Lugubrious0ne Posted April 6, 2017 Posted April 6, 2017 I seem to be running into a lot of problems these days... I was getting near a perfect HDT setup, with hair, boobs, butt, vag and appropriate collisions working as I wanted. In my efforts to fix the "inward belly when running" bug I seem to have broken something. Now I ONLY get HDT on breasts and butt, with no collisions. No HDT hair functions are working, or HDT vag. Not very experienced with modding so I don't know where to start. I guess this means my HDTphysicsextensionsdefaultBBP.xml is working and the other HDT xmls I have (hdtvagina.xml etc) are not. I'm at my wits end with this. Any help is appreciated. I really don't know how I broke it. HDT applies to NOTHING apart from boobs and butt, and collisions have disappeared. Does anyone have suggestions for what has gone wrong? Thanks in advance, friends.
27X Posted April 6, 2017 Posted April 6, 2017 What has likely gone wrong is allocation, and unfortunately your only 100% absolute fix is reinstalling the setup again. I'm going to assume in advance you fixed the speed at which PE applies itself to things, aka "the 255 fix" already. Also if you changed anything involving your skeleton recently this can occasionally happen with PE on intel set ups for some reason.
Lugubrious0ne Posted April 6, 2017 Author Posted April 6, 2017 Interesting... and thanks for the quick reply by the way! One thing I can think of that I did change before the problem is adding a [HAVOK] setting to my skyrim.ini, where I inserted lines from the HOW TO INSTALL HDT post on this forum. Might these lines have anything to do with my issue? [HAVOK]iNumThreads=4bHavokDebug=0fMaxTime=0.0157bDebugMultithreaded=0 I haven't heard of any "255 fix". What is that and how would I try it? As far as reinstalling the setup (yup, I'm on intel), do you mean installing all of my HDT-related mods, the whole game, or something else? Again, many thanks for the help. After many hours it turns out I'm too much of an eejit to work this stuff out on my own!
27X Posted April 6, 2017 Posted April 6, 2017 resintall would be HDT and the PE SKSE folder, XPMSE, and realistc ragdolls and force. the "255 fix" is opening your PE xmls and finding <hkparam name="maxLinearVelocity"> and <hkparam name="maxAngularVelocity"> changing all the vlaues to 255 ala <hkparam name="value">255</hkparam> with notepad++ As for the ini, I'm not certain whether that would have any effect or not, but you might try getting rid of it and seeing what happen before you nuke everything Also do new start before you do anything and see if you have jiggles and collision, if you do then it's an allocation thing and reinstalling PE is what you're going to need to do to keep it from failing again later during an active load. PE also tends to fail with absurd regularity if you have autosaving enabled.
Lugubrious0ne Posted April 6, 2017 Author Posted April 6, 2017 IT WORKED! Thank you so much! I tried removing the .INI tweak first. No luck, as expected. I also checked all my .XMLs in notepad++, and all the relevant values are 255 already. I feel like I had reinstalled my HDT files 10000 times already, but it seems I missed something. After a reinstall of HDTPE, XPMSE and Realistic Ragdolls, all my collisions started working again, and hair physics etc were restored. As realistic ragdolls is the only one I had not reinstalled since the problem began, it's possible that this was the issue. ONE LAST QUESTION and then I can finally quit Skyrim and go back to the Witcher 3 (just kidding, I guess I'll actually play this game now instead of messing with it): I know this has come up a few times on the forum and fixes have been suggested, but whenever I try XMLs with HDT belly enabled, the belly (although fine when standing) caves inward and through my character's back when running. Vertical belly movement (when jumping) also looks a bit odd - like the belly physics lag behind the rest of the model. When running what I end up with is a 'triangle' of HDT belly clipping through my character's back, and completely carved-out stomach area. I have been looking for solution for ages (I have a post on this forum about it), but the only thing that has worked is turning off HDT belly entirely. 27X, you seem to be pretty knowledgeable. Any ideas about this problem? It is the final building block of my perfect skyrim. If you can help I will actually name my horse after you. Thanks again, and sorry to tag on yet another question in a solved topic! EDIT: Scratch that. It didn't work after all. I was able to get everything working again, as I said above, but the next time I loaded the save, all of the physics were gone except butt and boobs.
