Guest Comrade DR. MAHUJ DIK Posted February 27, 2016 Posted February 27, 2016 Are you saying the Broken Mask Incident and CPG massacre never happened? It's possible that it's all a lie since the player wasn't there, though I doubt it. Roger Warwick really is replaced though, so was the mayor of Diamond City. It's in the game. There's a quest and terminal entry that covers it. Also how do you know Sarah Lyons was killed by a militant splinter faction? Proctor Quinlat's terminal only mentions that she was killed in action, not by who. And I don't know of another source that covers her death. Feel free to believe what you want to believe. Dr Karlin can't even look beyond the horizon of Diamond City, the famous bowl I mean . Building a better crop is thus based upon nothing but the allegations of a crazy woman similar to a farmer's daughter that got raped by aliens. Ooops, me is a farmer's daughter. Okay... ^^ If memory serves (random dialogues /w Knights on the street, I think) Sarah got killed by Maxson personally to gain leadership as self-proclaimed 'Elder' of the BoS in DC w/o ever having been in the line of succession. That attempt apparently was just partly successful, for otherwise he'd reside in DC and not hover in a frakkin' zeppelin above Boston. Still in game the Knights hate Elder Lyons, guess why. Besides, how do we spell 'outcasts', hmm? Whateva, have a nice day and thanks for the interesting conversation. Keep it up! there was a cut alternative ending for the BOs were you take over it with danse as your right hand, the quest and voice acting was complete, they had all to put it on the game but it got cut aniways. It reveals an interesting cutom of the brotherhod that explains why tere are so many differences on its chapters. If a group of members leaded by someone of at least rank of paladin disagree with a elder posture the dissident leader can challenge the elder for a trail in combat for the command of the chapter. In the alternate BOS ending you dule maxon in the pridween with most of the members as withnesses and kills it. You get the post of elder and can change theyr ideology, you can continue on maxons path, or decide that synths and sentient non humans never got a choice and shouldnt be killed unless they became a menace, reforming the Lyons ideology. After Ive heard the sound files of the alternate ending some comments of people on prydewen about sarah's death become pretty clear: maxon with the help of the outcasts and some people that disagreed with Lyons challeged her for the position as elder and won. When chalengng maxon he or danse (dont remember who now) comment that its not his first duel.
windu190 Posted February 27, 2016 Posted February 27, 2016 Are you saying the Broken Mask Incident and CPG massacre never happened? It's possible that it's all a lie since the player wasn't there, though I doubt it. Roger Warwick really is replaced though, so was the mayor of Diamond City. It's in the game. There's a quest and terminal entry that covers it. Also how do you know Sarah Lyons was killed by a militant splinter faction? Proctor Quinlat's terminal only mentions that she was killed in action, not by who. And I don't know of another source that covers her death. Feel free to believe what you want to believe. Dr Karlin can't even look beyond the horizon of Diamond City, the famous bowl I mean . Building a better crop is thus based upon nothing but the allegations of a crazy woman similar to a farmer's daughter that got raped by aliens. Ooops, me is a farmer's daughter. Okay... ^^ If memory serves (random dialogues /w Knights on the street, I think) Sarah got killed by Maxson personally to gain leadership as self-proclaimed 'Elder' of the BoS in DC w/o ever having been in the line of succession. That attempt apparently was just partly successful, for otherwise he'd reside in DC and not hover in a frakkin' zeppelin above Boston. Still in game the Knights hate Elder Lyons, guess why. Besides, how do we spell 'outcasts', hmm? Whateva, have a nice day and thanks for the interesting conversation. Keep it up! there was a cut alternative ending for the BOs were you take over it with danse as your right hand, the quest and voice acting was complete, they had all to put it on the game but it got cut aniways. It reveals an interesting cutom of the brotherhod that explains why tere are so many differences on its chapters. If a group of members leaded by someone of at least rank of paladin disagree with a elder posture the dissident leader can challenge the elder for a trail in combat for the command of the chapter. In the alternate BOS ending you dule maxon in the pridween with most of the members as withnesses and kills it. You get the post of elder and can change theyr ideology, you can continue on maxons path, or decide that synths and sentient non humans never got a choice and shouldnt be killed unless they became a menace, reforming the Lyons ideology. After Ive heard the sound files of the alternate ending some comments of people on prydewen about sarah's death become pretty clear: maxon with the help of the outcasts and some people that disagreed with Lyons challeged her for the position as elder and won. When chalengng maxon he or danse (dont remember who now) comment that its not his first duel. Very interesting, I would've liked that ending. But since it has been cut it's not canon.
