Script Overload? Please help me out.

[CrimsonOmegaLance]

I recently reinstalled Skyrim and am putting together my mod list for my next playthrough.  I've been reading through the technical support forum about script-heavy mods, and I was just wondering if I have too many.  I don't want to get 20 hours into my game and find out I'm doomed.

 

A couple of questions first off: Does Sexlab have a lot of scripts running even if nothing is going on? Like if I'm in combat and I don't have any combat-related Sexlab mods enabled? (I know I have defeat in this load order)

 

My main script mods seem to be:

Sexlab

SL-Defeat

Simple Magic Overhaul

Dragon Combat Overhaul

Ordinator

Apocalypse spells

More Skyrim Spawns(usually +1.3 spawns)/OBIS (+1 spawn)/Immersive Patrols

AH Hotkeys

Better Vampires

SM Essential Player

 

 

 

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Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp

Dawnguard.esm

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp

HearthFires.esm

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp

Dragonborn.esm

Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp

Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm

RaceCompatibility.esm

hdtHighHeel.esm

ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

WinterholdDestruction.esm

Havok Breast Physic.esm

FM - HaafingarHall.esm

ApachiiHair.esm

ApachiiHairFemales.esm

ApachiiHairMales.esm

ETaC - RESOURCES.esm

EFFCore.esm

Wyrmstooth.esp

Falskaar.esm

Inn Girls Resources.esm

SexLab.esm

CreatureFramework.esm

ZaZAnimationPack.esm

Cutting Room Floor.esp

Better Dynamic Snow.esp

SulfurRocks.esp

Cazy Hairs-by zzjay.esp

RenHair.esp

KS Hairdo's.esp

RelightingSkyrim-FULL.esp

SaturationBoost.esp

TheEyesOfBeauty.esp

AzarHairPonyTail 03 - Havok.esp

SkyrimSpeeds01.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

iHUD.esp

MIDFollowMeCloser.esp

No Skill Limit.esp

Better Stealth AI for Followers.esp

FollowerCompatibility.esp

AutoPV.esp

SkyUI.esp

AchieveThat.esp

chfshPlayerVoicesets.esp

towBlockSteal.esp

AlwaysPickUpBooks.esp

FISS.esp

UKCUtilities.esp

JaxonzNameGen.esp

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp

Don't Show Headgears Merged.esp

ETaC - Complete.esp

ETaC - Dragon Bridge South.esp

Skyrim Bridges.esp

Forgotten Dungeons.esp

Forgotten DungeonsDLC.esp

SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB + FS + WT.esp

SkyFalls DB + FS Small Waterfalls.esp

Immersive Orc Strongholds.esp

RealisticWaterTwo.esp

Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp

Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp

ExpandedWinterholdRuins.esp

RealisticWaterTwoMerged.esp

FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp

DawnofSkyrim-AllMajorCities.esp

TwoRings.esp

Fantasy Soundtrack Project.esp

Facelight.esp

Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp

Populated Skyrim Prisons Cells.esp

Dual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp

LeftHandRingsMerged.esp

Havok Breast Physic.esp

RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp

zzLSAR.esp

DeadlyDragons.esp

TTYM - Think to Yourself Messages.esp

Immersive Weapons.esp

WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp

Immersive Whiterun.esp

Immersive Solstheim.esp

Dragon Soul Relinquishment.esp

Inns and Taverns.esp

Inconsequential NPCs.esp

DeadlyMonsters.esp

Dead Body Collision.esp

Populated Forts Towers Places.esp

SMIM-Merged-All.esp

Populated Lands Roads Paths.esp

DungeonQuestAwareness.esp

mjhReducedGoldRewards.esp

FM - HHall Exterior.esp

Soulfire.esp

UNPB BBP Conversions.esp

AKHDTLeatherBoots.esp

