Niggabanana Posted April 30, 2015 Posted April 30, 2015 This happened after i installed some adult mods and tested them in-game had to do a backup save just in case. Everything works fine and played with it for at least 2 hours , lol!. Then after that I uninstalled the mods, reverted to the old loadup of mods and then BAM! i suddenly can't load my previous save, the one without the adult mods installed, as soon as i laod a game and the loading screen goes on Skyrim suddenly crashes after a few seconds of loading, But starting new game wouldn't cause a crash. I tried every methods i know and to no avail, i don't know how exactly this happened i bet it was when i uninstalled the adult mods. I used WryeBash for installing and un-installating of said mods. -I used TES5EDIT to check if theirs a mod that caused the error after uninstalling the adult mods, non detected. -Used Papyrus Wrapper / PDT Wrapper to check for forms and script abnormality. None all clean. -Used Savetool to check for orphan scripts, Broken and instances that are left during the un-installation of said mods and reverted back to normal mod loadup. None detected. -Repatched everything, bashed patched, Skuproc patchers to ensure all of the patches are updated and synced with the original loadup before installing the adult mods. -Replaced vanilla modified scripts of Skyrim with the original unmodified scripts, then re-installed SKSE to check for consistencies. -Re-installed skeletons and other mods that replaces character skeleton and animations. -Multiple LOOT sorting, I checked my Papryus log to see anything out of the ordinary and i see this error concerning some scripts. "[04/30/2015 - 08:25:23AM] Error: Property Initiate2Alias on script uskpretroactive204script attached to USKPRetroactive204 (02012C3A) cannot be bound because alias Initiate2Alias on quest DarkBrotherhood (0001EA5C) is not the right type [04/30/2015 - 08:25:23AM] Error: Property CiceroAlias on script uskpretroactive204script attached to USKPRetroactive204 (02012C3A) cannot be bound because alias CiceroEndGameAlias on quest DarkBrotherhood (0001EA5C) is not the right type" Looks like a script was removed due to the un-installation and was not detected by the programs i used earlier for fixing anything. I double-checked and re-installed USKP. re-installed USKP but still no effect, crashes continues after a few seconds in the loading screen after selecting a savegame to load. I don't know what to do now, it's been 5 hours of hopelessly fixing the game to no avail, reverting to vanilla looks like the last method there is. Here's a Load Order and Papyrus Log to see if their's something weird with it. LOOT : Skyrim.esm CRC: C665FD56 Update.esm CRC: 75967E61 C.Location, Delev, Invent, Relev Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp CRC: 45A699F Version: 2.0.8 C.Acoustic, C.Climate, C.Encounter, C.ImageSpace, C.Light, C.Location, C.LTemplate, C.Music, C.Name, C.Owner, C.Water, Delev, Graphics, Invent, Names, Relev, Sound, Stats Dawnguard.esm CRC: 58065992 C.Location, Delev, Graphics, Invent, Names, Sound Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp CRC: 978D216D Version: 2.0.8 C.Climate, C.Encounter, C.Location, C.Name, Delev, Graphics, Invent, Names, Sound, Stats HearthFires.esm CRC: E06FDE6A C.Location, Graphics, Invent Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp CRC: 6D0E4588 Version: 2.0.8 C.Climate, C.Location, C.Owner, Graphics, Invent, Names, Sound Dragonborn.esm CRC: 5CB90338 C.Location, Graphics, Invent, Names Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp CRC: 7BD54BF8 Version: 2.0.8 C.Climate, C.Encounter, C.Location, C.Music, C.Name, Delev, Graphics, Invent, Names, Sound, Stats Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm CRC: FE33A011 Falskaar.esm CRC: 7889C5B8 Version: 1.1.4 ApachiiHair.esm CRC: 783F7167 Version: 1.4 hdtHighHeel.esm CRC: 95D50087 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm CRC: AC4A653A ClimatesOfTamriel.esm CRC: 918881A7 Version: 3.1 Warning: Due