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Fallout New Vegas Warning Mod Limit Above 139 Plugins Helpz

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Guest Azaxiv

Guest Azaxiv

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Hi Guys My Game Worked Perfectly Before Now It Gives Me A Warning Error After Adding More Mods I Don't Know Why?

Also I Play In Windowed Mode And I Have {NVSE 5.0Beta2} Installed Also I Am New So A Beginner Small Guide Would Be Appericiated 

 

And Here Are My

NVSE Plugins 

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New Vegas Optimized

New Vegas Stutter Remover

New Vegas AutoPurge Crash Protect

New Vegas Anti Crash

JIP Plugin

Lutana Plugin

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The Warning Popup Message:

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zippy57

zippy57

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That's that stupid Nexus plugin limit bullshit. Do you have JIP Command and Control by any chance? I can give you a version of the plugin with that popup message removed.

zippy57

zippy57

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There's nothing to fix. The error it's talking about doesn't actually exist. Replacing your C&C plugin with the one I've attached should stop the message from appearing. If I attached the right one, that is. Let me know when you've downloaded it and have confirmed or denied that it is working so I can remove it.

JIP Companions Command & Control.esp

BruceWayne

BruceWayne

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http://www.loverslab.com/topic/51053-issues-after-opening-storage-chests/?p=1280863

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/16435-tracking-down-the-plugin-limit/?p=370805

 

If your game starts to look like any of these, you've hit the plugin limit. It is real, the only thing that is not exactly known is the exact number of plugins that causes it, since some people can get away with more, some with less. 139 is the "agreed" upon limit which is given as a rule of thumb and lowest common denominator. Though I wasn't aware that some plugins have actual warnings like the one above built in.

Guest Azaxiv

Guest Azaxiv

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There's nothing to fix. The error it's talking about doesn't actually exist. Replacing your C&C plugin with the one I've attached should stop the message from appearing. If I attached the right one, that is. Let me know when you've downloaded it and have confirmed or denied that it is working so I can remove it.

YES Thank You It Works But Only Done The Tutorial Will Tell You More After More Testing/Gameplay

zippy57

zippy57

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It is real, the only thing that is not exactly known is the exact number of plugins that causes it, since some people can get away with more, some with less. 139 is the "agreed" upon limit which is given as a rule of thumb and lowest common denominator. Though I wasn't aware that some plugins have actual warnings like the one above built in.

The error message C&C is giving is specifically referring to the non-existent rollover bug that was "discovered" on the Nexus after some person misread an MO log, ran with it, and no one bothered to check his work.
BruceWayne

BruceWayne

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While that may be, I can understand why authors wouldn't want to offer support for bugs that may arise, if the plugin limit, wherever it may be, is reached.

 

Or are you saying that there is new insight in the "max. plugin" dilemma? I haven't kept up with it, after our discussion a couple of years ago.

zippy57

zippy57

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No new insight. It's pretty much what I said: Some random person on the Nexus misread a Mod Organizer log for FNV and declared that 139 plugins was a hard limit due to an engine bug causing FormIDs to roll over to 00 starting with the 140th plugin, thereby overwriting vanilla records. It would take ten minutes max to disprove (I would know because I did it) but the Nexus being the Nexus everyone was either dumb enough to go along with it or too afraid of being banned to say anything to the contrary. Time passes and it goes from being a theory advanced by someone who doesn't even know how hexadecimal works to "fact", and we get an error message in C&C that pops up every single time you load a game scaring users into thinking something is going horribly wrong. The plugin limit is still user-by-user, and the signs of the plugin limit being reached are well known and its easy to identify when a user is reporting a related issue, so a message like this is just stupid and unnecessary. Additionally, there's no evidence whatsoever that hitting the plugin limit does anything other than screw up mesh and texture loading, so claims of game corruption are also ridiculous, though they're mostly based on the already-disproven notion that Doc Mitchell might become a toaster if mod 140 has the wrong ID in the wrong place.

Guest

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The limit before CTD both PS and me found was 165 - number of mods that use at least 1 BSA file.

 

But just few days ago I found a post of Luthien Anarion which was saying something more about that 139 limit, he was writing it was a bug introduced after a certain patch of NV. There could be more and we simply never knew that, I always said I was finding so strange that both Luthien Anarion and JIP took that silly explanation on Nexus as a valid explanation, when it takes you only 10 minutes to verify that it was false and the IDs don't roll over

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