ToxicKin Posted June 1, 2015 Posted June 1, 2015 Hello! For a little while now I have had lag-spikes when playing Skyrim. They're not extremely prevalent, but happen often enough to be very disruptive in gameplay. I'll try to keep it short. The lag-spikes almost only occurs in outdoor areas, but have happened a few times in cities, and once in a dungeon. The framerate drops from around the 40-50 FPS I have normally to the 0.5-2.0 range. This happens when I look around, tough it seemingly isn't loading lag (or at least not only) as I can be looking in the same direction and continuously be having very low framerate. It's CPU oriented, I'm fairly sure. During those lag-spikes, GPU load decreases substantially, while one of the CPU cores is in full load (check the attached picture). Again, it happens when I look in certain directions in certain places. Sometimes, moving a few steps to the side can make the framerate come back up again, sometimes I need to pan the camera direction. Also, while this could be an effect of confirmation bias: I do think it happens more often in combat. 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Does anyone recognize this issue? Even after extensive googling, I've seen few threads with people having truly similar issues. Only this one managed to explain it so it seemed like it was the same issue, but there were no valid answers there. I'd greatly appreciate the help!
Swissenergy Posted June 1, 2015 Posted June 1, 2015 Ok first off, use LOOT to sort your load order because you've got mods most certainly in the wrong order. (Ex: Official DLC should always come before all other .esm, except for their corresponding unofficial patch which should be right below it) Also, your enblocal.ini file would be helpful. I used to have a similar problem with Realvision when I first installed it, turned out I wasn't given it enough video memory in combination with higher res. textures I'm running. Your issue could be something completely different though.
ToxicKin Posted June 1, 2015 Author Posted June 1, 2015 Ok first off, use LOOT to sort your load order because you've got mods most certainly in the wrong order. (Ex: Official DLC should always come before all other .esm, except for their corresponding unofficial patch which should be right below it) Also, your enblocal.ini file would be helpful. I used to have a similar problem with Realvision when I first installed it, turned out I wasn't given it enough video memory in combination with higher res. textures I'm running. Your issue could be something completely different though. I run LOOT through Mod Organizer, so the load order should be correct... Hmm. Anyway... It would seem you're onto something. The enblocal.ini is setup as follows: [PROXY] EnableProxyLibrary=true InitProxyFunctions=true ProxyLibrary=d3d9injFX.dll [GLOBAL] UsePatchSpeedhackWithoutGraphics=false UseDefferedRendering=true IgnoreCreationKit=true ForceFakeVideocard=false [PERFORMANCE] SpeedHack=true EnableOcclusionCulling=true [MULTIHEAD] ForceVideoAdapterIndex=false VideoAdapterIndex=0 [MEMORY] ExpandSystemMemoryX64=true ReduceSystemMemoryUsage=true DisableDriverMemoryManager=false DisablePreloadToVRAM=false EnableUnsafeMemoryHacks=false ReservedMemorySizeMb=512 VideoMemorySizeMb=0 // VRAM + RAM - 2048 EnableCompression=true AutodetectVideoMemorySize=false [WINDOW] ForceBorderless=false ForceBorderlessFullscreen=false [ENGINE] ForceAnisotropicFiltering=true MaxAnisotropy=16 ForceLodBias=false LodBias=0.0 AddDisplaySuperSamplingResolutions=false EnableVSync=true VSyncSkipNumFrames=0 [LIMITER] WaitBusyRenderer=false EnableFPSLimit=false FPSLimit=60.0 [iNPUT] //shift KeyCombination=16 //f12 KeyUseEffect=123 //home KeyFPSLimit=36 //num / 106 KeyShowFPS=106 //insert KeyScreenshot=45 //enter KeyEditor=13 //f4 KeyFreeVRAM=115 [ADAPTIVEQUALITY] Enable=false Quality=1 DesiredFPS=20.0 [ANTIALIASING] EnableEdgeAA=true EnableTemporalAA=false EnableSubPixelAA=true EnableTransparencyAA=false [FIX] FixGameBugs=true FixParallaxBugs=true FixAliasedTextures=true IgnoreInventory=true FixSsaoHairTransparency=true FixTintGamma=false RemoveBlur=false FixSubSurfaceScattering=true FixSkyReflection=true FixCursorVisibility=true I thought I had set VideoMemorySizeMb already... but apparently not. Embarrassing. I'll try setting it to 16 384 and report back the results in a bit! Thanks for your reply!
Swissenergy Posted June 1, 2015 Posted June 1, 2015 16384? That's too high, try setting it to 2048 or 4096. You can go above those but not a lot more. To find out how much RAM you can use: -Open the control panel -Click Appearance and Personalize -Click adjust screen resolution -Click advanced settings -Under the "adapter" tab you should see a value for "total dedicated graphics memory" -Take the value and subtract 170 -The number you get is the max number to put in the line VideoMemorySizeMb (for my system I take 6887 - 170 = 6717) Hope this helps!
Swissenergy Posted June 1, 2015 Posted June 1, 2015 If that's really the order LOOT puts your mods in, I'd either reinstall LOOT or just manually change your order. Here my load order after using LOOT. CurrentLoadOrder.txt
ToxicKin Posted June 1, 2015 Author Posted June 1, 2015 16384? That's too high, try setting it to 2048 or 4096. You can go above those but not a lot more. To find out how much RAM you can use: -Open the control panel -Click Appearance and Personalize -Click adjust screen resolution -Click advanced settings -Under the "adapter" tab you should see a value for "total dedicated graphics memory" -Take the value and subtract 170 -The number you get is the max number to put in the line VideoMemorySizeMb (for my system I take 6887 - 170 = 6717) Hope this helps! Right, roger that. I simply took the advice the creator of ENB had commented in the .ini-file (RAM + VRAM - 2048), but I agree that it seems a bit odd. Anyway, playtesting suggest this solution works, so I'll mark your reply as solution. Thanks again! This has troubled me for some time now...
Swissenergy Posted June 1, 2015 Posted June 1, 2015 Glad to help, hope this will stop your horrid frame drops!
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