Obtaining Slaves through Persuasion?

[getmilkyone]

Is there a mod out there that will let you obtain a slave with persuasion instead of rape, which I understand is a combat action?

[kalador]

LoversSlaveTrader/LSTBravilUnderground

Persuade them to go have some fun, get them alone, then get them to drink one of the drugs from the Drug Store in the underground plaza, then cast then "Enslave Target" spell on them.

[GMac2021]

Not exactly "persuasion", kalador. That's basically rape and assault behind closed doors.

 

I've been looking for a mod that lets you talk to - or influence - NPCs and Companions into whoring themsleves out - without using drugs or violence. I'd LOVE to see LoversPayBanditForSlaver include an option to use companions.

 

The NPC should love and trust you so much that they'll do anything you ask of them. No need for clubs - no need for drugs. I hate violence - but I love submission.

 

A trusting NPC should gladly accept slave training, "flower" selling, breeding, and the selling of his or her body for the profit of her master. Shouldn't need to drug them or hit them with a club.

 

My two cents...

[gregathit]

Not exactly "persuasion"' date=' kalador. That's basically rape and assault behind closed doors.

 

I've been looking for a mod that lets you talk to - or influence - NPCs and Companions into whoring themsleves out - without using drugs or violence. I'd LOVE to see LoversPayBanditForSlaver include an option to use companions.

 

The NPC should love and trust you so much that they'll do anything you ask of them. No need for clubs - no need for drugs. I hate violence - but I love submission.

 

A trusting NPC should gladly accept slave training, "flower" selling, breeding, and the selling of his or her body for the profit of her master. Shouldn't need to drug them or hit them with a club.

 

My two cents...

[/quote']

 

 

While I can see what you are saying.......

 

What kind of insipid person would "trust" someone, who then is going to train and breed them........

 

It is still abuse, but it is just more subtle since you are using your voice and not your fist.

 

But as to the question itself....I am not aware of any mod that allows you to persuade an NPC to be a slave.

[Ozulu]

Not exactly "persuasion"' date=' kalador. That's basically rape and assault behind closed doors.

 

I've been looking for a mod that lets you talk to - or influence - NPCs and Companions into whoring themsleves out - without using drugs or violence. I'd LOVE to see LoversPayBanditForSlaver include an option to use companions.

 

The NPC should love and trust you so much that they'll do anything you ask of them. No need for clubs - no need for drugs. I hate violence - but I love submission.

 

A trusting NPC should gladly accept slave training, "flower" selling, breeding, and the selling of his or her body for the profit of her master. Shouldn't need to drug them or hit them with a club.

 

My two cents...

[/quote']

 

 

While I can see what you are saying.......

 

What kind of insipid person would "trust" someone, who then is going to train and breed them........

 

It is still abuse, but it is just more subtle since you are using your voice and not your fist.

 

But as to the question itself....I am not aware of any mod that allows you to persuade an NPC to be a slave.

 

lol not judging the view of the OP but Greg said exactly what I was thinking (just my two cents as well). Who would claim to "love"

someone and then whore them out (or worse, breed them)?

 

To me, the specific Poison is irrelevant, whether it is via persuasion or violence in the end it all adds up the same results.

[gregathit]

Unholy Darkness allows you to talk them in to submission' date=' then after you are done feeding on them just cast enslave when they are weakened. No potions nor violence just sweet talk.

[/quote']

 

And sharp pointy teeth..........

[sammythesquirrel]

What kind of insipid person would "trust" someone' date=' who then is going to train and breed them........

 

It is still abuse, but it is just more subtle since you are using your voice and not your fist.

 

But as to the question itself....I am not aware of any mod that allows you to persuade an NPC to be a slave.

[/quote']

 

your first point greg all I can say is well..... many prostitutes start out as the pimps gf or lover

point 2 nail on the head here so no argument

point 3 lovers is a Japanese mod women becoming willing sex slaves to a man is a fairly common theme in Japanese erotica so it IS kind of surprising that such a mod hasn't been made and it wouldn't even be that hard if you know how to make mods you could make one that does a disposition check so that when disposition was high enough it offers a new dialogue option that dose the same script effect as the enslave spell hell if i knew anything about scripting id do it my self but Im lazy

[GMac2021]

I don't understand why my suggestion was laughable. Everyday people do batshit insane things in the name of "love" - or even just for attention.

 

Whoring themselves out and/or having sex with strangers (or creatures in the case of Slave Trader) in a fantasy game is MINOR compared to what people can be talked into doing in real life. There are mods here where you have to have sex with dogs, horses, sheep, horrendous nightmare creatures... What is so bizarre about convincing a companion to have sex with a guard or bandit (to clear bounty or allow passage), or willingly become enslaved and do your every bidding for fun and profit?

