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Skeleton help / Midna Project


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I need some assistance with a project here.  I'm 99% done with this model but I wanted to edit the skeleton to lengthen her arms, and editing the skeleton doesn't seem to do anything...  :-/

 

The arms are supposed to be closer to the left, but I've tried scaling bones, I've tried moving bones, nothing really worked...

 

uidpkh.jpg

 

Gallery of model so far for anyone interested

 

FhePH04.jpg

 

 

http://imgur.com/a/W00ku

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She is the Twilight Princess from Zelda. That is her cursed form, at the end of the game the curse is lifted and she becomes the hottest female from the Zelda series.

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No one here knows?  :(

 

Also should I have posted this on non-adult or adult section?  I figured more of the modders and people that know their way around skeletons and body models would hang around the adult section.

 

...And also i'm pretty sure there might be a lot of people here that want to bang Imp Midna, too.  :lol:

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What skeleton, Fallout 4 uses only one of the 4 skeletons nifs that are in the meshes. And if you do a character like this you should redirect the path and make a copy of the skeleton.nif in that path and edit in there.

 

I don't know how skeleton.hkx needs to be edited for Fallout 4 to change scales, Skyrim doesn't had to but that could have been a Skyrim Havok engine bug, because rig maps have a scale value and they just enforced it in Skyrim. Translatation and rotation were enforce in Skyrim.

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Yeah, I'll do that when Geck comes.  Also, four skeletons??  I know of the face skeleton...what and where are the others?

1 skeleton.nif -> USED

2 skeleton_facebones_female/male.nifs -> UNUSED

1 some raider skeelton.nif (don't know the actual name anymore) -> UNUSED

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Yeah, I'll do that when Geck comes.  Also, four skeletons??  I know of the face skeleton...what and where are the others?

1 skeleton.nif -> USED

2 skeleton_facebones_female/male.nifs -> UNUSED

1 some raider skeelton.nif (don't know the actual name anymore) -> UNUSED

 

 

Oh, thanks.  I'll try those then.

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Yeah, I'll do that when Geck comes.  Also, four skeletons??  I know of the face skeleton...what and where are the others?

1 skeleton.nif -> USED

2 skeleton_facebones_female/male.nifs -> UNUSED

1 some raider skeelton.nif (don't know the actual name anymore) -> UNUSED

 

The facebone nifs are actually used, at least in character creation. I guess they are also used with all complex facial animations. Don't know for sure tho.

 

To OP, scaling and moving bones work, but not properly. For scaling you need to edit both the bone node and the skin node (and all other nodes if there are more layers). For moving you need to right click --> apply. However, I'm sure you won't like the results lol.

 

BTW, backup before you try. Transform cannot be undone.

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Yeah, I'll do that when Geck comes.  Also, four skeletons??  I know of the face skeleton...what and where are the others?

1 skeleton.nif -> USED

2 skeleton_facebones_female/male.nifs -> UNUSED

1 some raider skeelton.nif (don't know the actual name anymore) -> UNUSED

 

The facebone nifs are actually used, at least in character creation. I guess they are also used with all complex facial animations. Don't know for sure tho.

 

To OP, scaling and moving bones work, but not properly. For scaling you need to edit both the bone node and the skin node (and all other nodes if there are more layers). For moving you need to right click --> apply. However, I'm sure you won't like the results lol.

 

BTW, backup before you try. Transform cannot be undone.

 

The skeleton referenced in the race for the player is not the one with the facebones. Like any other race.

 

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Yeah, I'll do that when Geck comes.  Also, four skeletons??  I know of the face skeleton...what and where are the others?

1 skeleton.nif -> USED

2 skeleton_facebones_female/male.nifs -> UNUSED

1 some raider skeelton.nif (don't know the actual name anymore) -> UNUSED

 

The facebone nifs are actually used, at least in character creation. I guess they are also used with all complex facial animations. Don't know for sure tho.

 

To OP, scaling and moving bones work, but not properly. For scaling you need to edit both the bone node and the skin node (and all other nodes if there are more layers). For moving you need to right click --> apply. However, I'm sure you won't like the results lol.

 

BTW, backup before you try. Transform cannot be undone.

 

 

Thanks, transform apply worked!  I'll fiddle with it and post screens in a sec.

 

EDIT:

 

Transform / apply doesn't seem to work on the hands.  :dodgy:

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Yeah, I'll do that when Geck comes.  Also, four skeletons??  I know of the face skeleton...what and where are the others?

1 skeleton.nif -> USED

2 skeleton_facebones_female/male.nifs -> UNUSED

1 some raider skeelton.nif (don't know the actual name anymore) -> UNUSED

 

The facebone nifs are actually used, at least in character creation. I guess they are also used with all complex facial animations. Don't know for sure tho.

 

To OP, scaling and moving bones work, but not properly. For scaling you need to edit both the bone node and the skin node (and all other nodes if there are more layers). For moving you need to right click --> apply. However, I'm sure you won't like the results lol.

 

BTW, backup before you try. Transform cannot be undone.

 

The skeleton referenced in the race for the player is not the one with the facebones. Like any other race.

 

I tried making crazy edits on the facebone nifs, and I could see the difference in the character creation scene. Only in that one scene tho, so I don't know how the game handles different skeleton nifs.

 

Wait, PC uses a standalone race?

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Yeah, I'll do that when Geck comes.  Also, four skeletons??  I know of the face skeleton...what and where are the others?

1 skeleton.nif -> USED

2 skeleton_facebones_female/male.nifs -> UNUSED

1 some raider skeelton.nif (don't know the actual name anymore) -> UNUSED

 

The facebone nifs are actually used, at least in character creation. I guess they are also used with all complex facial animations. Don't know for sure tho.

 

To OP, scaling and moving bones work, but not properly. For scaling you need to edit both the bone node and the skin node (and all other nodes if there are more layers). For moving you need to right click --> apply. However, I'm sure you won't like the results lol.

 

BTW, backup before you try. Transform cannot be undone.

 

The skeleton referenced in the race for the player is not the one with the facebones. Like any other race.

 

I tried making crazy edits on the facebone nifs, and I could see the difference in the character creation scene. Only in that one scene tho, so I don't know how the game handles different skeleton nifs.

 

Wait, PC uses a standalone race?

 

Nah there are just more than one human like race.

Yeah I dunno whats going on.  It won't change the orientation of the hands no matter what I do, but it will change the forearms and arms...

 

http://imgur.com/a/MpElp

If you mean with orientation, translation or rotation, those are havok enforced, no matter what you change in the skeleton.nif they are overwritten from the reference pose from skeleton.hkx.

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Is it possible to make a standalone skeleton.hkx for a race mod?  Or would that require something like Fnis since its an animation file?

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Is it possible to make a standalone skeleton.hkx for a race mod?  Or would that require something like Fnis since its an animation file?

Nah. Probably not.

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Honestly,i would prefer to see midna in her true form for once,imp version just doesn't cut it.plus true form is easier to make i would say,and prettier by a long shot

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Is it alright for me to release this here, since its a port from a Nintendo game?  I figured someone might like me to go ahead and release the current model.

 

I got into trouble last time I posted a link to a ported model...

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Honestly,i would prefer to see midna in her true form for once,imp version just doesn't cut it.plus true form is easier to make i would say,and prettier by a long shot

How about making her a Follower and being given a quest once you max out her affection?

 

That quest will involve removing the curse on her.

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