to conflicts between Sounds of Skyrim - Civilization and ClimatesOfTamriel.esm it is recommended you use the appropriate compatibility patch found here. SGHairPackBase.esm CRC: 50A31397 SkyMoMod.esm CRC: A9576551 Delev, Relev TERAArmors.esm CRC: 21AC1D97 HighResTexturePack01.esp CRC: D596F02A HighResTexturePack02.esp CRC: D596F02A HighResTexturePack03.esp CRC: D596F02A Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp CRC: 7EBC542 Version: 1.1.9 Cutting Room Floor.esp CRC: 42023146 Version: 1.1.2 C.Climate, C.Location, C.Owner, C.RecordFlags, Delev, Graphics, Invent, Names, Stats Delphine Makeover.esp CRC: ED0A5060 TreaclemanFalskaarPatch.esp CRC: 60CAAE03 Convenient Horses.esp CRC: A2C92D5C Version: 14950 Note: Do not clean. "Dirty" edits are intentional and required for the mod to function. WetandCold.esp CRC: BEAB0A2F Version: 1.422 Character Creation Overhaul.esp CRC: A15636A6 AGTweaks - Extra Effects.esp CRC: D18AAA8C Resistance Restrictions Removed.esp CRC: 3AD7109B Purewaters.esp CRC: B60AD0B3 Version: 5.0 Falskaar Wildlife.esp CRC: A03CDC29 Wintermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp CRC: BA7A1F9 CCO - Dynamic Skill Progression.esp CRC: 11A2B7FD Chesko_WearableLantern.esp CRC: 1537EE33 blessarmors.esp CRC: 9B0A6A85 Auto Unequip Ammo.esp CRC: 4B399546 CoT-WeatherPatch.esp CRC: F7D0C971 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Weathers.esp CRC: 6933C020 Version: 4.0.8.02 CharacterMakingExtender.esp CRC: 91716407 ClimatesOfTamriel Falskaar.esp CRC: 4BCCD60C CCO - Oblivion Carry Weights.esp CRC: 3914E81E DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp CRC: 6747C29A Note: Make sure you have not switched DoF off in your ini file. If you don't see any effect, open you Skyrimprefs.ini and look for "bDoDepthOfField". Make sure it is set to 1. When Vampires Attack.esp CRC: FDE4336 Version: 2.0.1 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp CRC: 9FFF2A85 Version: 3.1 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp CRC: 6DEDE258 Version: 3.1 CCO - Diverse Races And Genders.esp CRC: 95609FCF Better Dynamic Snow.esp CRC: F3204EF1 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp CRC: 4AAE4CD8 EnhancedBlood-ImprovedCombatSounds.esp CRC: 38CB3EFE dD-DG-DB-MonsterMod EBT Patch.esp CRC: 60B480B dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp CRC: 6C2D97C4 ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-2.esp CRC: EEF1ED74 Version: 3.1 CoT-WeatherPatch_NL2.esp CRC: C8367E65 AMatterOfTime.esp CRC: 512CD10C Version: 2.00 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp CRC: 910FBBF3 Note: Ragdolls will conflict with other mods that change the skeleton.nif. Check Custom Skeleton Replacers for compatibly with other skeleton.nif. RealisticHumanoidMovementSpeed.esp CRC: 5B4AE07 EpisodeParallax.esp CRC: A5B27576 HDT System Tera BOOTS.esp CRC: B566F039 FireAndIceOverhaul.esp CRC: 49B8252B Grass On Steroids.esp CRC: 5CDAC522 Dead Body Collision.esp CRC: 8853B30B Headtracking.esp CRC: 2856EB9F CoT-WeatherPatch_DB.esp CRC: 856DA318 Purewaters-Falskaar.esp CRC: 6642343F SGHairPackAIO.esp CRC: B5571BE8 Height Adjusted Races with True Giants.esp CRC: F9184B91 Version: 6 Note: Use only one Height Adjusted Races*.esp. Height Adjusted Races - Dragonborn.esp CRC: D04A1C6D Version: 6 Note: Use only one Height Adjusted Races*.esp. EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp CRC: A1C64FA5 Height Adjusted Races - Dawnguard.esp CRC: ED813AB7 Version: 6 Note: Use only one Height Adjusted Races*.esp. Bounty Gold.esp CRC: ADA1EFAE Version: 1.0 iHUD.esp CRC: 6098B756 Insignificant Object Remover.esp CRC: 6E896F71 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - RLO.esp CRC: 8BC509D7 Note: Use only one Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One esp. SkyCompleteLegendary.esp CRC: CFAB1B9F Duel - Combat Realism.esp CRC: 8EE518DC CalienteVanillaArmorTweaks.esp CRC: C70F65 SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp CRC: 3A2624E4 Version: 3.0.esp Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp CRC: F1CD324B RichMerchants.esp CRC: E9C519B5 Relev SkyFalls DB + FS Small Waterfalls.esp CRC: B6AACC7F SkyFalls + SkyMills Falskaar.esp CRC: BBA604B9 SkyUI.esp CRC: 9330CAF7 Version: 4.1 Dual Sheath Redux.esp CRC: 49778E0B Note: Requires: Java Runtime Environment 7 update 17+ UnlimitedBookshelves.esp CRC: A870DB27 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp CRC: D6C72A3C Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp CRC: 9229A0B4 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp CRC: BDBD40DB SoS - Civilization.esp CRC: 5EF1D362 Version: 1.02 Note: Do not use the Crash Fix ESP for this mod. It is flagged as a master and is only meant as a last resort for fixing crashes. Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp CRC: 420E3ABA Version: 4.0.8.02 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp CRC: A188A269 Version: 4.0.8.02 Note: The order of 'Major City Interiors.esp' and 'Dawnguard Interiors.esp' is interchangeable. Here is a note from RLO author, Daemonui, about the differences you will see. RLO_Torches_Flicker.esp CRC: 98B0A258 torches for RL (happy medium).esp CRC: 9FDDC2E6 RealShelter.esp CRC: A053C735 SoS - Civilization-PatchCoT.esp CRC: A82D649E Note: Use only one Sounds of Skyrim - Civilization and CoT patch. SoS - The Dungeons.esp CRC: 79377267 Version: 1.23 Note: Do not use the Crash Fix ESP for this mod. It is flagged as a master and is only meant as a last resort for fixing crashes. DynamicMerchants.esp CRC: 1431BE7D ArchmageTolfdir.esp CRC: B1D82D4B BF.esp CRC: B0C1D34A Immersive Weapons.esp CRC: E41D31D Delev, Relev SBF All In One + DLC.esp CRC: 83724FAF RLO - Major City Exteriors - No Guard Torches.esp CRC: 3B83F5EA Version: 4.0.8.02 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp CRC: 2A9F7DED Version: 7.1 Delev, Relev Civil War Repairs.esp CRC: 28840D9 SoS - Civilization-PatchRLOMajorCityInteriors.esp CRC: D43E530C BulwarkRugFix.esp CRC: F1CC54CF Run For Your Lives.esp CRC: B7BAFE68 Version: 2.0.3 FNISspells.esp CRC: 4F3339DE SMIM-Merged-All.esp CRC: 46D0D2C0 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp CRC: 984EE262 Version: 4.0.7a Skyrim Shadow Striping Fix.esp CRC: 8669F9B1 Version: 2.1 SMIM-DungeonsCliffsIceSkirts.esp CRC: 4CD19713 Skyrim Better Roads - All In One - Merged.esp CRC: 8DA6BC8F Immersive Patrols II.esp CRC: 9A64E3F9 GCE Follower All In One.esp CRC: 89182473 SMIM-DragonbornTernFix.esp CRC: FBFBE09C SMIM-FarmhouseFlickeringFix.esp CRC: 92593BC1 SoS - Civilization-PatchRLOMinorCities.esp CRC: 9B0165EC SMIM-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp CRC: FA28D596 SMIM-ShackRoofFixes.esp CRC: 7938E7F0 DragonCombatOverhaulDragonborn.esp CRC: 143CDB7 Lanterns Of Skyrim - AIO - Dawnguard.esp CRC: C10FA967 BlackSacramentArmor.esp CRC: D43D432B WintermystPatcher.esp CRC: F057B870 Imaginator BETA.esp CRC: FB3A2B27 SMIM-ShackRoofFixesDragonborn.esp CRC: 36966A9C SoS - The Dungeons-PatchRLODungeons.esp CRC: 5202996 SoS - The Dungeons-PatchRLOMajorCityInteriors.esp CRC: D3902EBD SoS - The Dungeons-PatchRLODungeonLighting.esp CRC: B49C660D TERA Weapons.esp CRC: 2B1892C5 The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp CRC: 3F40CC78 Version: 1.8 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp CRC: FC447339 Version: 9 Thieves Guild Requirements.esp CRC: 8617DA3B UltimateDragons.esp CRC: 515F5591 WetandCold - Ashes.esp CRC: 1510365E Version: 1.09 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp CRC: EA95B2C5 Version: 3.0.1 C.Location Bashed Patch, 0.esp CRC: EBEC3D07 Version: 107 Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp CRC: 3C7926E9 Ignore the Warning message, it's a fluke or false report from the auto-sorting since i already installed patches for CoT and SoS Papyrus should be in the attached files. Thanks in-advance for those who would take a look at this. Update: Did a new game and everything is fine, load an old savegame ('bout 2 years old i think) and the game loads the save without any problems. Loaded another one (2 month old save 260Hours gameplay) and everything is fine. It's my new playthrough that causes the game to crash, last saved yesterday before going to bed. Papyrus.0.log Papyrus.1.log Papyrus.2.log Papyrus.3.log