 

Using MCS, companions are slaves - they should be as willing to fulfill sexual requests as they are to inflict violence. Convincing a companion to sell or freely give up their bodies for their master's benefit is no more odd than asking a companion kill.

 

"Real life" is full of people who have done horrendous things because someone convinced them to do it. Why can't I talk my loving companion into bending over for that guard - or even going to jail for me? I have one character who has 75 infamy. Any NPC stupid enough to follow me SHOULD expect a life of hell.

 

I would assume that my disposition would have to be ridiculously high to convine them - but I SHOULD be able to convince them; without using drugs or clubs. Kind words alone should be enough to get the job done. Of course its still abuse, but its not cheap physical abuse. Psychological abuse is much more damaging and effective.

 

I'm probably asking for more than the game can provide. I'd still rather be able to TALK someone into becoming a slave than just hit them with a club like an idiot caveman.

 

I mean no disrespect.

[Ozulu]

I don't understand why my suggestion was laughable. Everyday people do batshit insane things in the name of "love" - or even just for attention.

 

Whoring themselves out and/or having sex with strangers (or creatures in the case of Slave Trader) in a fantasy game is MINOR compared to what people can be talked into doing in real life. There are mods here where you have to have sex with dogs' date=' horses, sheep, horrendous nightmare creatures... What is so bizarre about convincing a companion to have sex with a guard or bandit (to clear bounty or allow passage), or willingly become enslaved and do your every bidding for fun and profit?

 

Using MCS, companions [i']are[/i] slaves - they should be as willing to fulfill sexual requests as they are to inflict violence. Convincing a companion to sell or freely give up their bodies for their master's benefit is no more odd than asking a companion kill.

 

"Real life" is full of people who have done horrendous things because someone convinced them to do it. Why can't I talk my loving companion into bending over for that guard - or even going to jail for me? I have one character who has 75 infamy. Any NPC stupid enough to follow me SHOULD expect a life of hell.

 

I would assume that my disposition would have to be ridiculously high to convine them - but I SHOULD be able to convince them; without using drugs or clubs. Kind words alone should be enough to get the job done. Of course its still abuse, but its not cheap physical abuse. Psychological abuse is much more damaging and effective.

 

I'm probably asking for more than the game can provide. I'd still rather be able to TALK someone into becoming a slave than just hit them with a club like an idiot caveman.

 

I mean no disrespect.

 

Garcemac,

I meant no offense and didn't mean to imply any harm, I was just saying that the first thoughts that came to my mind was along the lines I expressed. In retrospect I guess it is pretty true. The things that people find themselves talked into for "love" are nothing short of amazing and often unbelievable to me. Those things are to each his own and I was not implying any judgement.

 

oZ

[gregathit]

I don't understand why my suggestion was laughable.

 

I did say that I did understand what you were getting at but the way it was worded just struck my funny bone. It was not so much "what" you were saying but "how" you said it that made me chuckle a bit.

 

 

I mean no disrespect.

 

I hope you know that I would never laugh "at" but rather "with" you. I also meant no disrespect. Just struck me funny at the time.

[monoto7]

well if it isn't made, someone should make it!(although i do know a mod which does let you do this, the training cattle mod on the nexus allows you to persuade people into become a slave(although being a vampire is required, so we could possibly ask if we could edit the scripts(i should stop saying we, as i can't mod >.>(i should also stop using ()'s )

[kyubey]

I think the solution would be to just use persuasion as an entry point and then gradually whittle away at her morals via sex. Maybe I'll look into the technical side when I have time.

[Triratna]

.Killing me softly with his words?

[arelim]

Not exactly "persuasion"' date=' kalador. That's basically rape and assault behind closed doors.

 

I've been looking for a mod that lets you talk to - or influence - NPCs and Companions into whoring themsleves out - without using drugs or violence. I'd LOVE to see LoversPayBanditForSlaver include an option to use companions.

 

The NPC should love and trust you so much that they'll do anything you ask of them. No need for clubs - no need for drugs. I hate violence - but I love submission.

 

A trusting NPC should gladly accept slave training, "flower" selling, breeding, and the selling of his or her body for the profit of her master. Shouldn't need to drug them or hit them with a club.

 

My two cents...

[/quote']

 

 

While I can see what you are saying.......

 

What kind of insipid person would "trust" someone, who then is going to train and breed them........

