Craigslane Cavern CTD

[Forerunner414]

Hello LL!  Odd problem here:  CTD with the Skooma Dealer quest, Riften.  But not one I've heard of before:

 

My Imperial sneaky archer/strumpet Elise is tracking down the Skooma dealer in Riften and I find the note in the warehouse - next step is go to the Jarl and let her know.  Ok, awesome.

 

I talk to the Jarl, blah blah dialogue...then ctd in the middle of dialogue.  Ok, no problem, Skyrim does that.

 

Load it again...same thing...ctd in exact same spot.  Hmm...ok.  Let's do it again...

 

Aaaand ctd.  Again, same point in dialogue.  Ok, this isn't a random ctd.

 

 

Google told me a few command lines:

 

sqo FreeformRiften01 will let me know where in the quest chain I am...yep, still at 10, need to talk to the Jarl.  Ok, maybe the dialogue is borked for whatever reason.  Let's just force this quest along.

 

SetObjectiveCompleted FreeformRiften01 10 1.  Yep, that worked, now to set the next part of the quest with:

 

SetStage FreeformRiften01 20 - hmm, no, immediate, immediate ctd as I hit enter.  Hmm...again, Skryim likes to flake out, load up again...aaaand ctd exactly as I hit enter from that command.  Oookayy...let's actually GO to the damn cavern and see what's up.

 

So I make my way to Craigslane Cavern...but the area transition is blank.  Only a "To" pops up on my screen when I get close enough to the area transition.  Odd...I've never had this problem before.  I walk forward, only to be presented with a black loading screen.  It seems an area transition or perhaps the whole area got erased with one of the oddles of mods I have.  My question to you:

 

Using TSVEdit or CK, how can I see, exactly, what killed this?  I know I can back out my mods, one by one, and see what did this but good lord that will take foooorever.  Mod listing here:

 

 

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp

Dawnguard.esm

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp

HearthFires.esm

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp

Dragonborn.esm

Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp

Falskaar.esm

Wyrmstooth.esp

ApachiiHair.esm

ApachiiHairFemales.esm

ApachiiHairMales.esm

Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm

ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

hdtHighHeel.esm

Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm

SexLab.esm

SexLabAroused.esm

SGHairPackBase.esm

ZaZAnimationPack.esm

Devious Devices - Assets.esm
Devious Devices - Integration.esm
Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
daymoyl.esm
Inn Girls Resources.esm
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.esp
Brawl Bugs CE.esp
Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp
Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
Chesko_Frostfall.esp
AMatterOfTime.esp
ApachiiHelmetWigs.esp
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
DFB - Random Encounters.esp
Hunterborn.esp
LoversComfort.esp
LoversVictim.esp
MF_RadiantProstitution.esp
Place2Sleep.esp
PopulatedMerged.esp
SexLab Theft and Seduction.esp
SexLab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.esp
SexLabGuild.esp
SexLabMatchMaker.esp
SexLabSquirt.esp
SexLab_Hormones.esp
SexLabNudeCreatures.esp
SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp
SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp
SexLabDefeat.esp
SextremeMerged3.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp
High Level Enemies - SIC.esp
High Level Enemies - SIC Falskaar.esp
WetandCold.esp
WetandCold - Ashes.esp
WetandCold - Holidays.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPluginXPMSE.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
SkyUI.esp
AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp
Ballet Boots.esp
BobsBootsMerged.esp
Cloaks.esp
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
1nivWICCloaks.esp
1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp
Devious Devices - For the Masses II.esp
GattiBondage1.esp
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
Neo's Slave Leia.esp
NewmillerPiercings2.esp
NewmillerPiercings3.esp
SexyArmorMerge15.esp
Minou Bikini Trouble Conversion CBBE TBBP.esp
Shiny Catsuits.esp
Skyrim_Strap_Ons.esp
Svs Collection Jewelry.esp
TS_ECatsuit&Ballet.esp
ts_fetishpantyhoseoutfits.esp
TS_FetishWardrobe.esp
TS_FetishWardrobe_Uncut.esp
ts_rogueoutfits.esp
ts_slinkyleotard.esp
zarias_restraints.esp
HDT Havok Object.esp
Dragon Combat Overhaul.esp
TradeRoutes.esp
SkyRe_Main.esp
SkyRe_Merged.esp
SkyRe_SiC_Patch.esp
Falskaar SkyRe Faction Patch.esp
buildablehouse.esp
Captured Dreams.esp
Devious Deviants.esp
DeviousRegulations.esp
Gildergreen Regrown.esp
Inconsequential NPCs.esp