Jazzman Posted February 27, 2016 Posted February 27, 2016 Are you saying the Broken Mask Incident and CPG massacre never happened? It's possible that it's all a lie since the player wasn't there, though I doubt it. Roger Warwick really is replaced though, so was the mayor of Diamond City. It's in the game. There's a quest and terminal entry that covers it. Also how do you know Sarah Lyons was killed by a militant splinter faction? Proctor Quinlat's terminal only mentions that she was killed in action, not by who. And I don't know of another source that covers her death. Feel free to believe what you want to believe. Dr Karlin can't even look beyond the horizon of Diamond City, the famous bowl I mean . Building a better crop is thus based upon nothing but the allegations of a crazy woman similar to a farmer's daughter that got raped by aliens. Ooops, me is a farmer's daughter. Okay... ^^ If memory serves (random dialogues /w Knights on the street, I think) Sarah got killed by Maxson personally to gain leadership as self-proclaimed 'Elder' of the BoS in DC w/o ever having been in the line of succession. That attempt apparently was just partly successful, for otherwise he'd reside in DC and not hover in a frakkin' zeppelin above Boston. Still in game the Knights hate Elder Lyons, guess why. Besides, how do we spell 'outcasts', hmm? Whateva, have a nice day and thanks for the interesting conversation. Keep it up! there was a cut alternative ending for the BOs were you take over it with danse as your right hand, the quest and voice acting was complete, they had all to put it on the game but it got cut aniways. It reveals an interesting cutom of the brotherhod that explains why tere are so many differences on its chapters. If a group of members leaded by someone of at least rank of paladin disagree with a elder posture the dissident leader can challenge the elder for a trail in combat for the command of the chapter. In the alternate BOS ending you dule maxon in the pridween with most of the members as withnesses and kills it. You get the post of elder and can change theyr ideology, you can continue on maxons path, or decide that synths and sentient non humans never got a choice and shouldnt be killed unless they became a menace, reforming the Lyons ideology. After Ive heard the sound files of the alternate ending some comments of people on prydewen about sarah's death become pretty clear: maxon with the help of the outcasts and some people that disagreed with Lyons challeged her for the position as elder and won. When chalengng maxon he or danse (dont remember who now) comment that its not his first duel. Very interesting, I would've liked that ending. But since it has been cut it's not canon. Well, the new Mass Effect 3 endings weren't canon either, until we the community have forced Bioware to modify the senseless original endings.
Guest Comrade DR. MAHUJ DIK Posted February 27, 2016 Posted February 27, 2016 Are you saying the Broken Mask Incident and CPG massacre never happened? It's possible that it's all a lie since the player wasn't there, though I doubt it. Roger Warwick really is replaced though, so was the mayor of Diamond City. It's in the game. There's a quest and terminal entry that covers it. Also how do you know Sarah Lyons was killed by a militant splinter faction? Proctor Quinlat's terminal only mentions that she was killed in action, not by who. And I don't know of another source that covers her death. Feel free to believe what you want to believe. Dr Karlin can't even look beyond the horizon of Diamond City, the famous bowl I mean . Building a better crop is thus based upon nothing but the allegations of a crazy woman similar to a farmer's daughter that got raped by aliens. Ooops, me is a farmer's daughter. Okay... ^^ If memory serves (random dialogues /w Knights on the street, I think) Sarah got killed by Maxson personally to gain leadership as self-proclaimed 'Elder' of the BoS in DC w/o ever having been in the line of succession. That attempt apparently was just partly successful, for otherwise he'd reside in DC and not hover in a frakkin' zeppelin above Boston. Still in game the Knights hate Elder Lyons, guess why. Besides, how do we spell 'outcasts', hmm? Whateva, have a nice day and thanks for the interesting conversation. Keep it up! there was a cut alternative ending for the BOs were you take over it with danse as your right hand, the quest and voice acting was complete, they had all to put it on the game but it got cut aniways. It reveals an interesting cutom of the brotherhod that explains why tere are so many differences on its chapters. If a group of members leaded by someone of at least rank of paladin disagree with a elder posture the dissident leader can challenge the elder for a trail in combat for the command of the chapter. In the alternate BOS ending you dule maxon in the pridween with most of the members as withnesses and kills it. You get the post of elder and can change theyr ideology, you can continue on maxons path, or decide that synths and sentient non humans never got a choice and shouldnt be killed unless they became a menace, reforming the Lyons ideology. After Ive heard the sound files of the alternate ending some comments of people on prydewen about sarah's death become pretty clear: maxon with the help of the outcasts and some people that disagreed with Lyons challeged her for the position as elder and won. When chalengng maxon he or danse (dont remember who now) comment that its not his first duel. Very interesting, I would've liked that ending. But since it has been cut it's not canon. It was cut but you can still take a look at the files, also im pretty sure theres a youtube video about it.
