Starting over

*sen4mi* · March 21, 2012

I ran into some problems with my last playthrough, and I think I am going to start over with a new character.

And, because playing the same content over and over again gets boring, I want to install a bunch of mods to change how things play.

So I am pulling down a lot of the mods from the nexus "top n" lists (and I will have to study them for some time because they do not all play well together).

I already have body mods installed and sexout, so I am using almost nothing from the adult content parts of nexus. Some of Dalls mods look interesting though. I also want to include a few companion mods -- even if I do not use them, I want them handy if I change my mind. (And I might.)

But mostly, I am interested in whether any of the "pervasive mods" have known issues that did not make it into any of the prominent download posts here? (electro city, readius and vurt's flora see plausible, fook might be iffy, ...)

Also, if anyone remembers issues with any of these mods, if they could propose tests -- so that I could see if I am afflicted in my early game instead of when I have put weeks into a character -- that would be great.

I will also be spending some time searching these forums for descriptions of issues, but I could easily overlook an important point.

So any specific recollections would be wonderful! (Thanks!)

*ChancellorKremlin* · March 21, 2012

Electro City works fine for me.

mirwayneth · March 21, 2012

Always a worthy undertaking.

Since I'm constantly testing new mods, my load orders (and stability) fluctuate somewhat, but here's the load order of my latest character - hasn't run into any problems yet.

[spoiler=Load Order][X] FalloutNV.esm

[X] DeadMoney.esm

[X] OldWorldBlues.esm

[X] HonestHearts.esm

[X] LonesomeRoad.esm

[X] CaravanPack.esm

[X] MercenaryPack.esm

[X] ClassicPack.esm

[X] TribalPack.esm

[X] GunRunnersArsenal.esm

[X] FOOK - New Vegas.esm

[X] FOOK - New Vegas DLCs.esm

[X] ELECTRO-CITY - CompletedWorkorders.esm

[X] ELECTRO-CITY - Highways and Byways.esm

[X] More Perks.esm

[X] More Perks for Companions.esm

[X] More Traits.esm

[X] More Perks for Dead Money.esm

[X] More Perks for Honest Hearts.esm

[X] More Perks for Old World Blues.esm

[X] AEFCore.esm

[X] RaiderGirlCyanNV.esm

[X] MikotoBeauty.esm

[X] Survivalist Bunker.esm

[X] Sexout.esm

[X] SexoutCommonResources.esm

[X] SexoutLegion.esm

[X] Sexout LevelUp.esp

[X] SexoutNotify.esp

[X] Advanced Recon Armor.esp

[X] CompanionDe-Equip.esp

[X] More Perks for Companions Update.esp

[X] More Perks for Dead Money Update.esp

[X] More Perks for Honest Hearts Update.esp

[X] More Perks for Old World Blues Update.esp

[X] More Traits Update.esp

[X] More Perks Update.esp

[X] WeaponModsExpanded.esp

[X] WMX-GunRunnersArsenal.esp

[X] WMX-PreOrderPackCaravan.esp

[X] WMX-PreOrderPackClassic.esp

[X] WMX-PreOrderPackMercenary.esp

[X] WMX-PreOrderPackTribal.esp

[X] WMX-DeadMoney.esp

[X] WMX-HonestHearts.esp

[X] WMX-LonesomeRoad.esp

[X] WMX-OldWorldBlues.esp

[X] The Weapon Mod Menu.esp

[X] WMX-ArenovalisTextures.esp

[X] 101Posters.esp

[X] 101Billboards.esp

[X] WeaponJamming.esp

[X] FOOK - New Vegas.esp

[X] FOOK - New Vegas DLCs.esp

[X] UnlimitedTraits.esp

[X] WMX-FOOKNV CP.esp

[X] WMX-FOOKNV-DLCs CP.esp

[X] SmallerTalk.esp

[X] SexoutSex.esp

[X] Sunglasses Shipment.esp

[X] Sunglasses Shipment - Four Eyes.esp

[X] SexoutZAZ.esp

[X] The Mod Configuration Menu.esp

[X] SexoutCompanions.esp

Electro City, Vurt's Flora (stopped using it anyways because it choked my fps on highest settings) and FOOK work fine for me. Weather mods cause instability so I stopped using them (both NSkies and Fellout), though I don't know whether that's related to Sexout or not.