 

It is still abuse, but it is just more subtle since you are using your voice and not your fist.

 

But as to the question itself....I am not aware of any mod that allows you to persuade an NPC to be a slave.

 

I saw this and I couldn't keep quiet. I think this has some interesting perspectives ... but not quite right.

 

(please excuse my spelling, its late and I'm tired)

 

I know lots of people in the 'kink' community. There are many men and women who SEEK and ENJOY being submissive and even being slaves. I know people who love simulated rape, bondage, public humiliation, public sex, being smacked, electrocuted, whipped, beaten with canes, tied up, blood play, needle play, being furniture, being peed on, and yes... even people who like being whored out (actualy, when I say 'whored out' I'm talking about being 'shared' or 'loaned out' ... so essentially being whored out without getting any money - if doing it and getting paid was legal, I'm sure they'd do that though.) I don't personally know anyone who would be into being bread ... but I know they exist.

 

Kinky people don't need to be talked into these things ... they WANT to do it ... what you have to convince them of is that they want to do it with YOU.

 

On the 'trust' question ... A relationship where one person becomes someones sub or slave is all about trust, whether you are tieing them up, hitting them with a whip, or whoring them out. Trust is the most important component. The sub has to trust that their Dom will take care of them ... and the Dom has to trust that the sub will be clear about their limits and communicate their status. The people I have known in the kink community tend to believe that kinky people have MORE trust and communication in their relationships than vanilla people. This is because in vanilla relationships, when there is no trust or poor communication people just get their feelings hurt ... in kinky relationships, when there is no trust or communication ... people REALLY get hurt - or worse.

 

As far as LOVE ... if you love someone, and they get off on being whored out, then you whore them out. This is actually harder than it sounds. Of the men and women I know who get off on being whored out, all of them complain about how hard it is to find a partner who can handle that need.

 

Some people in the kinky community have self esteem issues, are insipid, or have other 'issues' - but I don't think its any more common there than it is among vanilla people. The kinky people I know tend to think of themselves as more self aware, 'alive', and happy than vanilla people with more trusting intimate relationships ... but, I think their over-all well being is about the same.

 

More to the point of the OP ... people are not BORN knowing what they are into sexually. At some point in all of these peoples lives, they were vanilla. And something happened that made them try something kinky ... and then they found they liked it. Maybe the first time it was because they saw it in a movie ... or maybe because a lover said 'hey, can we try ...' or maybe they were drunk/high so weren't really thinking straight ... or maybe they were feeling self-destructive and did something stupid .... But whatever the initial reason, they discovered they liked it, and soon were seeking it out ... just like vanilla people seek out vanilla sex.

 

I'm not trying to be an ass ... but I just felt like I couldn't let that statement go without sharing my experience which contradicts it.

 

SO ... as for 'talking people into being your slave and whoring them out' ... I can see two scenarios that do not involve 'abuse' of any kind.

 

1. The person is already into that kind of stuff. Maybe she's already a whore and you just convince her to work for you instead of working for herself (or someone else). Maybe she's just into rough sex or submission and wants to be someone's sex slave ... and you just have to convince her you are the guy to be her master. This would be a little weird if it applied to ALL NPC's ... so maybe this is only available for NPCS with low responsibility or something like that.

 

2. Scenario 2 would be where the person isn't into that stuff yet ... but is unhappy with their vanilla life and/or having all the responsibilities of being in charge of their own life and is looking for a change ... so you convince them to give slavery a try ... and they like it ... and want more of it. The more you are their master, the more they are in love with you. If I was going to implement this for general NPCS ... (instead of as part of a companion mod) I think the way I'd go about coding this would be to use the existing 'rape slave' mechanism ... So, I'd set it up so you 'covince' her to try rough sex or something like that ... and then have this linked to the rape function ... so you convince her to do it x number of times (I think its 5 times in the rapeslave mod) and suddenly she's your slave. This could simulate the progression from 'trying' something kinky just to see what its like to 'loving it'. I'm not sure if its possible to have different responses depending on the number of times you've raped her ... but if you could, that could enhance the effect of a 'progression' based on experience.

 

3. Another option would be to combine the above two ideas ... Set it up where if someone has a certain responsibility level, they are already looking to be someone's slave ... and you just have to convince them to pick you. So you have to 'convince' them to have sex with you or someone else (or do some other task), and each success increases their disposition towards you until they like/trust you enough to be your slave. For people with a responsibility that is to high, then each time you convince them to have sex with you/someone else/do task ... it lowers their responsibility and increases disposition ... until they are looking for a master and trust you enough to pick you. Since you can customize responses based on disposition/npc responsibility ... you could create a pretty interesting simulated progression from curious vanilla to committed submissive. (confidence might be a better stat to utilize then responsibility.)

