25% chance of triggering Simple Slavery++ on defeat, and it happens the very first time. That's a bit of bad luck.

Any day I find one of your posts - is a good day. Keep them coming!

34 minutes ago, fred200 said:

Any day I find one of your posts - is a good day. Keep them coming!

Thank you! For my part, I appreciate that you're taking the time to comment

All the licensing stuff around towns, was it just RP or is there a mod for that ? sl adventures allow to make a few things unlawful, but last time I checked there was no possibility to have any license for that... Yeah I should have posted that after an episode talking about these licenses !

And I identified body search too, which makes lockpicks illegal, which can become a real problem sometimes, storing them in horses when using immersive horses is a solution, even if it's not really very immersive (you can open the horse inventory from anywhere, saving from any trouble very fast).

1 hour ago, zelurker said:

All the licensing stuff around towns, was it just RP or is there a mod for that ?

I'm pretty sure they're using the license system from Sexlab Survival. 

4 hours ago, zelurker said:

All the licensing stuff around towns, was it just RP or is there a mod for that ? sl adventures allow to make a few things unlawful, but last time I checked there was no possibility to have any license for that... Yeah I should have posted that after an episode talking about these licenses !

And I identified body search too, which makes lockpicks illegal, which can become a real problem sometimes, storing them in horses when using immersive horses is a solution, even if it's not really very immersive (you can open the horse inventory from anywhere, saving from any trouble very fast).

Yeah, as @Tangerin_ said, that's a feature from SL Survival. I've had that mod in my load order for a while, but this is the first time I've used the license feature. It's properly oppressive that's for sure, and adds a whole other dynamic to the game. Basically, whenever you pass a gate you'll have to have the license or plan for not bringing certain gear with you (or, you know, lose your spellcasting ability). It's not necessarily something I want in every game, but it's pretty awesome for the games where you want it. In this case I justify it as anti-Dunmer racism.

3 hours ago, Tangerin_ said:

I'm pretty sure they're using the license system from Sexlab Survival. 

That's exactly right. It has a lot of features, most if which I have off in any given game. But the ones I switch on, whichever ones they are, really help define the game experience.

There's something delicious about deciding whether to get the "whore license" (the price of which I've set as quite low in the MCM) or whether to pay way more for the (functionally equivalent but much more expensive) "curfew license", given the importance of money in the game.

And it's in combination with skyrim underground or skyrim sewers to try to find alternate ways to exit the towns ? I guess it's skyrim underground given the big underground network linking towns... To finish the thing eventually something to rebalance economy, especially the rewards which become especially high after a certain level (you get more than 1000 septims just for delivering something next door !).

Thanks for the ideas !

(ps : you wanted to test the capture system in chap 7, taking more and more risks while going alone without any follower, it was quite obvious that it would finish badly !).

ps2 : I'd suggest some cotr mods if you want to improve the looks of your character for posting photos, search for cotr in the nexus...

11 hours ago, zelurker said:

And it's in combination with skyrim underground or skyrim sewers to try to find alternate ways to exit the towns ? I guess it's skyrim underground given the big underground network linking towns... To finish the thing eventually something to rebalance economy, especially the rewards which become especially high after a certain level (you get more than 1000 septims just for delivering something next door !).

Yeah, it's Skyrim Underground.

The problem I ran into is that none of the creatures are covered by my implementation of SoS (so any Sex Lab type consequences are less compelling). Also, it seems to be quite a challenge to find an actual exit, but if I spent more time exploring it might work. But yes, that was the idea.

11 hours ago, zelurker said:

Thanks for the ideas !

My pleasure

11 hours ago, zelurker said:

(ps : you wanted to test the capture system in chap 7, taking more and more risks while going alone without any follower, it was quite obvious that it would finish badly !).

I honestly thought it was going to be fine. The gear Ephedrina had ( ) is significantly OP for her level, and everything prior had been way too easy.

But yes, in retrospect it was perhaps inevitable  

11 hours ago, zelurker said:

ps2 : I'd suggest some cotr mods if you want to improve the looks of your character for posting photos, search for cotr in the nexus...