I stopped using Sexout Crowds because it broke companion follow protocols, but I'm not sure if that's an inherent problem of the mod or a conflict with one of my companion mods.

As far as overhaul mods go, both the NCR Rearmament mod and CNR (the legion overhaul) work fine - although for some reason, the newly-added units from CNR seem unaffected by Legion Tryouts. Doesn't break anything, you just get raped less often.

Imp's More Complex Needs works well (wouldn't play without it), Arwen's caused a bunch of problems with Sexout, both for me and others.

Companion-wise, I've variously used Cyan, Melissa, Sunny, Willow and FPT ED-E. They're unaffected by stuff like Tryouts, of course, but didn't seem to cause any problems beyond that. Just have them wait somewhere if you're planning on getting enslaved.

And that's it. Can only speak for myself, obviously, but I hope it helps some nonetheless.

PS: And in case you didn't already, I can't recommend downloading the Type 3M Clothing mod highly enough.

revanag · March 21, 2012

About making more immersive gameplay by enhancing graphic with some cool mods I really recommand stuf like CLO (Custom Lighting Overhaul), CinemateCh, NSkies Urwlified best for me, enhanced shaders lite, maybe dynavision and iHUD. I really apprietiate pocobueno for textures with higher resolution than basics in game but not so high to touch performance.

Diector's Chair and MCM makes customizing all of this stuff very easily.

By combining settings and mods I finally ended with this:

I can't say anything bad about electro-city, it's also fine mod with nice touch for gameplay

*sen4mi* · March 22, 2012

So... I still need to go over this, but here's my current tentative load order:

FalloutNV.esm

DeadMoney.esm

HonestHearts.esm

OldWorldBlues.esm

LonesomeRoad.esm

Ambient Temperature.esm

Advanced Recon Tech.esm

oHUD.esm

NSkies URWLified.esm

Project Nevada - Core.esm

MoMod.esm

Lings.esm

ELECTRO-CITY - CompletedWorkorders.esm

ELECTRO-CITY - Highways and Byways.esm

AWorldOfPain(Preview).esm

Project Nevada - Cyberware.esp

Project Nevada - Equipment.esm

Project Nevada - Rebalance.esp

Weapon Mod Expansion.esm

WME - DLCs.esm

FOOK - New Vegas.esm

Sexout.esm

SexoutCommonResources.esm

SexoutLegion.esm

SexoutSlavery.esm

Readius_NV.esp

NVEC BugFixes Improved Sound FX Patch.esp

SmallerTalk.esp

Jet Classic.esp

The Mod Configuration Menu.esp

AWOP-MoMod.esp

MoMod-MCMMenu.esp

MoMod-NightSpawn.esp

populatedcasino.esp

AlienSymbiot.esp

Dalls_Lodger.esp

Laurens_Bathroom_poetry.esp

FOOK - New Vegas.esp

FOOK - Lings.esp

Project Nevada - Dead Money.esp

Project Nevada - Honest Hearts.esp

Project Nevada - Lonesome Road.esp

Project Nevada - Old World Blues (No Cyberware).esp

NewVegasBounties.esp

YamsPinupParade.esp

Advanced Recon Gear.esp

Advanced Recon Tech.esp

Advanced Recon Gear - Project Nevada.esp

LingsPrettyThings.esp

NVWillow.esp

Imp's More Complex Needs.esp

IMCNNV - Sorted.esp

More Realistic Aiming.esp

Weapon Mod Expansion.esp

Project Nevada - WME.esp

WME - DLCs.esp

WME - DLCs Arenovalis.esp

EVE FNV.esp

Project Nevada - EVE.esp

WMEVE - FOOK.esp

LUMENARIUM - Working Sunglasses ONLY.esp

LUMENARIUMandELECTROCITY - Nevada Skies Replacer.esp

NSkies URWLifiedOWB.esp

NSkies URWLifiedHH.esp

NSkies URWLifiedDM.esp

LUMENARIUM - Bright Clear Days.esp

hunter.esp

Sexout LevelUp.esp

SexoutBribes.esp

SexoutBrutalRapers.esp

SexoutCheckMeOut.esp

SexoutClothingEval.esp

SexoutCompanions.esp

SexoutDrugs.esp

SexoutEncounters.esp

SexoutFadeToBlack.esp

SexoutFiends.esp

SexoutKhans.esp

SexoutKings.esp

SexoutLust.esp

SexoutNCR.esp

SexoutPowderGangers.esp

SexoutPregnancyNG.esp

SexoutSS_C.esp

SexoutWorkingGirl.esp

SexoutZAZ.esp

Total active plugins: 86

Total plugins: 89

I might remove FOOK. I might remove some of the others.