Accessorize.esp

HDT TestSkirts.esp

S&D black temptation.esp

Arcane Rogue.esp

Arcane Sister Outfit.esp

Raven UKC.esp

HorusGuildWars2.esp

RaceMenu.esp

RaceMenuPlugin.esp

RaceMenuOverlayCompilation - UNP.esp

DialogueTweaks.esp

SGEyebrows.esp

Havok Breast Physic Dawnguard.esp

Havok Breast Physic Dragonborn.esp

SeranaKate.esp

Schlongs of Skyrim - Light.esp

SOS Equipable Schlong.esp

TradeBarter.esp

BooksBooksBooks.esp

Disparity.esp

dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp

NPCPhotoBooth.esp

RevampedExteriorFog.esp

UnreadBooksGlow.esp

SMEssentialPlayer.esp

SMEssentialPlayerDawnGuard.esp

ImmersiveLoversComfort.esp

FM - UNP Merchants.esp

Abigail The Maid.esp

Toccata.esp

Zt Followers-2.esp

FollowerElf.esp

BTRH_PrivateSquad.esp

sextoys-calyps-2.esp

BTRHF_PS_Able.esp

FollowerEmily.esp

Zt_followers.esp

rk_Followers.esp

YuiH StandAlone Follower S2.esp

AsharaErinFollower.esp

XN_Lili.esp

DF_Dianest.esp

Rowana Follower.esp

Sunsakuka's Follower.esp

FRGirls.esp

Hedi.esp

Lyla.esp

Misha.esp

3DNPC.esp

EFFDialogue.esp

3DNPC Alternative Locations.esp

3DNPC - Winterhold Mods Patch.esp

3DNPCEFF.esp

Inconsequential NPCs - CRF Compatibility Patch.esp

Gildergreen Regrown.esp

HeljarchenFarm.esp

Helgen Reborn.esp

XPMSE.esp

UIExtensions.esp

Better Vampires.esp

HouseOfHorrorsAlternateEnding.esp

AK- Namira for Good Guys.esp

The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

AK- Boethiah Alternate.esp

FNISspells.esp

FasterArrows75.esp

FireAndIceOverhaul.esp

SkySight-Simply-Bigger-Trees-Slower-Branches.esp

Girls Overhaul.esp

AddItemMenu.esp

SexLabMatchMaker.esp

MoreNastyCritters.esp

SexLabNudeCreatures.esp

SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp

SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp

HentaiCreatures.esp

NecroAnims.esp

SexLab Romance.esp

SexLab Brawling Rape.esp

MF_RadiantProstitution.esp

SexLab_Solutions.esp

animal_mansion_redux.esp

ZaForswornStory.esp

summersetisles.esp

Dark Dungeons for Skyrim-Dawnguard-Dragonborn.esp

Improved Dragon Shouts.esp

Improved Dragon Shouts - Dawnguard.esp

Improved Dragon Shouts - Dragonborn.esp

SkyrimMoreSpawns.esp

Immersive Wenches.esp

Deadly Wenches.esp

OBIS.esp

OBISDB.esp

Immersive Patrols II.esp

babes combined.esp

Bandit Patrols.esp

Helgen Babes.esp

Cutting Room Babes.esp

ETaCbabes.esp

3dnpcbabes.esp

Scarcity - Less Loot Mod.esp

SexLabDefeat.esp

Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp

Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp

Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp

Simple Spell Scaling.esp

SimpleMagicOverhaul.esp

AH Hotkeys.esp

Dragon Combat Overhaul.esp

CombatDramaOverhaul.esp

VioLens.esp

CollegeDaysWinterhold.esp

SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

[WraithSlayer]

Ultimately, it comes down to your specs (faster CPU = more script code can be executed each frame), your Papyrus settings in Skyrim.ini (you can increase the time spent executing scripts at the expense of framerate, by setting fUpdateBudgetMS higher), and what's going on in the game world at the given time.

 

These factors make it difficult to say whether you're going to run into issues, the best way to know for sure is to just try it for a while. To make sure everything's running smoothly, you can check your Papyrus log; it will contain suspended stack dumps if you have too many scripts trying to run at the same time. You can also use a script latency test (Convenient Horses has one built-in, don't know of any others) to check if scripts have too much of a delay; ideally, scripts shouldn't have more than 50-200 ms latency.