Thanks for the tip. I'll give it a look for the next time I revamp my mod list... which will probably be after this playthrough. It turns out that I enjoy messing around with mods as much as I do actually playing

I quickly tested sl survival, it's too much hassle for me. I had to restart to have the option of the temporary licenses since I started in Whiterun and I didn't want to escape from the city without any good gear on my side. After that, even with these temporary licenses, I took an armor from a dead bandit at a guard watch tower, and mere seconds later one of the guards literally took the armor from my back, saying it was too heavy for me... ! I have no idea which option triggered that, too many options in there, from my point of view it should not have happened. End of the test for me, but the idea is interesting anyway !

15 minutes ago, zelurker said:

I quickly tested sl survival, it's too much hassle for me. I had to restart to have the option of the temporary licenses since I started in Whiterun and I didn't want to escape from the city without any good gear on my side. After that, even with these temporary licenses, I took an armor from a dead bandit at a guard watch tower, and mere seconds later one of the guards literally took the armor from my back, saying it was too heavy for me... ! I have no idea which option triggered that, too many options in there, from my point of view it should not have happened. End of the test for me, but the idea is interesting anyway !

Yeah, there's a lot there to turn off or on and figure out how it works and fine tune it. Took me a long time to get a sense of SL Survival, and I had licenses disabled for quite a while.

For me, the longest and most complex part of starting a new game is setting up all the MCM options for the mods I'm using

For SL Survival, there is a "snowberry" start that gives a you a short term license for everything you've enabled at the outset. But yeah, you have to be in the right mood for digging into MCM settings and assimilating them, that's for sure.

Ok, I returned to it to find what was the problem here. It was the bikini armors, because the mod insists on having the bikini armor license 1st, and so when you start with the snowberry thing like me, you get a temporary license for bikini armors, but not for normal armors ! The consequence is that the guards confiscate all normal armors in your inventory or that you are wearing ! (actually they removed the body slot, not the other slots...).

Since I don't have any bikini armor mod installed, I just disabled this license, and I had to restart to get my proper temporary armor license, good for 7 days. While playing with a low timescale (which you usually do when using a needs mod because otherwise you spend your time eating and drinking !), 7 days it's very long, but on the other hand their licenses are very expensive, even prohibitive about the same price as a house, but I'll try to keep the defaults for now to see how it goes... I also disabled the tolls, I can understand these licenses to limit any risk of violence in town, but these tolls don't make sense, we don't want to recreate emirate arab government in skyrim ! And I converted this to open cities using an automatic ssedit script, it worked, but you need to start a new game to see the changes (I started quite a few new games to setup all this correctly !).

Anyway thanks for the tips, I'll see how it goes from here.

For skyrim underworld I have no idea where the entrance is, I know it's not outside in the cities to be compatible with open cities, but it doesn't tell me where it is, and the map system you have to buy doesn't make things easier !

And I understand better your dilemma with your devious follower, you can recruit them for free, but they ask money every day, and the prices per day constantly increases ! Well if you play with a lot of followers in the game you can change often, but in the game you chose where this one was about the only one available, it could become a problem rather quickly ! But for now I have one at timescale 10 in my 1st day, so I am enjoying my time !

1 hour ago, zelurker said:

Ok, I returned to it to find what was the problem here.

Glad I could help, and glad you're having fun!

I don't use the bikini armour license either (or the clothes license/ freedom license/ property license either for that matter). I've also adjust to price and time scale for the license to what made sense to me (2 days for a short one... 10 days I think for a long one, but I haven't been able to justify buying a long term license yet

And yeah, I normally disable the tolls... but this is the game where I wanted to try them out. Like I think I said, I justify them as anti-Dunmer racism and assume it doesn't apply to anyone else. Just to add that layer of oppression on top. I'm also not shy about toggling options on and off in the MCM depending on how the story goes. So, say, if Ephedrina becomes a Thane or some such she'll not have to pay tolls and I'll probably turn off licenses as well as they don't make sense being applied to the upper classes IMO.