 

Just ideas.

[gregathit]

I'm not trying to be an ass ... but I just felt like I couldn't let that statement go without sharing my experience which contradicts it.

 

SO ... as for 'talking people into being your slave and whoring them out' ... I can see two scenarios that do not involve 'abuse' of any kind.

 

 

LOL!!!

 

So breeding a person to an animal is "not" abuse......

 

[spoiler=OFF TOPIC]

You are partially right but completely misguided in this whole deal IMHO. The fact that people are supposedly "into" being sexually abused is not an excuse for someone to take advantage of them. You are mixing and matching things that don't belong.

 

It is one thing for a person to volunteer to be "slaved" or "whored out" or even breed to beasts, and quite another thing for them to be tricked and/or forced into it by someone else. The first is slightly sick in the head and the other is morally wrong.

 

 

 

 

The question the OP asked has been answered so really this debate is quite pointless, even if it is mildly entertaining....

 

Your "scenario's are quite good and hopefully someone will work something similar into one of the lovers plugins.

 

Cheers

[sammythesquirrel]

it is a pointless debate greg but its that time of the month and im feeling contradictory so, breeding a person to an animal can easily not be abuse find someone who is both submissive and into bestiality and your set, and again given the origins of the lovers mod set.......

[gregathit]

it is a pointless debate greg but its that time of the month and im feeling contradictory so' date='

[/quote']

 

Whoa nelly, these words usually are a first indicator of something silly!!!!

 

 

breeding a person to an animal can easily not be abuse find someone who is both submissive and into bestiality and your set' date=' and again given the origins of the lovers mod set.......

[/quote']

 

Except for the fact that in the OP the person who was about to be slaved and mated to a beast is a complete STRANGER. This was the flawed logic that made me chuckle.

 

 

Either way we are not talking about real life but rather a video game so feel free to "talk", "club", or "toothy kiss" those NPC's into whatever debasement you can conceive of with my blessing!!!

[GMac2021]

I don't understand why my suggestion was laughable.

 

I did say that I did understand what you were getting at but the way it was worded just struck my funny bone. It was not so much "what" you were saying but "how" you said it that made me chuckle a bit.

 

 

I mean no disrespect.

 

I hope you know that I would never laugh "at" but rather "with" you. I also meant no disrespect. Just struck me funny at the time.

 

Ok' date=' you're right. I probably should have spent more time constructing a proper post instead of drinking beer...

 

Still, I'd prefer to "SpeechCraft" peeps into giving themselves up (even if it takes a [i']long[/i] time...), than to drug them or smack 'em over the head like a caveman.

 

I can smack a woman over the head, enslave her, and get a bounty; then have that same (enslaved) woman f*ck a guard - thereby clearing my bounty. A little too easy, IMHO.

[gregathit]

Ok' date=' you're right. I probably should have spent more time constructing a proper post instead of drinking beer...

 

Still, I'd prefer to "SpeechCraft" peeps into giving themselves up (even if it takes a [i']long[/i] time...), than to drug them or smack 'em over the head like a caveman.

 

I can smack a woman over the head, enslave her, and get a bounty; then have that same (enslaved) woman f*ck a guard - thereby clearing my bounty. A little too easy, IMHO.

 

 

Using speechcraft via blackmail might indeed be a ticket here. If you could manufacture a "reason" (real or imagined) and then convince the target NPC that if they don't do as you ask you will turn them over to "X, Y, Z". If it was complicated and prone to failing (something like a 5-20 percent chance of success) it might indeed be a fun little plugin.

[Sparlimb]

Using speechcraft via blackmail might indeed be a ticket here. If you could manufacture a "reason" (real or imagined) and then convince the target NPC that if they don't do as you ask you will turn them over to "X' date=' Y, Z". If it was complicated and prone to failing (something like a 5-20 percent chance of success) it might indeed be a fun little plugin.

[/quote']

That does sound mighty interesting... I like the blackmail idea. Currently the deepest 'corruption' style plugin I've found is the vampire Training Cattle mod.

[gregathit]

That does sound mighty interesting... I like the blackmail idea. Currently the deepest 'corruption' style plugin I've found is the vampire Training Cattle mod.

 

 

Well if the Awesome and Wonderful Galgat ever gets bored and needs a new project maybe we can talk him into converting this mod http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=6071 (which is for the PC) into one in which you as the PC can do it to other NPC's.