[CrimsonOmegaLance]

Alright, thanks. I'll keep playing and see what turns up. I have a couple questions though.

 

Do stack dumps look something like this:

 

 

[09/07/2015 - 08:51:29PM] Dumping stack 67047:

[09/07/2015 - 08:51:29PM] Frame count: 0 (Page count: 0)

[09/07/2015 - 08:51:29PM] State: Waiting on other stack for call (Freeze state: Freezing)

[09/07/2015 - 08:51:29PM] Type: Normal

[09/07/2015 - 08:51:29PM] Return register: None

[09/07/2015 - 08:51:29PM] Has stack callback: No

[09/07/2015 - 08:51:29PM] Stack trace:

[09/07/2015 - 08:51:29PM] [alias refPlayer on quest JaxonzArcheryUtil (37002DC2)].JaxonzArcheryUtilPlayerRef.OnHit() - (requested call)

[09/07/2015 - 08:51:29PM] [param 0]: [Actor < (C80028E5)>]

[09/07/2015 - 08:51:29PM] [param 1]: [sPELL < (00012FCD)>]

[09/07/2015 - 08:51:29PM] [param 2]: [PROJECTILE < (00012FCF)>]

[09/07/2015 - 08:51:29PM] [param 3]: False

[09/07/2015 - 08:51:29PM] [param 4]: False

[09/07/2015 - 08:51:29PM] [param 5]: False

[09/07/2015 - 08:51:29PM] [param 6]: False

 

Also, do you know why XPMSE is trying to put these scripts on a dead body? - Mod 60 is Dead Body Collision.

[09/07/2015 - 08:52:57PM] Error:  (6000E966): cannot find variable named FNIS_2hm_Select.

stack:

[ (6000E966)].Actor.SetAnimationVariableInt() - "<native>" Line ?

<unknown self>.xpmselib.SetAltAnimation() - "XPMSELib.psc" Line 152

[None].XPMSEWeaponStyleEffect.SetAltAnimation() - "XPMSEWeaponStyleEffect.psc" Line 728

[None].XPMSEWeaponStyleEffect.SetAlternativeAnimation() - "XPMSEWeaponStyleEffect.psc" Line 722

[None].XPMSEWeaponStyleEffect.Cleanup() - "XPMSEWeaponStyleEffect.psc" Line 292

[None].XPMSEWeaponStyleEffect.OnCellDetach() - "XPMSEWeaponStyleEffect.psc" Line 195

 

[WraithSlayer]

Suspended stack dumps look like this.

 

XPMSE applies scripts to all actors in your general area, in order to set proper weapon scaling and other features. I had a similar issue with the XPMSE plugin, where it would generate a whole lot of Papyrus logs, so I just disabled the plugin, as I only installed the mod for the skeleton and wasn't planning on using the extra features anyway.

 

 

[Groovtama]

 

Alright, thanks. I'll keep playing and see what turns up. I have a couple questions though.

 

Do stack dumps look something like this:

 

 

[09/07/2015 - 08:51:29PM] Dumping stack 67047:

[09/07/2015 - 08:51:29PM] Frame count: 0 (Page count: 0)

[09/07/2015 - 08:51:29PM] State: Waiting on other stack for call (Freeze state: Freezing)

[09/07/2015 - 08:51:29PM] Type: Normal

[09/07/2015 - 08:51:29PM] Return register: None

[09/07/2015 - 08:51:29PM] Has stack callback: No

[09/07/2015 - 08:51:29PM] Stack trace:

[09/07/2015 - 08:51:29PM] [alias refPlayer on quest JaxonzArcheryUtil (37002DC2)].JaxonzArcheryUtilPlayerRef.OnHit() - (requested call)

[09/07/2015 - 08:51:29PM] [param 0]: [Actor < (C80028E5)>]

[09/07/2015 - 08:51:29PM] [param 1]: [sPELL < (00012FCD)>]

[09/07/2015 - 08:51:29PM] [param 2]: [PROJECTILE < (00012FCF)>]

[09/07/2015 - 08:51:29PM] [param 3]: False

[09/07/2015 - 08:51:29PM] [param 4]: False

[09/07/2015 - 08:51:29PM] [param 5]: False

[09/07/2015 - 08:51:29PM] [param 6]: False

 

Also, do you know why XPMSE is trying to put these scripts on a dead body? - Mod 60 is Dead Body Collision.

