Sexout Intimacy

MRM18870 · December 15, 2016

And that's another thing I should mention. NPCs WILL react differently in private. For example: A prudish NPC that doesn't like your slutty outfit in public (hint hint), probably won't have any complaints once you get them alone (if compatible). So attraction IS a situational meter that is affected by the population as well.

Yeah I haven't had much luck romantically yet either. Though I only have about a dozen or so NPCs added so far. Needs more testing.

Would be nice to have some feedback from NPCs, otherwise it's hard to tell whether the reaction is a flaw or a feature. In your example maybe something like, I don't like how you run around in such skimpy clothes in public. However, the question would remain, what does a prudish NPC do in the Wrangler ...

What I have at the moment, ( started a new game ) I have some quite fast desire/lust increases with a few NPCs, but after one or 2 activities and one time sex/or almost sex ( nice ) - desire went down and never get up again. What could that be?

I'm trying to come up with some kind of cheat sheet now. Might be a minute, but eventually I would like to have all their stats + history information displayed through the settings dialog like some sort of character profile.

I get where you're coming from, but I'm not sure I can do that without some kind of dialog/thought bubble. I used prudish (NPCs that actually tell you they don't like it) as the extreme example of how privacy can even affect them. If they don't get on the PCs case for it, then they aren't prudish. But just because they don't find it offensive, doesn't mean they will think slutty is attractive.

So you're saying that NPCs which find the PCs appearance neither attractive, nor offensive should...?

Among some of the recent changes, I've lengthened the satisfaction meter after sex/certain dialogs (afterglow). Their desire will come back up when their satisfaction wears off. I can't remember if I put a 'clear' on it for the daily absence check, but if there isn't I'll put one in for the next copy.

Well, when it's neither attractive nor offensive, then it should not have an impact, and don't need to be mentioned. But maybe they could tell from time to time what they like and what they dislike. Just like you would figure out when you talk to someone in real life long enough . ( after they become familiar with you ) The slutty clothes I used for the Wrangler performance,Without feedback NPCs don't give me a reason to change them afterwards.

And the afterglow thing, well I had still problems after a few ingame days, and afterglow was not mentioned in the debug, that's why I assumed that this is not the problem, but I will have an eye on this, maybe I overlooked something.

Sagebrush61 · December 15, 2016

I think voyeur is kind of a tough one given the mechanics of the game. If someone's close enough to see a couple having sex it usually wont start, your partner will just [seek privacy]. Unless there is a way for a Voyeur NPC to mask themselves from detection by a prospective love partner it would never fire. And if the Voyeur also is a decency enforcer like Mean SOB the results could be comical (in a bruising sort of way). I guess Easy Pete will just have to be happy with his Young kink being satisfied. Compared to him the Courier fits that bill.

7KeysCurtain · December 15, 2016

T?, after Marriage the various partner related dialog options are gone, seems abit off.

@7Keys - thanks for the story, it gives me something to aspire to. I really like the UI I'm seeing in your screenshots of conversation. Mine doesn't look like that. Not jealous at all, no sirree.

Sure thing, the UI mods I'm using is DarnUI & IFO4HUD.

~~I'll be changing things up soon as I'm getting tired of default colors.~~ Done, pink to match my avatar, white also looks good as a neutral color.

Edited December 16, 2016 by 7KeysCurtain

*t3589* · December 16, 2016

I think voyeur is kind of a tough one given the mechanics of the game. If someone's close enough to see a couple having sex it usually wont start, your partner will just [seek privacy]. Unless there is a way for a Voyeur NPC to mask themselves from detection by a prospective love partner it would never fire. And if the Voyeur also is a decency enforcer like Mean SOB the results could be comical (in a bruising sort of way). I guess Easy Pete will just have to be happy with his Young kink being satisfied. Compared to him the Courier fits that bill.

I still have a basic behavior planned for them. I just haven't added it yet. Obviously having them peep through windows while the player is indoors is out of the question. I'll add a chance they'll pleasure themselves while stumbling upon sex eventually (morals evaluation behavior). I just haven't gotten around to it yet.

