His Legacy - Episode 01

[Akihiko-san]

Those extra stories takes a lot of effort and time for me to make, and those are all to keep Ethan's Legacy release date same for everyone. Is it that wrong? I'm seriously scratching my head here.

Daryce is not just extra, not just any if story. It's completely other thing. And if Daryce always would be for patrons only, i feel that public missing big chunk of content, that not just some extra stuff. But new game. That's all. I know perfectly that most people on patreon delay release of new game's version for public, for days, weeks, or even months. And glad that this game not one of them. 

[D_ManXX2]

Thanks for the explanantion but you dont need to apologise at all, this is open and free comunity, and my point should not be seen as direct assault at you at all. it was observation of alot of content released here on loverslab lately. witch pushed all content out in 1 direction only. 

 

This is also why i created this thread: http://www.loverslab.com/topic/75594-is-there-currently-a-list-of-completed-patreon-games/

 

 

[VengeanceXXX]

No, I should be the one who is apologizing.

 

These past week had been really rough on me. I guess my mood just wasn't right and I took things personally when I shouldn't have.

 

Certain things like locking up Daryce for patrons only had to be done, mostly for incentive and to aid my current financial situation. There's literally no other excuse than that, since money dictates most of the pace and quality for Ethan's Legacy, and my life,  sadly.  I can't make Ethan's legacy the way it is with imaginary money, it just can't happen.

 

I wasn't upset because I felt that I was attacked, I was upset mostly because I really value everyone's opinions and felt that I failed somehow in providing a middle ground for everyone by providing extra content and not delaying Ethan's legacy.

 

 

[Katsuni]

i hope that hero would be a bit more masculine and determined with girls soon. Jessica, Violet, basically everyone waits it. 

 

Absolutely agreed on this with Burchard.

[vaizardnosekai]

@VengeanceXXX

Why don't you just call the first three chapters act 1 so it's a bit less confusing. I have two friends who are subbed to you and they don't have a clue about what you're doing with the versions, they are lost.

 

I had to make this timeline for myself and i'm not even sure it's right.

 

1. Ethan's Legacy Chapter 01 Fix
2. Ethan's Legacy Chapter 02
3. Ethan's Legacy Chapter 03 Fix
4. Ethan's Legacy Extra 01: The Morning Glory
5. Ethan's Legacy IF 01: The New Model (If story)
6. Ethan's Legacy Act 02 v3a
7. Ethan's Legacy Extra 02: The Movie Night
8. Ethan's Legacy Act 03 v1.0 (Ren'py Engine Shift)

Side-Story Daryce 1.b (separate game)

 

I'm not sure why you don't just put everything into a single .exe, especially now that you changed to Ren'py. You could very well just add all chapters/acts into a single RPA and the Extras and IF into separate RPA to share with Patrons. Daryce seems to have taken a life of it's own and is now a separate thing so obviously you wouldn't add it. Instead of a new act just work on porting everything to a single Renpy project.

[VengeanceXXX]

In regards to the port, I did consider a remake on Ethan's legacy way before. (I think it was halfway in act02) but I decided to finish what I have first. It makes things confusing, but I just don't have the time to work on porting and continuing the story at the same time. The best I can do is pack everything in a single .rar and provide a readme on how the play order is for now. It'll be the first thing I do tomorrow.

 

But it's a really great idea to make very extra and if story in a single file, I've never thought about that.

[vaizardnosekai]

In regards to the port, I did consider a remake on Ethan's legacy way before. (I think it was halfway in act02) but I decided to finish what I have first. It makes things confusing, but I just don't have the time to work on porting and continuing the story at the same time. The best I can do is pack everything in a single .rar and provide a readme on how the play order is for now. It'll be the first thing I do tomorrow.

 

But it's a really great idea to make very extra and if story in a single file, I've never thought about that.