[09/07/2015 - 08:52:57PM] Error:  (6000E966): cannot find variable named FNIS_2hm_Select.

stack:

[ (6000E966)].Actor.SetAnimationVariableInt() - "<native>" Line ?

<unknown self>.xpmselib.SetAltAnimation() - "XPMSELib.psc" Line 152

[None].XPMSEWeaponStyleEffect.SetAltAnimation() - "XPMSEWeaponStyleEffect.psc" Line 728

[None].XPMSEWeaponStyleEffect.SetAlternativeAnimation() - "XPMSEWeaponStyleEffect.psc" Line 722

[None].XPMSEWeaponStyleEffect.Cleanup() - "XPMSEWeaponStyleEffect.psc" Line 292

[None].XPMSEWeaponStyleEffect.OnCellDetach() - "XPMSEWeaponStyleEffect.psc" Line 195

 

The body is not dead it is in a detached cell and actors in a detach cell can't get their animation variables changed, that issue is long ago removed.

[CrimsonOmegaLance]

Suspended stack dumps look like this.

 

XPMSE applies scripts to all actors in your general area, in order to set proper weapon scaling and other features. I had a similar issue with the XPMSE plugin, where it would generate a whole lot of Papyrus logs, so I just disabled the plugin, as I only installed the mod for the skeleton and wasn't planning on using the extra features anyway.

 

So I can just uncheck the XP32 plugin and the skeleton will still work fine?

[Rooker]

If you haven't already, I think you need to clean immersive patrols with tes5edit. I seemed to remember it had several dirty edits. It also seems to have caused quite a few CTDs for me that mostly went away when I removed it, but that might be due to me having an underpowered PC.

[CrimsonOmegaLance]

If you haven't already, I think you need to clean immersive patrols with tes5edit. I seemed to remember it had several dirty edits. It also seems to have caused quite a few CTDs for me that mostly went away when I removed it, but that might be due to me having an underpowered PC.

 

Thanks, I'll try that out.

 

And I'll remove it if I still end up crashing. I don't think its that critical to my playthrough.

[Arhon]

Ultimately, it comes down to your specs (faster CPU = more script code can be executed each frame),

 

Hmm I didn't know that about the CPU...

 

Guess my Dual Core i5 CPU is slow since its 2 cores (or did I understand wrong? )

[WraithSlayer]

 

Ultimately, it comes down to your specs (faster CPU = more script code can be executed each frame),

 

Hmm I didn't know that about the CPU...

 

Guess my Dual Core i5 CPU is slow since its 2 cores (or did I understand wrong? )

 

 

A higher number of cores can help, as Papyrus is multi-threaded if I recall correctly, but the benefits are mostly noticeable if you have a large amount of independent scripts that can be processed simultaneously by multiple cores. If you have fewer but more processing-intensive scripts, then multiple cores won't do as much difference, it's mostly a matter of raw clock speed and how efficient the processor's micro-architecture is.

[Arhon]

 

 

Ultimately, it comes down to your specs (faster CPU = more script code can be executed each frame),

 

Hmm I didn't know that about the CPU...

 

Guess my Dual Core i5 CPU is slow since its 2 cores (or did I understand wrong? )

 

 

A higher number of cores can help, as Papyrus is multi-threaded if I recall correctly, but the benefits are mostly noticeable if you have a large amount of independent scripts that can be processed simultaneously by multiple cores. If you have fewer but more processing-intensive scripts, then multiple cores won't do as much difference, it's mostly a matter of raw clock speed and how efficient the processor's micro-architecture is.

 

 

So help me to understand, Since I got an i5 dual core clocked at 3.33GhZ(never OC'ed it) its almost as good as a Quad Core clocked at same or below speed?

