little community - the text does not say, so we can only speculate on just how close they all are, but there is a decent chance Delphine is Trendil’s godmother (would that be Divinesmother in Tamriel?)). There would have been a lot of buzz around this community for momentous occasions such as the birth or death of a child.

 

Also, Delphine likely has spies/informants everywhere and keeps close eyes on people of interest, especially those she knows pretty well, because she trusts not a one of them.

 

It's kinda like being in the mob. XD

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fred200

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I do wish you were a screenwriter...

I could see a couple of seasons on Netflix from this, and better than most of their offerings.

Even the sex would not be too much these days.

jfraser

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11 minutes ago, fred200 said:

I do wish you were a screenwriter...

I could see a couple of seasons on Netflix from this, and better than most of their offerings.

Even the sex would not be too much these days.

I dunno. Rape and sexual slavery are still pretty taboo. It could work but it would have to be handled even more delicately than even i have done, and as Tirloque has pointed out in the past, I have (intentionally) dampened the worst parts of those scenes.

 

That said, I have thought about rewriting these without the Skyrim setting to get it out of fanfic territory and into reach of a broader audience. 

fred200

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For a reminder of what is OK on television, google "best of game of thrones sex scenes". Pretty big envelope.

Your writing is far better than the average series. Literate even... Still needs more Latin though.

Loverslab would not let me embed a video...

jfraser

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8 hours ago, fred200 said:

For a reminder of what is OK on television, google "best of game of thrones sex scenes". Pretty big envelope.

Your writing is far better than the average series. Literate even... Still needs more Latin though.

Loverslab would not let me embed a video...

 

I watched GoT. It gets a little edgy but nothing really akin to Aithne’s story. Some of the Rome inspired shows - most notably Spartacus -  get close, so maybe it could happen.

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MTB

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Ah, I had also not read that carefully enough and thought this meant the ambush was actually Melissa's agents pretending to be Imperial Soldiers,

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while that would put a huge twist on Trendil's revenge story and explain their fighting skills as, while no where near enough against Trendil, they were  `seasoned killing machines', it would have conflicted with their initial act of patronizing Trendil, they would have known the risk she posed (well maybe not as a swords woman, but they would not have played games with what they knew to be a seasoned assassin), so

mystery solved.

 

 

9 hours ago, HM1919 said:

perhaps another reason why she knew this stuff?

Delphine did not seem to realize Trendil was supposed to be dead when she met Sloan in Windhelm. She may have managed to play things very close to the chest, but it seems more likely that she did not have that information at the time and it was that encounter that prompted her to, besides researching dragons, also catch up on all information she could get on Melissa's family and Tong.

 

Still not clear on some things though.

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Clearly when Trendil was sent to this new Skyrim `Skyrim 2.0' if you will (I'll avoid calling it Skyrim SE ;) ) her things came with her including her Markus, as he was at the pass so did not die weeks earlier, which explains her stuff being there, including the swords. Trendil giving up her special swords is unthinkable but they were gifted to her after graduating the academy. If Trendil 2.0 was not a sword's person, she would not have them. Likely she would not be carrying any swords, maybe some daggers, but not swords, especially as she was trying to start a new life.  So why would she be carrying a license for swords and, even if she was, how does it end up somewhere she never managed to get to.

I guess to bring Trendil (and her things) to this new reality, it would be necessary to fit them in it. While the sword's existence was not an issue, these exist in Skyrim 2.0 as well, a swords woman carrying them without the accompanying license would simply be too unlikely in Skyrim 2.0, an entropic anomaly that the spell would have to compensate for by creating the license...


My previous theory about the sisters pretty much shot by the epic revelations in this installment.