3 hours ago, Anunya said:

 

And yeah, I normally disable the tolls... but this is the game where I wanted to try them out. Like I think I said, I justify them as anti-Dunmer racism and assume it doesn't apply to anyone else.

Well normally they have lots of dunmers arriving from morrowind in windhelm. Since they are racists anti dunmers, they'd want them to pass through as fast as possible, but as you showed in your story, these tolls have the opposite effect here, it took her a long time to be able to leave the town, which is a paradox in this case ! Tolls for residents because they don't like them is ok in this case, but not for those who just pass through.

And you could also justify the snowberry licenses as some tourist visa in fact. Something which allows them to go freely for 1 or 2 weeks before restrictions apply...

But for sure this gives more complexity and depth to the stories !

For what it's worth, I think my express game to test this kind of setup has turned the tide. The turning point was in solitude, back from winterhold (mainly to get some very useful teleport spells, especially with all these guards). I was very short on money obviously, and hesitated to take a carriage to Riften to continue from there. Finally I decided to try to take a horse (with immersive horses you can claim horses when they are free, there is one near a bandit camp very near whiterun, and I had the luck to find another one between winterhold and saarthal, surrounded by dead bandits !), with my current follower, Kasumi, from a JackGa thread from this site too. She asks to find her clone alpha-152, but I just ignore her, this clone is a giant version of her and you can't fight it at low level. She has the devious type, I just lowered the time they ask for more gold, from 8 hours to 24 hours which seems more reasonable for me. I also disabled the dismemberment options after testing them (you loose a limb way too easily despite the options added to avoid that, plus you would bleed to death in a situation like that, so it's not at all immersive).

Anyway it happens Kasumi is the equivalent of you high level equipment but as a follower, very efficient to support me in the fights, we cleared the bandits in their camp to the south of dragon bridge without any difficulty, that's where I sensed it was probably a good idea to choose this road after all.

Then the shroud of the grey fox from cloaks of skyrim behind the farm near rorickstead.

Then finally the jade statue required by Auryon from the lotd museum in solitude (it's a very good source of money in early game).

As a matter of fact I still had the divine elegance shop installed, and it was on the road to this jade statue, so I decided to stop there, and there are quite a few powerful items which are free to take from the shop. Yeah I could have decided that it was too easy and immersion breaking and not take them, I took an easier approach : a magical place where you receive some tacit help from strangers... ! The most interesting stuff : some much better bow than the ancient nord bow I had from saarthal, an amulet to get 25% better prices (I guess they left this one in the shop to compensate for some high prices there, but it's also very useful particularly at the begining of the game when you are out of money like here), some spiritual gems, and some gemstones to craft some jewellery at the forge later (using immersive jewellery). I am still on my temporary licenses, so I didn't see yet the end of the problems, but I feel a lot more confident suddenly ! 3rd day of the game at timescale 10 (plus I got quite some gold on the road and paying Kasumi if she asks some won't be a problem !).

About devious followers I had a bug when meeting meeko, the mod chose it as a devious follower which doesn't make much sense but it was impossible to remove its devious status because the mod doesn't recognize its specific dialog to dismiss him. So I had to use the debug option to remove him, it worked. I think it's a good idea to choose some basic follower which can be non devious anyway because otherwise this is going to be very expensive in the end. I also lowered the cost at level 100 from the mcm, even if at level 100 you win tons of money without doing anything, it doesn't make much sense to pay that much.

I was lucky one on the road though, I have savage skyrim, and there were 2 sabre cats on the road to markarth which had done a slaughter with the animals on the road, and if they get you by surprise it's almost impossible to win the fight. Well naked defeat wasn't configured for creatures, so it just saved me from death and that's all. Since the situation was quite ridiculous, I reloaded. The next time they couldn't surprise me, but it was close anyway, they are terrible foes especially when there are 2 !

That low-angle shot of Gascayn is great. A new perspective that perfectly encapsulates the reversal in social station.

1 hour ago, Buridan said:

That low-angle shot of Gascayn is great. A new perspective that perfectly encapsulates the reversal in social station.

Thanks you!

Good to see you