oblivioner Posted February 28, 2016 Posted February 28, 2016 It depends, both have an advantage and disavantage. in FO3 my charcter survived even if i refused to accept Beth being retarded and breaking its own lore on he ending. When asked to put the code I just tought; " Im really lucky fawkes is immune to radiation", but suddenly she dies and i get the secrificed a companion ending and I thought WTF super mutants are immune to radiation! the best point of FO3 ending is that you become a legend thall be never forgotten (or at least I tought, untill Ive meet maxon and saw that he bacame the wasteland hittler and never commented about the lone wanderer, not even a reference). The worst ghing is that you have tobe the hero that destroys the enclave and saves everyone, for fucks sake after dad was killed by the enclave I just wanted to nuke the place with theyr personell inside then nuke theyr base! But No I had to postpone my revenge so i could wander the wasteland searching vaults for the geck so I can finally sacrifice myself or a friend! The good point of the institute ending is that you protect the only faction thatan make the wasteland less shitty and advance knownledge even if it require some small random sacrfices its worth it, even more important then the purifier. The bad side is that you take down the brotherhood on a really unnecessary way... Why blow the prydewhen if whe could take it! they can make emp greanades and mines, why dont make a huge emp charge teleport to the prydewen making the power armor and energy weapons useless and the raid it with synths! whe could have taken theyr tech and research!! Also why send me to the railroad! Taker some nukes, make a bundle witha paper written "a master orders, a slave obbeys teleport and after some seconds blow them! Why would you EMP? If I actually had free reign over the Institute and faced with the threat of the Prydwen and the brotherhood, I'd blitz it with a teleported bio attack and gen2 synth attack(still robots == no bio concern.) In a hard bio attack(not a FEV style longer-term attack), realistically almost all of their support and pilot corps are dead. Yes the Paladins are still up, but they have no one to maintain or fly the Prydwen nor anyone to fly vertibirds(meaning any pallys on the airship are stuck, and any on the ground are equally stuck). All they have left are the paladins that are wearing helmets and any pilots and staff in-field. After that, give the paladins an option. Join to Institute and further human knowledge, or perish. That provides the institute with a nice highly trained corps of armor-trained soldiers, provides the paladins a continued existence and a collection of pre-war tech the old scavenging version could only dream of, and they get a tricked out mobile aircraft carrier with top institute gear, providing a method to allow for the full projection of Institute protection(or power) anywhere in the Commonwealth.
Jazzman Posted February 29, 2016 Posted February 29, 2016 Having simulated all possible FO4 endings I must say that everything the protagonist causes is a disgusting mess, a war crime with dead children in any scenario and, thus, the slow but inevitable end of mankind in a Commonwealth that has no future anymore. There is no difference between indoctrinated child soldiers onboard the to be hindenburged Prydwen, the kids in the to be blown up Institute or those like Nat in a Boston after the mass fusion apocalypse once they are dead or contaminated for the rest of their infertile life only because they are thirsty. Only Mrs Clinton and El Chapo the drug kingpin and a few other infamous contemporaries might state that it was worth it ... to get exterminated as a local species in the long run for a personal profit and the illusion of a quantum more power in the short run. And so I got stuck in game in a fucked up situation caused by Bethesda's hardcoded agenda. And there is, at least for the time being, no way out. I mean, the priceless value of a child that will become a fertile adult one day is known to any player once the protagonist's spouse gets shot and Shawn kidnapped, or is it?