Privacy can be tricky sometimes. I've seen some NPCs that consider the stairwells at a bustling casino 'private enough'. There's no rule that says you have to accommodate their kinks though. I generally ignore kinks unless I'm testing them specifically. All they do right now is affect attraction.

I haven't really worked out what kind of behaviors can be applied to kinks other than the one above and maybe S&M unlocking zaz sex dialog in some way. But these sort of things usually reveal themselves in time. Mean SOB cracks me up. He shouldn't fuss if you get him alone. Granted I haven't tested creatures yet with all the new changes.

*t3589* · December 16, 2016

T?, after Marriage the various partner related dialog options are gone, seems abit off.

@7Keys - thanks for the story, it gives me something to aspire to. I really like the UI I'm seeing in your screenshots of conversation. Mine doesn't look like that. Not jealous at all, no sirree.

Sure thing, the UI mods I'm using is DarnUI & IFO4HUD.

Try the new one. Should be fixed now. The marriage dialog was still using the old method and incorrectly set her commit level to 1. My mistake, sorry. Feel free to correct it manually or use the new one before she asked (SOI:Rcd:CommitLvl should be 4).

7KeysCurtain · December 16, 2016

Try the new one. Should be fixed now. The marriage dialog was still using the old method and incorrectly set her commit level to 1. My mistake, sorry. Feel free to correct it manually or use the new one before she asked (SOI:Rcd:CommitLvl should be 4).

Thanks, is it normal to get a [Grope] dialog after agreeing to marriage and then a [Negative Response]?

Or should have [Positive Response] been shown after agreeing?

*t3589* · December 16, 2016

Try the new one. Should be fixed now. The marriage dialog was still using the old method and incorrectly set her commit level to 1. My mistake, sorry. Feel free to correct it manually or use the new one before she asked (SOI:Rcd:CommitLvl should be 4).

Thanks, is it normal to get a [Grope] dialog after agreeing to marriage and then a [Negative Response]?

Or should have [Positive Response] been shown after agreeing?

lol Nothing is wrong, she just isn't in the mood. I gave them a celebratory embrace/kiss/grope response instead of just 'positive response'. The make out option was already there, so it made sense to seal the deal with a kiss or some such.

'Not now dear, I've got doctoring stuff to do.'.

EDIT: I'll probably add a converse option there soon.

Edited December 16, 2016 by t3589

MRM18870 · December 16, 2016

Among some of the recent changes, I've lengthened the satisfaction meter after sex/certain dialogs (afterglow). Their desire will come back up when their satisfaction wears off. I can't remember if I put a 'clear' on it for the daily absence check, but if there isn't I'll put one in for the next copy.

I think it is something else. I had this for example with bettsy. When I first met her, so logs say something about 2 negatives and 7 positives. now its 9 negatives ans 1 positive. Clothes are the same. And when I ask for Issues there are none. Any idea?

*t3589* · December 16, 2016

Among some of the recent changes, I've lengthened the satisfaction meter after sex/certain dialogs (afterglow). Their desire will come back up when their satisfaction wears off. I can't remember if I put a 'clear' on it for the daily absence check, but if there isn't I'll put one in for the next copy.

I think it is something else. I had this for example with bettsy. When I first met her, so logs say something about 2 negatives and 7 positives. now its 9 negatives ans 1 positive. Clothes are the same. And when I ask for Issues there are none. Any idea?

The negative/positive gains you're seeing only apply to that pass. Both numbers are meaningless unless they are applied. For example: If there are no negative adjustments to be made, the negative number isn't even used. Same with positive. Both numbers are pulled from a range determined by their base.

No clue really. I'd need to see some debug or know how reproduce it. You could try these:

NX_GetEVFl "SOI:Mtr:Desire"
NX_GetEVFl "SOI:Mtr:AfterGlow"

The only other thing I can think of off the top of my head would be a conflict between her and other NPCs nearby. This can put a damper on advancement if they're bickering.

