Guest GingerTom Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 I noticed on one of my polls there were 8 votes and 133 views to this moment. Interesting. :D
gregathit Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 I am breaking form to actually vote in this particular case....
gregathit Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 Whoever voted no is clearly lying I already said I was breaking form...... Do I have to confess every bad thing I have done back to hiding the chalkboard erasers from the nuns in third grade?????
thesapien Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 No. And I never lie. Okay, you got me. Truth is that I can never speak the truth.
Guest GingerTom Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 Do you always have to hurt my head? (My big head.)
Evilrunner Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 Jokes aside, I tend to only vote in some topics. It's mainly down to how much the question interests me I think more than anything. If it's not something I really feel like answering, I tend to just move past.
Nepro Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 Does one (my) vote mean anything? No Does whole group of people's votes mean anything? No Do I have to depend on odds of the rest of the people? Yes Is someone in power to make most people go voting my way? No Simply saying my political power is tied by the system? Yes Can I do anything about it? No What if I get elected to the office? No Does one vote of a representative at city council or in House of Representative/Senate/Parliament mean anything? No, you need the majority What if I get elected to an executive office? No Why? Because as much as you want to do your hands will be tied by legislation and judicial brunch So does it make sense to vote? No The democracy is designed to keep stable political system. It's so stable especially in countries with long tradition with representative democracy that it makes nearly impossible for fast changes people commonly desire hence the frustration at politicians. The system is so stable that it cannot allow fast changes or it will diffuse - some brunch will be out of power or rule over one another. That is why when the shit starts fly around to it tends to fly around for pretty much long time. The voting is only illusion to give people false sense they reform society. In representative democracy the best reform is the time. Look at how long it took it to pass things like minimum wages, outlaw child labor, and other horrible things. It will take another decades to regulate other hazards e.g. environmental degradation, noise pollution, decriminalization of nonviolent state/federal law.
thesapien Posted July 11, 2012 Posted July 11, 2012 Does the majority rule if the majority decides not to rule? Edit: I just realized I can't delete my posts anymore! So, yeah, you're stuck with it too.
Nonsense667 Posted July 11, 2012 Posted July 11, 2012 Does one (my) vote mean anything? No Does whole group of people's votes mean anything? No Do I have to depend on odds of the rest of the people? Yes Is someone in power to make most people go voting my way? No Simply saying my political power is tied by the system? Yes Can I do anything about it? No What if I get elected to the office? No Does one vote of a representative at city council or in House of Representative/Senate/Parliament mean anything? No' date=' you need the majority What if I get elected to an executive office? No Why? Because as much as you want to do your hands will be tied by legislation and judicial brunch So does it make sense to vote? No The democracy is designed to keep stable political system. It's so stable especially in countries with long tradition with representative democracy that it makes nearly impossible for fast changes people commonly desire hence the frustration at politicians. The system is so stable that it cannot allow fast changes or it will diffuse - some brunch will be out of power or rule over one another. That is why when the shit starts fly around to it tends to fly around for pretty much long time. The voting is only illusion to give people false sense they reform society. In representative democracy the best reform is the time. Look at how long it took it to pass things like minimum wages, outlaw child labor, and other horrible things. It will take another decades to regulate other hazards e.g. environmental degradation, noise pollution, decriminalization of nonviolent state/federal law. [/quote'] Completely Missing the Point This is the second time Cygarniczka. Three strikes and you're out.
Guest GingerTom Posted July 11, 2012 Posted July 11, 2012 Yes, but it was a very well-thoughtout post you made in my opinion Cygarniczka.
thesapien Posted July 11, 2012 Posted July 11, 2012 On that topic, it's always bothered me when people will often vote for the lesser of two evils because they otherwise feel like their vote would be wasted on a third contender who will most likely not win, so sure enough the third contender never wins. I like to think at least one move ahead (like the next election), and see my current vote for the one candidate I really like as a way of showing support so that the next time around maybe more will join in. So even if my choice is sure to lose, I still show support and that still affects things for the future. I vote for a limited republic, too, and not democracy! The former is supposed to be more about protecting rights of individuals and minorities instead of enforcing whatever the majority votes for. One focuses on limited powers constrained by a constitution while the other focuses on the majority ruling. Well, that's how I see it as of this writing. As Plato was pissed about, it was a direct democracy style of government that put Socrates to death!
Nepro Posted July 13, 2012 Posted July 13, 2012 On that topic' date=' it's always bothered me when people will often vote for the lesser of two evils because they otherwise feel like their vote would be wasted on a third contender who will most likely not win, so sure enough the third contender never wins. I like to think at least one move ahead (like the next election), and see my current vote for the one candidate I really like as a way of showing support so that the next time around maybe more will join in. So even if my choice is sure to lose, I still show support and that still affects things for the future. I vote for a limited republic, too, and not democracy! The former is supposed to be more about protecting rights of individuals and minorities instead of enforcing whatever the majority votes for. One focuses on limited powers constrained by a constitution while the other focuses on the majority ruling. Well, that's how I see it as of this writing. As Plato was pissed about, it was a direct democracy style of government that put Socrates to death! [/quote'] The minority rules in US anyway without limited republic like constitution implied. Don't be fooled by that leftish title. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/income-inequality-in-america-chart-graph Mitt’s Income vs. Your Income http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2012/01/romney_income_calculator_how_much_does_mitt_make_how_long_would_it_take_him_to_earn_your_salary_.html I don't intend to pull Romney by the balls. I don't care about political charade like elections, but this is just one of the few ridiculousness present world imposes upon us, people in past didn't have to endure or deal with.
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