sanguinesDebauchery.esp
SDpatch - frostfall.esp
Babette.esp
Civil War Overhaul.esp
FireAndIceOverhaul.esp
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
ImmersiveFP.esp
Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp
SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
SexLab Romance.esp
SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp
dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp
dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp
Thieves Guild Requirements.esp
xazPrisonOverhaul.esp
zzEstrus.esp
EstrusChaurus.esp
aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp
WeaponsArmorFixes_ambSkyforge_Patch.esp
immersive roads.esp
RealisticRoomRental.esp
SoS - The Dungeons.esp
SoS - The Wilds.esp
SoS - Civilization.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
Supreme Storms - Cot Version.esp
CoT-WeatherPatch.esp
CoT-WeatherPatch_DB.esp
CoT-WeatherPatch_Snow-40.esp
CoT-WeatherPatch_SupStorms.esp
CoT-WeatherPatch_NL3.esp
SaturationBoost.esp
SoS - The Dungeons-PatchRLODungeons.esp
SoS - The Dungeons-PatchRLOMajorCityInteriors.esp
SoS - The Dungeons-PatchRLODungeonLighting.esp
SoS - The Wilds-PatchCoTSounds.esp
SoS - Civilization-PatchRLOMajorCityInteriors.esp
SoS - Civilization-PatchRLOMinorCities.esp
SoS - Civilization -PatchCoTSounds.esp
Better Vampires.esp
HentaiCreatures.esp
Sneak Tools.esp
Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp
Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp
SexLab Cumshot.esp
SGHairPackAIO.esp
TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp
3DNPC.esp
Farm Animals.esp
RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
Farm Animals - RND Support.esp
RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp
RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp
RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp
Hunterborn_RND-Patch.esp
RND_USKP-Patch.esp
SexLab RND.esp
SBFMerged.esp
FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp
SexLab_DibellaCult.esp
AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
Facelight.esp
RealShelter.esp
WATER.esp
WATER Plants.esp
WATER DG.esp
WATER DB Waves.esp
WATER Falskaar.esp
Aradia Devious Expansion.esp
SkyRe_Races.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
Pre ReProccer WAFR IA7 aMidianSS Patch.esp