[Ozulu]

Can someone remind me please which mod has the ability to have a guard accept sex with a slave in lieu of me paying a fine, going to jail or fighting it out?

 

I know I have had it before but I can't remember which mod allows this. I thought I had all of the slave ones turned on that I always use but this option never comes up now on my laptop and I am not near my Desktop

 

Thanks again.

 

Active Mod Files:

 

00  Oblivion.esm
01  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm
02  Harvest[Containers].esm
03  Harvest[Containers] - Flat-Top Barrels Add-on.esm
04  Harvest[Containers] - Havok Crates Add-on.esm
05  Harvest[Containers] - Player Home Add-on.esm
06  BathingMod_Base.esm
07  Lovers with PK.esm
08  BreakUndies.esm
09  x117race.esm
0A  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]
0B  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0C  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.5.0]
0D  USIPS Additional Changes.esp
0E  Real_Mannequin.esp
++  MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp
0F  AC2 Revisited HGEC.esp
10  AC2Gear_HGEC.esp
11  Nicos Kynareth Archery.esp  [Version 1.0]
12  AT2 01-Shiki Armor Set.esp
13  Dude Wheres My Horse.esp
14  CallSteed3.0a.esp  [Version 3.0]
++  Faster Horses.esp
++  Harvest[Containers] - Vanilla - Ore Respawn.esp
++  Harvest[Containers] - SI - Ore Respawn.esp
++  Harvest[Containers] - Player Home Add-on.esp
++  Harvest[Containers] - Flat-Top Barrels Add-on.esp
++  Harvest[Containers] - Havok Crates Add-on.esp
15  Knights.esp
16  From2ch Lives.esp
17  F2L_FaceChange.esp
18  Ta22's 01Army.esp
19  117NPCs.esp
1A  From2ch Lives Boss.esp
1B  F2LHideRaces.esp
++  moremerchantmoneyv1.1.esp
1C  Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp
1D  BathingMod_Soap.esp
1E  BathingMod_Bathroom_Upgrades.esp
1F  BathingMod_Placeable_Bathtubs.esp
20  SetBody.esp
++  dyseso_Light_Ingred_Appar.esp
21  RenGuardOverhaul.esp
++  arrwspanddmgfix.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.esp
**  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseA00 Hair Modules.esp
++  x117 Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed CustomRace.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Cute Elves.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Nec Mystic High Elf Remake.esp
22  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - Sc.esp
23  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp
24  F2LAddon_MSElves.esp
25  Altair_Race.esp
26  Assassins Creed - Altair's Gear - Light Armor.esp
27  Assassins Creed - Altair's Gear - Heavy Armor.esp
++  Slof's Oblivion Better Beasts.esp
28  KT_CustomRaceFix.esp
29  AHomeInCheydinhal.esp
2A  Axebane_Hunters20.esp
2B  FutaPriory.esp
2C  Nudeshy X.esp
2D  LoversFSE.esp
2E  LoversAdultPlayPlus.esp
2F  LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp
30  LoversRaperS.esp
31  LoversBed.esp
32  LoversPower.esp
33  LoversTachiCat2.esp
34  LoversTrueCrimeEx.esp
35  Lovers with PK.esp  [Version 90]
36  LoversBackup2.esp
37  LoversStopCombatEx.esp
38  LoversSpermSplashEx.esp
39  LoversEscapeRapeVPlayer.esp
3A  LoversRapeSlave.esp
3B  LoversHelpRapeVPlayer.esp
3C  LoversSlaveTrader.esp
3D  LoversSTVictims.esp
3E  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
3F  LoversMB2.esp
40  LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp
41  LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp

 

[gregathit]

Can someone remind me please which mod has the ability to have a guard accept sex with a slave in lieu of me paying a fine' date=' going to jail or fighting it out?

 

I know I have had it before but I can't remember which mod allows this. I thought I had all of the slave ones turned on that I always use but this option never comes up now on my laptop and I am not near my Desktop

[/quote']

 

LoversPayBanditForSlaver.esp

[Ozulu]

Thanks Greg

Have a good holiday weekend!

oZ

[Shade Daystar]

I know this situation isn't what the original poster had in mind, but I recently enslaved the Countess' Bodyguard with the SlaveTrader enslave spell; after tiring him out with consentual sex that he started via LoversHooker. I actually wasn't sure it would work until I tried it. And I still had to threaten to squish his head if he refused to be my slave. But all in all, no violence (unless you count training. Consentual pairings don't seem to count towards that, until they're trained.) just a "strong suggestion" after some knee-weakening fun.