But if anyone sees anything really bad, please let me know.

monolith · March 22, 2012

Fook and Project Nevada work alongside but I would deactivate PNrebalance and PNequipment. Just use cyberware and core of PN or you will have duplicate weapons and wonder why mods don't work for them and similar stuff. Nothing gamebreaking but it can fuck up vendor lists and such. Not sure how Imps more complex needs will play along, I suggest to disable more immersive needs in PN core module unless you really like the sound of your stomach grumbling:).

*sen4mi* · March 22, 2012

Fook and Project Nevada work alongside but I would deactivate PNrebalance and PNequipment. Just use cyberware and core of PN or you will have duplicate weapons and wonder why mods don't work for them and similar stuff. Nothing gamebreaking but it can fuck up vendor lists and such. Not sure how Imps more complex needs will play along' date=' I suggest to disable more immersive needs in PN core module unless you really like the sound of your stomach grumbling:).

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Ok... I am still working through my issues (and both adding and subtracting from this list), but this sounds like solid information.

That said...

I am removing Imp's More Complex Needs.esp and IMCNNV - Sorted.esp -- I had problems in my last playthrough which I feel I should blame on IMCNNV, so I am doing without, this time. If PN core has immersive needs, I'll try them...

Also, disabling Project Nevada - Equipment.esm means that I will have to disable Project Nevada - EVE.esp and Project Nevada - WME.esp. But maybe that is because they become irrelevant? (Edit: yes, it looks like that's all just equipment.. out it goes...)

saladboy21 · March 22, 2012

Heh I am gonna be doing a new playthrough soon as the mantis and scorpion rape and pregnancy are online.

*sen4mi* · March 23, 2012

Here's my current tentative load order:

FalloutNV.esm

DeadMoney.esm

HonestHearts.esm

OldWorldBlues.esm

LonesomeRoad.esm

Ambient Temperature.esm

Advanced Recon Tech.esm

oHUD.esm

NSkies URWLified.esm

Project Nevada - Core.esm

MoMod.esm

Lings.esm

ELECTRO-CITY - CompletedWorkorders.esm

ELECTRO-CITY - Highways and Byways.esm

AWorldOfPain(Preview).esm

Project Nevada - Cyberware.esp

Weapon Mod Expansion.esm

WME - DLCs.esm

FOOK - New Vegas.esm

Sexout.esm

SexoutCommonResources.esm

SexoutLegion.esm

SexoutSlavery.esm

Readius_NV.esp

SmallerTalk.esp

DrugsAreBadMKay.esp

FeelingIrradiated.esp

Jet Classic.esp

The Mod Configuration Menu.esp

AWOP-MoMod.esp

MoMod-MCMMenu.esp

MoMod-NightSpawn.esp

populatedcasino.esp

AlienSymbiot.esp

Dalls_Lodger.esp

Laurens_Bathroom_poetry.esp

UWHNV-Core.esp

UWHNV-Addon-DLC.esp

AWOP DLC Conflict Error Fixes.esp

UWHNV-Addon-FollowerHome.esp

FOOK - New Vegas.esp

FOOK - Lings.esp

Project Nevada - Dead Money.esp

Project Nevada - Honest Hearts.esp

Project Nevada - Lonesome Road.esp

NewVegasBounties.esp

YamsPinupParade.esp

Advanced Recon Gear.esp

Advanced Recon Tech.esp

Advanced Recon Gear - Project Nevada.esp

Boacombat2glove.esp

dD-Reduced Dismember Force - EVE.esp

dD-Smaller Wounds - EVE.esp

LingsPrettyThings.esp

More Realistic Aiming.esp

WeaponModsExpanded.esp

WMX-FOOKNV CP.esp

WMX-DeadMoney.esp

WMX-HonestHearts.esp

WMX-OldWorldBlues.esp

WMX-LonesomeRoad.esp

Weapon Mod Expansion.esp

WME - DLCs.esp

WME - DLCs Arenovalis.esp

EVE FNV.esp

WME-AWOP-EVE Patch.esp

WMEVE - FOOK.esp

WMX-EVE.esp

DN More Lights.esp

LUMENARIUM - Working Sunglasses ONLY.esp

URWLNV Darker Night.esp

URWLNV Brighter Lights.esp

NVGoggles.esp

NSkies URWLifiedOWB.esp

NSkies URWLifiedHH.esp

NSkies URWLifiedDM.esp

LUMENARIUM - Bright Clear Days.esp

hunter.esp

FNNsysNV.esp

UWHNV-Addon-Time for Bed NV.esp

Sexout LevelUp.esp

SexoutBribes.esp

SexoutBrutalRapers.esp

SexoutCheckMeOut.esp

SexoutClothingEval.esp

SexoutCompanions.esp

SexoutDrugs.esp

SexoutEncounters.esp

SexoutFadeToBlack.esp

SexoutFiends.esp

SexoutKhans.esp

SexoutKings.esp

SexoutLust.esp

SexoutLust - oHUD.esp

SexoutNCR.esp

SexoutPowderGangers.esp

SexoutPregnancyNG.esp

SexoutSS_C.esp

SexoutWorkingGirl.esp

SexoutZAZ.esp

Total active plugins: 100

Total plugins: 103

I really ought to do another pass, trying to find relevant information in readmes and web side writeups.

So, so many mods want me to load them last.

I decided that I had to get rid of NVWillow, because that interfered with character generation (my worst problem was that I could not pick my eye color).

But I think I have most of the other popular mods from nexus which will not conflict too badly with each other or with content from here.

monolith · March 23, 2012

EVERY mod wants you to load them last:) But overriding often isn't much of a problem. It does not lead to crashes much but you never know if something is working as it should or if funky behaviour is caused by some conflict. Just think about what aspects of the game a mod alters and check if some other mod alters the same thing. If there is such a conflict, decide wich mod you prefer and set it lower on the loadorder. Some conflicts are obvious, like equipment from PN and equipment from FOOK. Others are more subtle, NVSkies alters the timescale iirc and plays silly buggers with arwens mod because this also alters timescale.

I think this is also one of the main reasons for bugs with sexout and PI's. Some other mod doing something in the background interrupting a script or effect or whatever. I recommend starting with fewer mods and adding new ones one by one. It's easier to spot conflicts and pin down problems. Also char generation is prone to conflicts a lot more than other sections of the game. Start your game with a minimum (major overhauls like PN and FOOK) and enable the rest after doc mitchells examination.

also I would move down smallertalk.esp. Dialogue alterations can fuck up quests, equipment mods generally do not. As a general guideline load first mods that alter only meshes and textures, then dialogue and quests and then scripts and effects.

*sen4mi* · March 24, 2012

I leave smallertalk disabled by default. But I will inspect it again, to see if I can see any conflicts which seem bad.

I did find that that willow mod was horrible. Just having it (the lore friendly willow plugin) in my save game history was enough to break sexout (I had accidentally activated it when I loaded my load order). It had lots of damaged records...

Soulsemmer · March 24, 2012

I've been running Willow for a few versions now (quite a while) and I have very rarely ever had ANY problems with her.

*sen4mi* · March 24, 2012

Which version of willow are you using?

Also, are you playing a male or female character?

(Also, do you use Lings.esm?)

Here is a clip from FNVEdit's messages, describing my copy of NVWillow.esp:

[00:23] Background Loader: [NVWillow.esp] Building reference info.

[00:24] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord PKED

[00:24] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord POBA

[00:24] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord INAM 4D414E49

[00:24] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord SCHR 52484353

[00:24] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord TNAM 4D414E54

[00:24] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord POEA

[00:24] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord INAM 4D414E49

[00:24] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord SCHR 52484353

[00:24] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord SCTX 58544353

[00:24] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord TNAM 4D414E54

[00:24] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord POCA

[00:24] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord INAM 4D414E49

[00:24] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord SCHR 52484353

[00:24] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord TNAM 4D414E54

[00:24] Background Loader: Errors were found in: FollowersWillowFollowPlayerFollowDrinkSSFull [PACK:36043764]

[00:24] Background Loader: Contained subrecords: EDID PKDT PLDT PSDT PTDT CTDA CTDA CTDA IDLF IDLC IDLT IDLA CNAM PKED POBA INAM SCHR TNAM POEA INAM SCHR SCTX TNAM POCA INAM SCHR TNAM