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So I guess it's safe to share it now; the theory being that the three sisters were actually sisters (triplets, each gifted in one pillar of power; combat, magic, and subterfuge). In that theory their father wanted Melissa to give up the school in hopes it would protect the children from her enemies. Yet Melissa, besides being unwilling to do so, realised it would not be enough to keep her children save.  So she tried to hide the fact there were multiple daughters and kept one child, Trendil, with her, highly visibly, and trained her, as hard as she could, trying to preparing Trendil for the troubles Melissa knew would one day find her.
The other two children she sent away. Never to make contact or even inquiries for fear of leading her enemies straight to them. The second child Aithne went with the father to the other end of Hammerfell. Even there the name Melissa might be mentioned, but to young Aithne she would have been vaguely brushed off as being some distance relative, leading her to think it was perhaps a cousin of her father.
The third child, whom we now know as Sloan but whose real name might have been lost to all but Melissa, would be send even further away, maybe Morrowind but we'll likely never know. Yet, obviously she never made it there. Some tragedy befell her escort in the Rift while the infant Sloan somehow survived and, when found, was taken to the orphanage.

 

How does that explain Sian? As she was pulled into Skyrim (from an Earth where she may or may not have a scone making, tea party throwing, Auntie Lissa) she had to be given form, a suitable form that matched her self image (likely resembling even if not necessarily exactly matching her earthly appearance), and one that would be powerful enough to take the role of dragonborn and lead the mortals in facing Alduin. (Despite old Sam's claims he likes the mortals of Tamriel, with their near infinite potential for debauchery and as such does not mind taking an active interest, as long as it also involved having lots of fun and wine, song, dance and, well you know).  When looking for such a form the power of the three sisters shone so she was created in their image.

 

With that pretty much out the door my current theory is that all the sisters are actually the same person from different instances of the multiverse. Perhaps pulled into the same Skyrim when a certain Daedric Lord used a botched summoning spell to started messing with realities. (That's vague enough a theory that I can share it without fearing it being monkey wrench inducing.)
It seems uncertain whether Sanguine actually realizes there are different sisters in the same reality now. He encountered Aithne and Sian but gave no indication that he knew them to be different people.  Some hints seem to point to the opposite actually. If he did notice, perhaps on encountering Aithne, his `You're not supposed to be here' to Aithne's spirit might have been meant in more ways that one.

Yep, overthinking things as usual.  In any case, great chapter as always.

 

HM1919

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34 minutes ago, MTB said:

Delphine did not seem to realize Trendil was supposed to be dead when she met Sloan in Windhelm. She may have managed to play things very close to the chest, but it seems more likely that she did not have that information at the time and it was that encounter that prompted her to, besides researching dragons, also catch up on all information she could get on Melissa's family and Tong.

So, what you're suggesting is that Delphine found Trendil 2.0's body after meeting Sloan in Windhelm while she was on her way back to Riverwood. Correct? Unfortunately I don't really see how that could be the case.

For one because going through Haemar's Pass would be quite a bit of a detour, considering.

And secondly, and more importantly, because the attack on Trendil 2.0 happend three weeks before OG Trendil even arrived in Skyrim 2.0 and fought the Imperials. (See JFraser's comment above).

This makes it rather unlikely that Delphine would have been able to find clear evidence for the earlier fight (Trendil 2.0 vs. Assassins) after another battle (Cloaks vs. Imps) had rolled through that same area and several more weeks had past. (I say several more weeks had past because by the time Delphine 2.0 met OG Sloan in Windhelm OG Trendil had had enough time to make it to Windhelm and get rejected by the Stormcloak-Recruiter. Something that Sloan figured out towards the end of this chapter.) 

So, the way I see it Delphine most likely knew about Trendil 2.0's death by the time she met Sloan in Windhelm. Why she didn't say anything to Sloan, however, I can't say.  

jfraser

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9 hours ago, MTB said:

Ah, I had also not read that carefully enough and thought this meant the ambush was actually Melissa's agents pretending to be Imperial Soldiers,

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mystery solved.

 

You are correct. Those were just normal imperial soldiers who were " seasoned killing machines" because Trendil could tell they were not greenhorns from the way they worked together and did not have many openings for her to easily exploit. 