Also, I haven't forgotten and I'll be adding some more like/dislike clues to [Ask Personal] soon.

EDIT: Did she have any rejection maybe? I've added some more discovery dialog to [Ask Personal]. Now you should be able to find out what kind of apparel accentuation they like. Also if they are or aren't promiscuous, which is a major factor when it comes to how they process appearances.

I've also added a 'distasteful' debug line to appearance evaluation. This should indicate when they dislike some aspect of the player outfit. If you don't see that line, the NPC should be either indifferent or attracted.

Edited December 16, 2016 by t3589

Sagebrush61 · December 16, 2016

What kind of clothing settings would be appropriate for a Courier who is the Prim n' Proper type (at least in public), maybe a little bit naive or somewhat prudish? Pretty, classy maybe, or something else? I'm not so good at interpreting clothing signals unless they're as subtle as a sledgehammer to the head and I'm not sure on some things how the mod interprets them. Other than slutty which seems pretty obvious. When I set up clothes I look at them on my charcter and it's kind of, okay - that's showing some leg or quite a bit of cleavage or those tight blue jeans really emphasize the ass but beyond that I'm kind of a fish out of water.

*t3589* · December 16, 2016

What kind of clothing settings would be appropriate for a Courier who is the Prim n' Proper type (at least in public), maybe a little bit naive or somewhat prudish? Pretty, classy maybe, or something else? I'm not so good at interpreting clothing signals unless they're as subtle as a sledgehammer to the head and I'm not sure on some things how the mod interprets them. Other than slutty which seems pretty obvious. When I set up clothes I look at them on my charcter and it's kind of, okay - that's showing some leg or quite a bit of cleavage or those tight blue jeans really emphasize the ass but beyond that I'm kind of a fish out of water.

If that's how you set up clothes, then you do just like I do. There is no right or wrong clothing settings imo. If, like you said, I think they look one way or another I set them that way. I don't do any hand wringing whatsoever when it comes to how my PCs clothing is set though. In other words, it's not something I try too hard to 'get just right'.

The way I play I'm usually more focused on who I think my player likes, rather than who likes my player. So far in my current game, my PC has only worn an outfit that had any setting on it other than accentuation twice. Both times they were in private (slutty/sexy/classy).

Further, my PC has not once in this play through worn an outfit that had more than 2 accentuation flags on it at one time. So maybe it's a matter of what you're trying to accomplish? Is there a specific NPC that your PC likes that you're trying to get with?

Also what are your attributes? Are you trying to appeal to masculine types? Are any of your attributes on the feminine side? For example: My PCs strength is 4.

It may not be a matter of clothing appearance at all. You could check their attribute proclivities and see if your PCs stats line up.

NX_GetEVFl "SOI:Prc:Intelligence"
NX_GetEVFl "SOI:Prc:Charisma"
NX_GetEVFl "SOI:Prc:Strength"

None of the above should eliminate the possibility of a relationship though. You might just be having a streak of bad luck (bad random rolls in succession).

Sagebrush61 · December 16, 2016

Yeah I try to fit the clothes to the "personality" of my Courier. She hasn't been sucked in by the decadence of the strip yet. In terms of specific individuals she has a crush on Sunny Smiles. But Sunny didn't turn casual familiar until about 75 accumulated cycles. Courier reached level 17 and is living in the Lucky 38 now. She made the mistake of trying something slutty to see if Sunny might respond. She did, I noticed her desire dropped to - 35. Definitely not the response Courier was looking for. In terms of stats she has a Strength of 5 and a Charisma of 7. But that's without the meddling of Spunk's Lust tracking. Your stats go all over the place with that. I usually notice it when I'm walking along and suddenly become overencumbered. Check my effects and Courier has crippling lust with -2 strength, intelligence and agility. Never notice because the lust hud never displays for me, so I don't have any clue it's been "too long". So I thought I might try the Prim n' Proper look with Sunny and see if that helps. At least to get the chance for an activity.