 

Just saw your Patreon post. I still think you should just take a break from new content, port everything to a single Ren'py project with seperate RPA for Patron only content. This will make the project more organized and professional. This could give you a break from newer content and at the same time you'll be reviewing old content and that could spark some juice for the new ideas. It shouldn't take you more then a month (if that) to port everything since Ren'py is fairly straightforward engine and the renders are all ready. I understand that not putting out new content might give you the impression that you wont get new Patrons but at the same time it'll bring your project to a new level of professionalism that could lead you to achieving the current goal. I'm sure we would all understand if you took May to port everything without newer content just so June could be a even better month for you and us

 

This is obviously your decision and we respect it, it's just my own opinion because i care about your game and i think it could be even better.

 

Keep up the good work

 

PS: I don't think your Patron only content should be free. It's fine how it is and is actually fairly cheap compared to certain other Patreons with insane tiers. But consider making it free after X amount of months post-release.

[Akihiko-san]

I read your patreon only now, and was not pleasantly surprised that you choose words "complaining" about my, and other dude, comments. I read many-many negative comments (calling me hater and other stuff) too. It's not "very nice" to read at all, since i love this game and follow it from the very-very beginning (when you even didn't have patreon account at all). But the thing is, I wasn't "complaining" at all. And, like i said before, i don't want "everything for free" (like lots of your patron assumed because of your post). I understand that it's impossible, and generally just stupid to ask. I wasn't talking about extras at all from very start. Daryce was all i talked about. And only because i see Daryce as completely separate project, that may or may not turn out to be big. That's all. Maybe i was completely wrong with that, and Daryce just considered to be extra stuff. I was thinking "if creator was generous enough to give us Ethan's Legacy for free for all this months, why not ask about Daryce, since it's seems to be second big game?"

[VengeanceXXX]

Like I said, I was tired, and immature. I took things personally when I shouldn't have. I don't think that they are referring to you, and I wasn't trying to start a witch hunt.

 

I'm sorry, Burchard. I know that you have been following me from the start. Again, I'm sorry.

 

 

[Katsuni]

Hey there  Vengeance.

I see here & there on patreon are a lot of "advisers" who's kinda know better what should you do next...

Would be nice to us, community, to hear you thoghts about it.

 

For me

the best course is to concentrate on Ethan & add more extra scenes to Special Edition instead of If/Extra stories, as you've planned in one of the previous patreon posts. It was one ot the main reason for me becoming a patreon, cause i like Ethan very much and don't want to miss any single bit of it(also i appreciate your selflessness & purposefulness very much). I'm not really much intrested in those If/extra stories, even didn't played them yet.

 

 

But

 

you're saying that you don't know how to continue this story and what to add to it...

Also there is this Daryce in which i'm not really intrested, and this reward for Elite says WEEKLY update on Daryce.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not judging your abilities or ambitions but i'm kinda looking at this industry for around last 6 monthes and i've seen how guys with more experience/support and rendering power begin struggling when they start 2nd project and try to work on both of them same time. And Daryce looks for me like quite a second project. I can't see any possible ways of you working on them both without significant changes in quality or amounts of time before releases.

 

 

 

About the ideas on how to move on with the story:

 

maybe you can add something like a weekend, that would be possible to spent with the girls, so it may change the routine of how the game day goes and add posibilities of adding new content(But i can't imagine how to make it possible for EIGHT girls at once...)

 

 

 

Also don't forget about this wonderfull things named polls, that can help to be in touch with community i think.

Sorry for such an essay of text, but those last posts kinda made me really confused about how the things will be now and what to expect...

[vaizardnosekai]

Will Act 4 be a update to the current Act 3 Ren'py project (same .exe) or are you still going to separate the acts like you were doing with Tyranno Builder? I see little to no sense in separating, if you intent do use stat based flag events. It would make sense for them to carry over from act to act, instead of re-starting every time, especially if you add branching paths to the story, you would require the player to manually set the path he choose on the act after.

[VengeanceXXX]

@Vaizardnosekai 

 

It'll be the same game from now on.

[VengeanceXXX]

I've released a new version. This extends the previous update and ends at day 03. Thanks for all the comments so far.