 

9 hours ago, MTB said:

 

Delphine did not seem to realize Trendil was supposed to be dead when she met Sloan in Windhelm. She may have managed to play things very close to the chest, but it seems more likely that she did not have that information at the time and it was that encounter that prompted her to, besides researching dragons, also catch up on all information she could get on Melissa's family and Tong.

 

It should be noted, and I shall say this again when I also respond to HM's similar point below, that sloan never mentioned Trendil by name when speaking to Delphine in Windhelm. She simply said "a family member" and, in fact, delphine specifically said "he" might turn the tide of the war, so it seems clear she assumed it was a male family member( because she would know the storm cloaks only took men) and would have had no reason to interpret sloan's statement to mean trendil. 

 

 

9 hours ago, MTB said:

Still not clear on some things though.

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Big NO COMMENT on this one. ;)

 

9 hours ago, MTB said:

My previous theory about the sisters pretty much shot by the epic revelations in this installment.

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Yep, overthinking things as usual.  In any case, great chapter as always.

 

I absolutely adore and encourage overthought theories ❤️

 

8 hours ago, HM1919 said:

So, what you're suggesting is that Delphine found Trendil 2.0's body after meeting Sloan in Windhelm while she was on her way back to Riverwood. Correct? Unfortunately I don't really see how that could be the case.

 

I understood MTB to mean simply that delphine  had not heard about trendil 2.0's death when she spoke to sloan in Windhelm, not that Delphine necessarily found the body herself. 

 

8 hours ago, HM1919 said:

For one because going through Haemar's Pass would be quite a bit of a detour, considering.

And secondly, and more importantly, because the attack on Trendil 2.0 happend three weeks before OG Trendil even arrived in Skyrim 2.0 and fought the Imperials. (See JFraser's comment above).

This makes it rather unlikely that Delphine would have been able to find clear evidence for the earlier fight (Trendil 2.0 vs. Assassins) after another battle (Cloaks vs. Imps) had rolled through that same area and several more weeks had past.

 

 

The alleged murder of Trendil 2.0 was not at Haemar's Pass. As stated above, that is nowhere near the border of skyrim and hammerfell ( although now that I look at a map, the gate to Hammerfell is actually closer than I thought, because I thought it was much farther north above markarth, but it is actually near the southern border closer to falkreath). See map in next post

 

8 hours ago, HM1919 said:

 

 

(I say several more weeks had past because by the time Delphine 2.0 met OG Sloan in Windhelm OG Trendil had had enough time to make it to Windhelm and get rejected by the Stormcloak-Recruiter. Something that Sloan figured out towards the end of this chapter.) 

So, the way I see it Delphine most likely knew about Trendil 2.0's death by the time she met Sloan in Windhelm. Why she didn't say anything to Sloan, however, I can't say.  

 

She did not say anything to Sloan because, as I mentioned to MTB, delphine had no idea trendil had anything to do with the discussion. 

 

All that said, it is true we do not know exactly when delphine came upon her information. I can say for the record that my math previously was wrong because I was trying to look it up on my phone. Now that I am back at my computer, I can say that Trendil 2.0's alleged death happened 27 days prior to and 250 miles (402 km) to the west of the Imperial ambush that started Trendil OG on her path.

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HM1919

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8 hours ago, jfraser said:

The alleged murder of Trendil 2.0 was not at Haemar's Pass. As stated above, that is nowhere near the border of skyrim and hammerfell ( although now that I look at a map, it is actually closer than I thought, because I thought it was much farther north above markarth, but it is actually near the southern border closer to falkreath). See map in next post

 

Oooops, looks like I got my geography completely wrong. I thought the pass near Haemar's Shame was still close enough to Hammerfell to count. Even though it's arguably closer to Cyrodiil than Hammerfell. Another mistake I made (yet again) was to not consider the increased size of your Skyrim. So, yeah, thanks for clearing that up.😊

 

8 hours ago, jfraser said:

I understood MTB to mean simply that delphine  had not heard about trendil 2.0's death when she spoke to sloan in Windhelm, not that Delphine necessarily found the body herself. 