*t3589* · December 16, 2016

Yeah I try to fit the clothes to the "personality" of my Courier. She hasn't been sucked in by the decadence of the strip yet. In terms of specific individuals she has a crush on Sunny Smiles. But Sunny didn't turn casual familiar until about 75 accumulated cycles. Courier reached level 17 and is living in the Lucky 38 now. She made the mistake of trying something slutty to see if Sunny might respond. She did, I noticed her desire dropped to - 35. Definitely not the response Courier was looking for. In terms of stats she has a Strength of 5 and a Charisma of 7. But that's without the meddling of Spunk's Lust tracking. Your stats go all over the place with that. I usually notice it when I'm walking along and suddenly become overencumbered. Check my effects and Courier has crippling lust with -2 strength, intelligence and agility. Never notice because the lust hud never displays for me, so I don't have any clue it's been "too long". So I thought I might try the Prim n' Proper look with Sunny and see if that helps. At least to get the chance for an activity.

She must have a high libido attribute. lol Yeah spunk 'encourages' you to satisfy the urge or else. My PCs char is only 4 because I get so many bonuses. My modified char sits at around 7-9. I also get char bonuses from the toilets mod for using bath beads and fancy shampoo (fresh scent effect), and from the PCs mood through IMCNNV (chipper/vivacious).

It's kind of like not wearing make-up imo. When all the effects wear off, NPCs see my PC for what she really is, a 4. lol

I use the any hud plugin with IMCNNV and SexoutIMCNNV. Works great and lust is right there with all my other meters (hunger/thirst/etc). The only problem I remember getting it to work was in the menu files. That and the hud begins off screen, so you have to hold in a hotkey and move it over to see it.

Is Sunny even compatible? If you can get them in any kind of positive mood (sexy/nice/flirty/etc) and they don't have any gripes, they should agree to an activity when asked. I've put some more debug in appearance eval in this new one. Should give more info on their internal assessment of the player. Let me know?

Sagebrush61 · December 16, 2016

She must have a high libido attribute. lol Yeah spunk 'encourages' you to satisfy the urge or else. My PCs char is only 4 because I get so many bonuses. My modified char sits at around 7-9. I also get char bonuses from the toilets mod for using bath beads and fancy shampoo (fresh scent effect), and from the PCs mood through IMCNNV.

It's kind of like not wearing make-up imo. When all the effects wear off, NPCs see my PC for what she really is, a 4. lol

I use the any hud plugin with IMCNNV and SexoutIMCNNV. Works great and lust is right there with all my other meters (hunger/thirst/etc). The only problem I remember getting it to work was in the menu files. That and the hud begins off screen, so you have to hold in a hotkey and move it over to see it.

Is Sunny even compatible? If you can get them in any kind of positive mood (sexy/nice/flirty/etc) and they don't have any gripes, they should agree to an activity when asked. I've put some more debug in appearance eval in this new one. Should give more info on their internal assessment of the player. Let me know?

That's a good tip, if the Hud starts off-screen that would explain why I never see it when I try to set it up, so I assume it's not working.

Yes Sunny is compatible, the problem I'm seeing with her and other casual's is that desire never rises to a point where you get an opportunity to suggest an activity. It's just [small talk] - [flirtatious] (or flattery or affection) - exits conversation. You run out of day before the NPC reaches a point where you can suggest an activity. If you drop back by in a couple of days their desire has reset to 0 or 2 or 4. Disposition seems to hold better, the characters who seem to like my PC retain most of their disposition the next time I see them, and eventually become [Familiar]. But they still don't reach the point where you can suggest an activity. This is mainly female [pc] to female [NPC] interactions. Males interacting with the female pc seem to reach a point where either you get the chance to suggest an activity or they flirt with you and you can [return] or [encourage] and if they respond [positive] you can suggest an activity. It's been about 3 playthroughs since any casual female flirted with my PC. Which is how she wound up dating Easy Pete. It could just be bad luck with random numbers since 7Keys obviously had a successful relationship.