Lugubrious0ne Posted April 6, 2017 Author Posted April 6, 2017 EDIT: Don't know if this helps, but I'm attaching my hdtPhysicsExtensions.log. Should there be something else loading here? So, as I said above in my edit, the fix worked for the ten minutes I played before quitting. Every time afterwards, there were no physics aside from those included in the HDTphysicsextensionsdefaultBBP.xml in my game. No amount of reinstalling the components of HDT setup has helped since then. When I load a new game with ONLY the relevant HDT files, these physics do work. Does this mean that something in my load order is stopping physics from applying to anything aside from boobs and butt? Nothing is overwriting HDTPE apart from my alternative HDTphysicsextensionsdefaultBBP.xml, nothing is overwriting Realistic Ragdolls apart from XPMSE, and neither SKSE nor XPMSE are overwritten by anything. I'm pretty much done at this point - I've invested waaaaay too many hours into this thing. But in case anyone has a bright idea of what might be stopping all HDT physics apart from the default XML from running (despite multiple reinstalls and careful checking for overwrites), I'll paste my load order below. Many thanks: 00 Skyrim.esm 01 Update.esm 02 Dawnguard.esm 03 HearthFires.esm 04 Dragonborn.esm 05 Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm 06 Wyrmstooth.esp [Version 1.16] 07 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp [Version 3.0.2b] 08 SexLab.esm [Version 1.62] 09 Devious Devices - Assets.esm [Version 2.8.3] 0A SexLabAroused.esm [Version 2.8] 0B ZaZAnimationPack.esm 0C Devious Devices - Integration.esm 0D daymoyl.esm 0E Devious Devices - Expansion.esm 0F hdtHighHeel.esm 10 Heels Sound.esm 11 JSwords.esm [Version 14.0] 12 CreatureFramework.esm [Version 1.0.0] 13 Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm 14 Havok Breast Physic.esm 15 Holds.esp 16 WetandCold.esp 17 RelightingSkyrim-NoScripts.esp 18 Differently Ebony.esp 19 Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp 1A DSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.esp 1B Balanced_Magic_Dawnguard.esp 1C Bathing in Skyrim - Main.esp 1D RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp 1E Convenient Horses.esp 1F NewmGlassRobe.esp 20 SexLabNudeCreatures.esp 21 SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp 22 SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp 23 SkyUI.esp 24 Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp 25 Enhanced Landscapes.esp 26 ELE_Legendary_Lite.esp 27 3DNPC.esp [Version 3.3] 28 Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin.esp 29 Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp 2A CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp 2B RelightingSkyrim_DB.esp 2C Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp 2D Book Covers Skyrim.esp 2E Enhanced Landscapes - Barren Marsh.esp 2F RelightingSkyrim_DG.esp 30 Helgen Reborn.esp [Version 105.3] 31 RealisticWaterTwo.esp 32 AOS.esp [Version 2.5.1DGDB] 33 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp 34 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp [Version v6.5.2b] 35 BrighterTorches.esp 36 aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp 37 RealisticWaterTwo - Wyrmstooth.esp 38 SkyrimCoinReplacerRedux.esp 39 SoS - The Wilds.esp [Version 1.13] 3A 83Willows_101BUGS_V4_HighRes_HighSpawn.esp 3B Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp 3C Wintermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp 3D Scarcity - Less Loot Mod.esp 3E Immersive Weapons.esp 3F Lore Weapon Expansion.esp [Version 1.4a] 40 SoS - Civilization.esp [Version 1.02] 41 RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp 42 Lightweight Potions and Poisons.esp 43 HoldsInterestingNPCsCompatibilityPatch.esp 44 WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp 45 Unique Uniques.esp [Version 1.8] 46 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp 47 TradeBarter.esp 48 Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp [Version v6.5.2a] 49 BDIC.esp 4A SoS - The Dungeons.esp [Version 1.23] 4B AOS2_SoS Patch.esp 4C Havok Breast Physic.esp 4D Dr_Bandolier.esp 4E PrvtI_HeavyArmory.esp 4F HentaiCreatures.esp 50 RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp 51 SMIM-Merged-All.esp 52 sanguinesDebauchery.esp 53 RelightingSkyrim_HF.esp 54 Mannequin.esp 55 Cum Alchemy.esp 56 Deviously Cursed Loot.esp 57 SimpleSlavery.esp 58 RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp 59 Devious Deviants.esp 5A DeviouslyHelpless.esp 5B dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp 5C SLALAnimObj.esp 5D FNIS_PCEA2.esp 5E FNISSexyMove.esp 5F FNIS.esp 60 SexLabFuck'EmUp.esp 61 Gatti14Yumiko.esp 62 iHUD.esp 63 Immersive Patrols II.esp 64 SLAL_K4Anims.esp 65 KJ Tattoos 4K.esp 66 KS Hairdos - HDT.esp 67 KS Hairdo's.esp 68 LingerieSetCBBE3_2ByNausicaa.esp 69 LostGrimoire.esp 6A Merta Black Rose Armor.esp 6B MoreNastyCritters.esp 6C