Guest Comrade DR. MAHUJ DIK Posted February 29, 2016 Posted February 29, 2016 It depends, both have an advantage and disavantage. in FO3 my charcter survived even if i refused to accept Beth being retarded and breaking its own lore on he ending. When asked to put the code I just tought; " Im really lucky fawkes is immune to radiation", but suddenly she dies and i get the secrificed a companion ending and I thought WTF super mutants are immune to radiation! the best point of FO3 ending is that you become a legend thall be never forgotten (or at least I tought, untill Ive meet maxon and saw that he bacame the wasteland hittler and never commented about the lone wanderer, not even a reference). The worst ghing is that you have tobe the hero that destroys the enclave and saves everyone, for fucks sake after dad was killed by the enclave I just wanted to nuke the place with theyr personell inside then nuke theyr base! But No I had to postpone my revenge so i could wander the wasteland searching vaults for the geck so I can finally sacrifice myself or a friend! The good point of the institute ending is that you protect the only faction thatan make the wasteland less shitty and advance knownledge even if it require some small random sacrfices its worth it, even more important then the purifier. The bad side is that you take down the brotherhood on a really unnecessary way... Why blow the prydewhen if whe could take it! they can make emp greanades and mines, why dont make a huge emp charge teleport to the prydewen making the power armor and energy weapons useless and the raid it with synths! whe could have taken theyr tech and research!! Also why send me to the railroad! Taker some nukes, make a bundle witha paper written "a master orders, a slave obbeys teleport and after some seconds blow them! Why would you EMP? If I actually had free reign over the Institute and faced with the threat of the Prydwen and the brotherhood, I'd blitz it with a teleported bio attack and gen2 synth attack(still robots == no bio concern.) In a hard bio attack(not a FEV style longer-term attack), realistically almost all of their support and pilot corps are dead. Yes the Paladins are still up, but they have no one to maintain or fly the Prydwen nor anyone to fly vertibirds(meaning any pallys on the airship are stuck, and any on the ground are equally stuck). All they have left are the paladins that are wearing helmets and any pilots and staff in-field. After that, give the paladins an option. Join to Institute and further human knowledge, or perish. That provides the institute with a nice highly trained corps of armor-trained soldiers, provides the paladins a continued existence and a collection of pre-war tech the old scavenging version could only dream of, and they get a tricked out mobile aircraft carrier with top institute gear, providing a method to allow for the full projection of Institute protection(or power) anywhere in the Commonwealth. the readpn is that what prevents the prydwen from crashing without its pilots? its a zeppelin so the EMP wouldnt take it down butwould make the BOS defenseless. the main point is to take the prydween. (Im thinking of making ad institute questline expansion mod, wich allow youi to take decisions as its director so you can try to be nice and fix that shauns didt wrong or decide that the time has come an claim the commonwealth. Having simulated all possible FO4 endings I must say that everything the protagonist causes is a disgusting mess, a war crime with dead children in any scenario and, thus, the slow but inevitable end of mankind in a Commonwealth that has no future anymore. There is no difference between indoctrinated child soldiers onboard the to be hindenburged Prydwen, the kids in the to be blown up Institute or those like Nat in a Boston after the mass fusion apocalypse once they are dead or contaminated for the rest of their infertile life only because they are thirsty. Only Mrs Clinton and El Chapo the drug kingpin and a few other infamous contemporaries might state that it was worth it ... to get exterminated as a local species in the long run for a personal profit and the illusion of a quantum more power in the short run. And so I got stuck in game in a fucked up situation caused by Bethesda's hardcoded agenda. And there is, at least for the time being, no way out. I mean, the priceless value of a child that will become a fertile adult one day is known to any player once the protagonist's spouse gets shot and Shawn kidnapped, or is it? Thats why the institue is the future! thy found a way to completely purify theyr air and water and theyre not power hungry! they tried to help the commonwealth and were attacked because people were scared of theyr tecnology and secrecy, they killed the people the institurte sent to negotiate. Some tie later they created a council to rule tjhe commonwealth and refused to givethe institute a seat, the institute used this oportunity to retaliate cusing the CPG massacre. years after the broken mask happened... It was a fucking accident! it wasnt the first infiltrator they hade sent, it was bugged and atacked people revealing theyr existance! The institute hide itself for over 200 years why would it reveal itself this way? if they wanted to kill people thy wouod have sent qand army of gen 1 and 2 synths and no one could stop them! they say at the institute that the broken mask as never supposed to happen. Now a bit of my perspective: the institue is brillant but they suck at human relations, if they wanted the synths to stop fleeing, just send the coursers to recover the memories of some synths that died on the commonwealth. They see synths as less than animals, obviously bethesda wouldnt put the true consequences of this vision but, in all human histroy always a group saw other group as lesser beings they would rape enslave and massacre them. Nothing the institute did would be as crual as what the wastelanders would do. I thnk siding with the railroad to free synth "slaves" is bullshit. Slaves are raped, murdered, tortured, beaten and work at inhumane conditions. None of those happened to the synths in the institute, theyre not slaves, theyre servants like the peasants on middle ages. ost synths comment that theyre happy and like the institute, one even married an scientist after his wife died and is happy helping to raise his children. if you side with the railroad, you destroy the life of the majority of synths because on a unhappy minority.
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