Alright. In that case I wonder who that very reliable and trustworthy source was. I mean, Delphine alledgedly doesn't trust anybody. Yet still, she clearly found someone who's word she trusted enough to tell Sloan that Trendil 2.0 is certainly dead.  Which means it couldn't have been one of the remaining assassins, no? Hmmm... I have a suspicion who it might be... Dang it! Sometimes I really don't like having to be patient.😆

 

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jfraser

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6 hours ago, HM1919 said:

Oooops, looks like I got my geography completely wrong. I thought the pass near Haemar's Shame was still close enough to Hammerfell to count. Even though it's arguably closer to Cyrodiil than Hammerfell. Another mistake I made (yet again) was to not consider the increased size of your Skyrim. So, yeah, thanks for clearing that up.😊

 

Alright. In that case I wonder who that very reliable and trustworthy source was. I mean, Delphine alledgedly doesn't trust anybody. Yet still, she clearly found someone who's word she trusted enough to tell Sloan that Trendil 2.0 is certainly dead.  Which means it couldn't have been one of the remaining assassins, no? Hmmm... I have a suspicion who it might be... Dang it! Sometimes I really don't like having to be patient.😆

 

Delphine does have her spy network. As for trust, there is a big difference between "I don't trust you to tell me the truth when something happens to my goddaughter" and "I don't trust that you won't plant a knife in my back at the earliest opportunity." :)

HM1919

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3 hours ago, jfraser said:

Delphine does have her spy network. As for trust, there is a big difference between "I don't trust you to tell me the truth when something happens to my goddaughter" and "I don't trust that you won't plant a knife in my back at the earliest opportunity." :)

Not sure I understand what you mean here. The first example essentially says "I expect you to lie to me about what happend to my goddaughter" and the second one means "I expect you to stab me in the back, given half a chance". Correct? If so, then I fail to see what the big difference is, since neither makes the person seem trustworthy in any way.

 

That kind of trust is not what I meant anyway. What I meant is Delphine's need to trust in her sources ability to reliably identify Trendil.  I'm assuming that Trendil's apparence was not common knowledge, so anyone able to convince Delphine that her goddaughter was indeed killed, was either someone who Delphine knew was close to Trendil or at least someone who could show that he/she had a very good idea what Melissa's daughter looked like. 

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jfraser

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33 minutes ago, HM1919 said:

Not sure I understand what you mean here. The first example essentially says "I expect you to lie to me about what happend to my goddaughter" and the second one means "I expect you to stab me in the back, given half a chance". Correct? If so, then I fail to see what the big difference is, since neither makes the person seem trustworthy in any way.

 

That kind of trust is not what I meant anyway. What I meant is Delphine's need to trust in her sources ability to reliably identify Trendil.  I'm assuming that Trendil's apparence was not common knowledge, so anyone able to convince Delphine that her goddaughter was indeed killed, was either someone who Delphine knew was close to Trendil or at least someone who could show that he/she had a very good idea what Melissa's daughter looked like. 

 

hmm...this is kind of hard to explain. XD

 

those are just two different example/definitions of what "trust" might mean, based on how i understood your question.

 

the first is meant to be a negative example. that is to say, it is something Delphine would not actually think., since the birth/death of someone she is reasonably familiar with is family (if you will - I am not saying Delphine is literally related to Melissa) information, Delphine would trust Melissa to tell her the truth about something like that. 

 

this is in contrast to "we are in a profession/environment where literal backstabbing is not only a concern but a real likelihood, if the other person feels it will benefit them," so, although Delphine and Melissa are close enough to each other that Delphine could very well be Trendil 2.0's godmother, Delphine would not turn her back on Melissa.

 

To extend that to your second question, we are talking still about the people in this relatively close-knit community, so I would expect them to know what Trendil looked like, just as Mallin and Delphine (and Kira, for that matter) instantly recognized Sloan last time.

HM1919

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I think I got it now. Thank you.😊 @jfraser

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