[D_ManXX2]

The new update looks really good:

 

The only thing i found right now is when the new girl was introduced instead of depicting here name: Who she is,it named her marcus other then that the game run flawless even older version 1 save games still worked correctly.

 

Good job on the new update.

 

Also:

 

 

The new sex scenes does give it new dimension. the renders looks much better too.

 

As for more content i was wondering if in later version more locations be added and if player will get more freedom of movements of where to go next.

 

[VengeanceXXX]

Her name's  Madison, I fucked up on her character code since Marcus had the same initials >.<

 

In terms on locations.. I'll do my best to consider that on the next release.

[Akihiko-san]

Pretty good update, especially in terms of sexual content. Great to see some interesting flashback stuff from childhood. Some more bonding with Clara and Jess good too. Sadly we didn't see much of Sonic. I liked Madison though, and her plot twist. Let's see how charming goes. 

[VengeanceXXX]

New version released, Check it out if you want to! Thanks for the patience.

[D_ManXX2]

you where not joking when you said tons of content. great work on the latest release. i played through the last save game and all seem to go well without a hitch. havent seen any bugs all. you really put allot of time into this.

 

So thanks for latest release.

[Akihiko-san]

Wow, it's really great update. I think actually one of the best ones. So much action, so much story, tons of high quality content. Finally we see face of our main villain.And i'm glad to see relationships with girls is growing very smoothly. Especially with Violet (that new sexy underwear!). And surely i was pleased that we can save Ghost without endangering Gina. Madison is very cute. Even if we trick her, i hope there would be some genuine stuff with her. One month of waiting was more than worth it. Your game becomes brilliant, growing more and more. It's really sad for me to see that you have so many problems with money. It's sad to see that zillions of stupid porn games make 5-10k (if not more) on patreon, but your masterpiece with interesting story(!) is sooo underrated. I can understand that people. They just want more meat, more sex... 

 

The only slight problem i always have, is that with girl's hearts and desires. Like someone said on patreon, we don't really know what are we doing with Ethan's powers. It's pretty easy to miss stuff. Especially since we always need to make choice. And turns out that we pretty much actually need to choose only one girl (not counting family). I can't really do more than one, always missing something. It's pretty hard to choose only one girl for me. 

 

And i'm missing mom... there was nothing with her sadly. Stuff with Gina was very hot though. Oh, and i forgot to mention how much i love plot twist with who are Amanda's daughter aka "secret weapon".  Wild guesses everywhere) 

[VengeanceXXX]

New version uploaded, do check it out if you want to.

[Meastro]

Thanks Vengeance i really enjoyed the new version! I managed to find a few small problems, you probably heared this from others aswell but there is something wrong with the coding of the first scene with Madison. The results of the shower scene get mixed up afterwards, when Madison jerks u off u tell Clara nothing happened. And when u supposed to take a cold shower u tell Clara u got jerked off which was not the case. There were also a few name problems but nothing major or important. Example: the estate agent calls Clara by her real name and not Claudia which her fake name is when u choose the Clara love route.

 

I also kinda want to express my thoughts here since at least u are still here posting and reading/responding to messages in the past! When i play Ethans legacy i play the first time seriously reading everything etc and giving all my point to 1 character. After that i skip and read the new scenes doing the same for the other 5 characters, so i have 6 different saves with all the points given to 1 of the 6 girls. I do this so i at least at this moment i dont miss anny content as far as i know there is nothing where u need certain points with 2 different characters to find a scene (I could be wrong). But i feel like there is to little difference between all the routes. I really liked the scene with Violet and i hope u could do more different scenes with all the girls. For example: With Clara the difference between ignoring her or giving her points is small. She just didnt let the estate agent do stuff with her and afterwards she hugs u. It would not feel weird to me story wise if Ethan at least hugged her back and gave her a kiss or would have been a bit more happy/glad and told her that he is glad she made that decision. But it went back to business after she holded you for a bit, felt like u lost a good opportunity for something more. Same with Sonic, liked the flashback but i kinda hoped it made a difference if u give her a lot of love/desire points. And the last choice i hoped that would have made a difference was the shower scene, i would have liked to see a change if you choose to get a handjob or stayed loyal and didnt do it. That Madison made some kind of remark that she really liked the night/morning with Ethan if you did the handjob and Gina got some jealousy point or whatever, because those are kinda dead content atm...