ReProccer.esp

Post ReProccer Fixes IA7 aMidianSS Patch.esp

Deviously Cursed Loot.esp

DCL-FF patch.esp

CharmingHighHeels.esp

XiNafay - Shoes.esp

daymoyl_DawnguardAddon.esp

animal_mansion.esp

BTRH_Waifu.esp

WetEyesGagAlchCompWarmbodArousedAnim.esp

SSv2.esp

GagSFX.esp

GagSFXDawnguard.esp

GagSFXDragonborn.esp

GagSFXHearthfires.esp

Immersive Wenches.esp

Immersive Wenches RRR & RND -patches-.esp

Sexlab Sound FX Replacer.esp

RND_AnimalLoot.esp

Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp

ISCompendium Enhanced Blood Patch.esp

ISCompendium SkyRe Patch.esp

SMIM-Merged-All.esp

FNISSexyMove.esp

SexLabWerewolves.esp

STROParallax.esp

SexLab Vanilla Voices.esp

SkyFalls + SkyMills Falskaar.esp

SkyFalls DB + FS Small Waterfalls.esp

TradeRoutes-RNaD-Patch.esp

TradeRoutes-SKyRe-Patch.esp

display-model.esp

DD FtM - Cloaks WIC patch.esp

SOS - Shop.esp

CollegeDaysWinterhold.esp

sr_FillHerUp.esp

SexLabDangerousNights.esp

hydra_slavegirls.esp

DawnofSkyrim-AllMajorCities.esp

MoreNastyCritters.esp

DeviouslyHelpless.esp

Escape the Cell.esp

SlaveTats.esp

Apropos.esp

Cidhna Mine Expanded.esp

Devious Cidha.esp

AZS03SexLabHdtHighHeels.esp

BesEss.esp

SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp

soulgem-oven.esp

BeastessLair.esp

SD Cages.esp

SexLabSkoomaWhore.esp

Immersive Patrols II.esp

Deadly Wenches.esp

Sexlab Extra Voices.esp

NonSexLabAnimationPack.esp

SexLab_DibellaCult_Sisters.esp

SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp

SexLab_Dialogues.esp

 

 

 

Thanks!

[fizzybutt]

The easiest way to do it I can think of is going into each mod with tes5edit and seeing if it edits that area. It's got to be a dirty edit somewhere that accidentally deleted the cavern. Though I'll be damned if you'll actually be able to find it quickly.

 

*though quickest way may actually be to verify your files through steam... then install mods one by one until you find the culprit. (Hopefully you're using MO and can do it by just switching on and off mods and coc'ing to the area)

[Forerunner414]

Yeah, I loaded everything in TSVEdit but...going through every cell edit area for each mod?  Oh dear lord.  It doesn't help I've never actually known about this quest until last night when I tried it...so I have no idea what mod or how long this has been like this.

 

I was hoping for a "oh yeah, look for this refID" and I can narrow it down but it seems I'll be needle/haystacking this problem.  And I'm Using NMM so I can tick off stuff and see what broke it.

[fizzybutt]

Yeah, easiest way is going to be turning off all mods, starting with a new game and checking that area as you turn each group of mods on.

[guk]

In tes5edit you just load up your entire load order, then select "only show conflicting rows" (right click in the big window on the right) and compare any entries you want to check.

[fizzybutt]

Hell that's a whole lot easier.  I love learning new stuffs.

[Forerunner414]

Found it the old fashioned way, disabling mods until the offending one - animal_mansion.esp - was disabled and Craigslane Cavern loaded normally.  I have TS5Edit 3.0.32 Experimental up...but right clicking on the large window on the right gives me:

 

Undo

Cut

Copy

Paste

Delete

Select All

Right to left reading order

Show Unicode control characters

Insert Unicode control character

Close IME

Reconversion

 

Instead, I deleted the location data in there for Craigslane Cavern...no change.  Still only "To" shows up.  Gotta be in there somewhere...

[guk]

You need to select an item/object in the list to the left first.

 

Then right-click an editable line in the right window (not the header, that has other functions):

(actually it is called "hide no conflict rows")

 

Yeah this certainly makes spotting conflicts and creating patches easier

[Sailing Rebel]

Found it the old fashioned way, disabling mods until the offending one - animal_mansion.esp - was disabled and Craigslane Cavern loaded normally.  I have TS5Edit 3.0.32 Experimental up...but right clicking on the large window on the right gives me:

 

Undo

Cut

Copy

Paste

Delete

Select All

Right to left reading order

Show Unicode control characters

Insert Unicode control character

Close IME

Reconversion

 

Instead, I deleted the location data in there for Craigslane Cavern...no change.  Still only "To" shows up.  Gotta be in there somewhere...

 

The latest version of Animal Mansion fixes the Craigslane issue. You'll need to make a clean save before installing it.

[Forerunner414]

Turns out there wasn't any conflicts so TS5edit couldn't find anything...oh well, new version up so that's that!  Thanks everybody.