 

Too my understanding a Dual Core has more power since its essentially process the scripts within 2 powerful Cores(4 threads) but a bit slower than a Quad Core. The main difference is that if your core is a Quad Core it can share the process to its 4 cores within 4-8 threads to do the same job simultaneously but at a faster rate because its sharing the process within 4 core instead of 2.

 

Is that it ?

 

I just don't know much about CPU that's why I am asking

[WraithSlayer]

 

So help me to understand, Since I got an i5 dual core clocked at 3.33GhZ(never OC'ed it) its almost as good as a Quad Core clocked at same or below speed?

 

Too my understanding a Dual Core has more power since its essentially process the scripts within 2 powerful Cores(4 threads) but a bit slower than a Quad Core. The main difference is that if your core is a Quad Core it can share the process to its 4 cores within 4-8 threads to do the same job simultaneously but at a faster rate because its sharing the process within 4 core instead of 2.

 

Is that it ?

 

I just don't know much about CPU that's why I am asking

 

 

Think of a processor core as an assembly line in a factory. You can't have 2 assembly lines working on the exact same item at the same time, so if you have just one very complex item to build, then not even a million assembly lines are going to make it go any faster than having just 1. On the other hand, if you have lots of items you need to build, you can spread them out between your lines to maximize efficiency.

 

Having just searched about it, it does seem like Papyrus is highly threaded. (each script instance generates its own thread, so a modded Skyrim will have dozens or even hundreds of script threads running at any given time, that can be distributed among the available cores) With that in mind, having a quad-core (that is, four physical cores, don't fall into Intel's Hyperthreading marketing schemes ) would most likely improve script performance considerably compared to a dual-core setup with equal per-core performance. But, again, it depends on kind of Papyrus scripts are running in your game: if you have 50 scripts that need only 1ms of processing time, then the total time to finish them all can be calculated by 50 ms / number_of_cores (well, with some leeway, because there are other apps and system tasks running too in your PC), but if you have 1 huge resource-hog script that takes 800 ms to go through, then that script is always going to be pretty slow regardless of how many cores are available.

[Arhon]

 

 

So help me to understand, Since I got an i5 dual core clocked at 3.33GhZ(never OC'ed it) its almost as good as a Quad Core clocked at same or below speed?

 

Too my understanding a Dual Core has more power since its essentially process the scripts within 2 powerful Cores(4 threads) but a bit slower than a Quad Core. The main difference is that if your core is a Quad Core it can share the process to its 4 cores within 4-8 threads to do the same job simultaneously but at a faster rate because its sharing the process within 4 core instead of 2.

 

Is that it ?

 

I just don't know much about CPU that's why I am asking

 

 

Think of a processor core as an assembly line in a factory. You can't have 2 assembly lines working on the exact same item at the same time, so if you have just one very complex item to build, then not even a million assembly lines are going to make it go any faster than having just 1. On the other hand, if you have lots of items you need to build, you can spread them out between your lines to maximize efficiency.

 

Having just searched about it, it does seem like Papyrus is highly threaded. (each script instance generates its own thread, so a modded Skyrim will have dozens or even hundreds of script threads running at any given time, that can be distributed among the available cores) With that in mind, having a quad-core (that is, four physical cores, don't fall into Intel's Hyperthreading marketing schemes ) would most likely improve script performance considerably compared to a dual-core setup with equal per-core performance. But, again, it depends on kind of Papyrus scripts are running in your game: if you have 50 scripts that need only 1ms of processing time, then the total time to finish them all can be calculated by 50 ms / number_of_cores (well, with some leeway, because there are other apps and system tasks running too in your PC), but if you have 1 huge resource-hog script that takes 800 ms to go through, then that script is always going to be pretty slow regardless of how many cores are available.

 

 

I see I definitely understood better this time thanks Wraith

 

Also Quad Core is more than enough really, 8 Core CPU are kind of useless currently since nearly(I said NEARLY not everything) nothing needs that much.

 

Well I will be thinking of replacing my CPU(dual core i5) if it cant handle Fallout 4