NameYourHorse.esp 6D RealisticRoomRental-Basic.esp 6E Predator Vision.esp 6F Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp 70 RaceMenu.esp 71 RaceMenuPlugin.esp 72 Remodeled Armor - Underwear.esp 73 Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dawnguard.esp 74 Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dragonborn.esp 75 RutahTattooPack.esp 76 SAP.esp ++ Scarcity - 6x Merchant Item Rarity.esp ++ Scarcity - 8x Loot Rarity.esp 77 SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp 78 SexyEveningDress.esp 79 SexyVest.esp 7A SkyTweak.esp 7B SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp ++ NibblesAnimObjects.esp 7C SLAnimLoader.esp 7D SlaveTats.esp 7E SlaveTatsEventsBridge.esp 7F SexLabDefeat.esp 80 mslDeviousCaptures.esp 81 SOS - ERF Equipable Horse Penis.esp 82 SOS - ERF Horse Penis Addon.esp 83 TERAArmors_CBBE.esp 84 TheCoenaculiCBBE.esp 85 The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp 86 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp [Version 9] 87 BS-TheHag_Overlays.esp 88 WWW.esp 89 WetandCold - Ashes.esp 8A WetFunction.esp 8B sr_FillHerUp.esp 8C sr_FillThemUp.esp 8D Enhanced Landscapes - Patch.esp 8E HoldsUSLEEPCompatibilityPatch.esp 8F SexLab_Dialogues.esp 90 SolitudeExterior.esp 91 ArmorConvert.esp 92 RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Wyrmstooth.esp 93 3DNPC Alternative Locations.esp 94 RealisticWaterTwo - Dragonborn.esp 95 HoldsHelgenRebornCompiliationPatch.esp 96 Blacksmith Chests.esp 97 Havok Breast Physic Dawnguard.esp 98 AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp 99 BDYEB.esp 9A RND_AnimalLoot.esp 9B SexLab_PaySexCrime.esp 9C Holds - SPOPatch.esp 9D XCES.esp 9E MatureSkinComplexions.esp 9F SOSRaceMenu.esp A0 CCO_SIC_Patch.esp A1 Spriggan Armor 2.esp A2 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp A3 SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp A4 SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp A5 SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp A6 AH Hotkeys.esp A7 AdditionalMusicProject.esp A8 AdditionalMusicProjectReplacer.esp A9 AOS2_EBT Patch.esp [Version 2.1] AA AOS2_Unique Uniques Patch.esp [Version 1.0] AB AOS2_WetandCold Patch.esp AC RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Dawnguard.esp AD RealisticWaterTwo - Dawnguard.esp AE Watercolor_for_ENB_RWT.esp AF FalmerBikini.esp B0 3DNPC - Winterhold Mods Patch.esp B1 WhiterunExterior.esp B2 DragonBoneBikini.esp B3 MF_RadiantProstitution.esp B4 adventurerMashupComp.esp B5 Dwarvenbikini.esp B6 SteelPlateBikini.esp B7 SteelBikini.esp B8 Wolfbikini.esp B9 Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp BA BladesBikini.esp BB Illustrious HDT Cloaks.esp BC SD Addons.esp BD SRG Enhanced Trees Activator.esp BE SRG_aspen_replacer.esp ++ DesyncBirdsOfPrey.esp BF HighHrothgarWindowGlow.esp C0 HHairstyles.esp C1 AzarHairPonyTail 03 - Havok.esp C2 Auto Unequip Ammo.esp C3 JSwords_Load_Screens.esp [Version 14.0] C4 Dr_BandolierDG.esp C5 TakeNotes.esp C6 Skyrim Particle Patch for ENB - Flame Atronach Fix.esp C7 EnhancedENBNightEye.esp C8 ELE_Wt_Lite.esp C9 ContinueGameNoCrash.esp CA NB-Scars.esp CB The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp CC Thief skills rebalance for Ordinator.esp CD Natural Lighting Vivid Atmospherics.esp CE Heavenly Weather Systems AoS.esp CF DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp D0 Vivid Weathers MCM.esp D1 Havok Breast Physic Dragonborn.esp D2 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp [Version 3.1.5a] D3 DynDOLOD.esp D4 Alternate Start -- New Beginnings.esp D5 HoldsAlternativeStartCompatibilityPatch.esp D6 XPMSE.esp D7 TES5Merged.esp D8 Bashed Patch, 0.esp hdtPhysicsExtensions.log
Lugubrious0ne Posted April 6, 2017 Author Posted April 6, 2017 The problem (again) seems to be solved. For whatever reason, HDT was not loading everything it was supposed to when loading a save. I believe this was due to Continue Game No Crash, which was used because of the large amount of animations I am working with. I removed Continue Game No Crash and a few animation packs (so my game would load without the FootIK error). Suddenly, all of my physics and collisions started working again. Can't say for sure that my assumption was right - maybe simply lowering the number of animations installed did the trick, or maybe there was a rogue file in one of the animation mods. Regardless, this fix worked for me, and it might do for someone else as well. EDIT: With regard to the "inward" belly bug mentioned elsewhere in this post - this is an FPS issue. Fixing my FPS smoothed out HDT belly behaviour and eliminated clipping.
27X Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 I would move down your animation and skeleton based files closer to the bottom, and also make sure you have crashfix installed and the hdt memory patch both installed and the ini thereof set correctly.
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