MysticDaedra Posted April 30, 2015 Posted April 30, 2015 The problem is almost certainly scripts that have been baked-on to your save file. You can't just install a bunch of script-heavy mods, then uninstall them and expect everything to work. My advice would be to search on the Nexus for save file cleaners, and to make sure that the skse.ini file has the proper text in it to automatically clean unused scripts from future saves.
Niggabanana Posted April 30, 2015 Author Posted April 30, 2015 The problem is almost certainly scripts that have been baked-on to your save file. You can't just install a bunch of script-heavy mods, then uninstall them and expect everything to work. My advice would be to search on the Nexus for save file cleaners, and to make sure that the skse.ini file has the proper text in it to automatically clean unused scripts from future saves. Done that, i did use Savetool and PDTWrapper as invalid / orphan script detector and both of them reports that no orphan script, invalid instances and leftover forms are present in my previous save that doesn't have the adult mods installed.
Kargrin Posted April 30, 2015 Posted April 30, 2015 Ignore if youre already done that: Tried removing manually evry file related to the removed mods, then launching a new game, saving it, then trying reload the crashed save?
MrFlyte Posted April 30, 2015 Posted April 30, 2015 I recently ran into a somewhat similar issue. After updating a few mods, I also decided to clean up my LO a little....apparently one of the mods I had uninstalled made my game really unhappy...no idea why, but it didn't hurt me or my LO much at all to reinstall it, and sure enough, the game runs smoothly again. So, point is: In the process of installing the new mods, did you uninstall any other mods? Also with PDTWrapper any the likes, it even mentions you may need to run it a few times. But yeah, it definitely sounds to me that you got some scripts that are bleeding in your game, and they only bleed in the new save because it was only the new save that had the scripts installed on them before you cut them.
Niggabanana Posted April 30, 2015 Author Posted April 30, 2015 Ignore if youre already done that: Tried removing manually evry file related to the removed mods, then launching a new game, saving it, then trying reload the crashed save? Done this after got home from work, yeah didn't actually removed them manually, i did the painstaking install everything from the point of the error and uninstall each mod to see stuff, did create a new game, loaded the previous didn't work, third times a charm worked after an hour or two of fiddling with the previous mods. thanks for the tip anyways
Niggabanana Posted April 30, 2015 Author Posted April 30, 2015 I recently ran into a somewhat similar issue. After updating a few mods, I also decided to clean up my LO a little....apparently one of the mods I had uninstalled made my game really unhappy...no idea why, but it didn't hurt me or my LO much at all to reinstall it, and sure enough, the game runs smoothly again. So, point is: In the process of installing the new mods, did you uninstall any other mods? Also with PDTWrapper any the likes, it even mentions you may need to run it a few times. But yeah, it definitely sounds to me that you got some scripts that are bleeding in your game, and they only bleed in the new save because it was only the new save that had the scripts installed on them before you cut them. i've installed at least 10 adult mods most of which is just "Random things for sex" mods so yeah... it had a lot of script and it's really not for playing Skyrim in a "Normal" immersion to be exact. I've use PDTWrapper and savetool to the extend of advance users. Thanks for the suggestion
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