 

Still i really enjoyed the update / game on the whole. Dont see this as criticism, these were just my thoughts how u could make this great game even better. Already looking forward to the next update!

[VengeanceXXX]

Thanks for the feedback.

 

Yeah, right now the game is too messy for me, it was poorly planned and in result some mechanics are either overly used or you can barely feel the effects at all.

I'll have to rethink about the future of the production process.

Thanks again.

[Katsuni]

Hey Vengeance, thanks for the update, some thought about it & your patreon post, sorry for the long text:
 
1) Desire system and the story: Either scrap, or focus the game around the desire system.
You've put a lot of work into that system, and it's not so bad, it's just a bit too complex for the game as it is right now & need adaptation to be more useble & usefull.
I don't think that total scrapping of it is such a good idea, also i like those new releases much more, than those on previous engine, due to increase variability and replayability, what is the merit of the desires system.
What can be improved of it, as for me:
Getting rid of Jealosy stat at all;
Change the ammount of times Ethan can use his power from 3 to 1 per day;
Accordingly make the amounts of points needed for unlocking the scenes lesser;
Don't hide the choises, but make them grey/unavaible, with the according message, if the player try to choose them, while not meeting the requirments (Like "you need more trust/passion with this character to unlock this scene") like in the scene when Sonic invite us to have a lunch, and we don't even know that Jess is avaible too.
 
"The desire mechanic was initially made only to provide small differences in the game. Story was intended to be 100% linear, and the small changes was not intended to provide any real, meaningful changes, but only to provide small "nods" that hey, things are a little bit different" - I think it only got better & more intresting in a result.
 
2) Remake the whole thing from the ground up, build a better, more solid gameplay plan and the structure on the story.
Really bad time for this idea, you'll met some problems in developing eventually one way or another, while a lot of backers will be unpleased by this move.
I think it's best the way it is for now, when you're trying to find the best way of developing the game while continuing the story.
Than, one day, you can start working on the remaster of Ethan, made from the begining already with experience of the ploblems and ways to fix them.
 
3) Sex scenes and general romantic scenes:
"Maybe I should watch more porn as an example in the future" - in most of porn there are close to zero "interesting sexual intercourses" or no sexual intercourses at all.
I think you're doing quite ok, the scene and the pasing with Violet was close to best, Mother(don't actually remember her name ) was rather good, Madison shower scene was not bad too.
Also you need to add some variations to those ALREADY REALLY IRRITATING at this point: Mom, Sis, Bro, Honey with characters actual names.
As someone said: "Ethan is a lot more 'intellectual" than any other game I've seen, so there are probably some well educated fans among your patrons" - I'm quite sure this is true, and if you'll ask - there will be some people ready to provide you with some intresting intercourses or to help you with texts. It also may help you with "General lack of writing and storytelling skills. Cheesy and Anime as fuck, some would like to say."
 
4) "Really imbalanced story progression", "Lack of planning, and time", "Sex scenes lacks.. an "umph" to it" - I think it won't be that critical if in the future you'll be able to continue provide content as good as whole Violet part. Less characters through the update, but with the best content for each of them works just fine, as for me.
 
5)

I understant that this is how you feel this dark story sholud be told, but this ammount of near to ntr content in this update doen's really make me feel very well, i'm a bit surprised with the lack of reaction to it from other followers. It's understandable with Sonic, but i'm not sure this scene with Clara was so much needed. I already know that it'll play a bit another way, if you're close with Clara...but the feeling was still there. Really hope to see less content like that in the future or at least not all in one update.

 

 

The update in summary was quite good i think, almost as good as the previous

[badboyz08]

Don't hide the choises, but make them grey/unavaible,

 

 

i like this idea , Vengeance please consider this

 

[VengeanceXXX]

Thanks for the opinions and suggestions. I have decided to change some things up for the next release.