I was just trying to find an outfit that would get someone interested enough that I could suggest an activity. It seems like once you start doing stuff with each other that a relationship will move forward, but I'm having a hard time finding any female who has enough interest to do an activity. Courier needs a pheromone perfume [Chanel # 69] to spark the libido's of nearby casual females.

edit: just noticed the comment about appearance debug, I'll see if that tells me anything.

*t3589* · December 16, 2016

She must have a high libido attribute. lol Yeah spunk 'encourages' you to satisfy the urge or else. My PCs char is only 4 because I get so many bonuses. My modified char sits at around 7-9. I also get char bonuses from the toilets mod for using bath beads and fancy shampoo (fresh scent effect), and from the PCs mood through IMCNNV.

It's kind of like not wearing make-up imo. When all the effects wear off, NPCs see my PC for what she really is, a 4. lol

I use the any hud plugin with IMCNNV and SexoutIMCNNV. Works great and lust is right there with all my other meters (hunger/thirst/etc). The only problem I remember getting it to work was in the menu files. That and the hud begins off screen, so you have to hold in a hotkey and move it over to see it.

Is Sunny even compatible? If you can get them in any kind of positive mood (sexy/nice/flirty/etc) and they don't have any gripes, they should agree to an activity when asked. I've put some more debug in appearance eval in this new one. Should give more info on their internal assessment of the player. Let me know?

That's a good tip, if the Hud starts off-screen that would explain why I never see it when I try to set it up, so I assume it's not working.

Yes Sunny is compatible, the problem I'm seeing with her and other casual's is that desire never rises to a point where you get an opportunity to suggest an activity. It's just [small talk] - [flirtatious] (or flattery or affection) - exits conversation. You run out of day before the NPC reaches a point where you can suggest an activity. If you drop back by in a couple of days their desire has reset to 0 or 2 or 4. Disposition seems to hold better, the characters who seem to like my PC retain most of their disposition the next time I see them, and eventually become [Familiar]. But they still don't reach the point where you can suggest an activity. This is mainly female [pc] to female [NPC] interactions. Males interacting with the female pc seem to reach a point where either you get the chance to suggest an activity or they flirt with you and you can [return] or [encourage] and if they respond [positive] you can suggest an activity. It's been about 3 playthroughs since any casual female flirted with my PC. Which is how she wound up dating Easy Pete. It could just be bad luck with random numbers since 7Keys obviously had a successful relationship.

I was just trying to find an outfit that would get someone interested enough that I could suggest an activity. It seems like once you start doing stuff with each other that a relationship will move forward, but I'm having a hard time finding any female who has enough interest to do an activity. Courier needs a pheromone perfume [Chanel # 69] to spark the libido's of nearby casual females.

edit: just noticed the comment about appearance debug, I'll see if that tells me anything.

Mine starts hidden off screen to the right on a fresh game. I think 'h' was the hotkey maybe, then the arrows or numpad arrows not sure? It says in the IMCNNV documentation somewhere I think.

What's her gender behavior (SOI:Bhv:Gender)? Also, non-promiscuous feminine will rarely initiate sex, but should still flirt. Though if they have other behaviors to perform they'll probably put flirting down the list further than masculine or creatures.

Does her desire jump then decrease before it gets full a lot? As if you think you're making headway, but then it gets dialed back? If so I think I know what her problem is. It's because she has a very high threshold attribute of some kind.

All desire gains outside of kinks are subject to the NPCs libido. Therefore if she has a high libido, she will struggle to acquire desire for the simple reason that she is not very sexually driven (nothing to do with the PC in particular). I don't remember from the debug, but I bet 7Keys Doctor Lady has a lower libido.

EDIT: You should be able to overcome this though, by accommodating just the right number of preferences. So you're on the right track with that. She will probably need a lot of 'dialog driven' encouragement when it comes to desire too (I don't mean the encourage option btw).

Edited December 16, 2016 by t3589

Sagebrush61 · December 17, 2016

Took a while to get back to Goodsprings. I was in the middle of Vault 11 collecting vaultsuits for Sarah Sarah Weintraub when I updated the mod. Watched a nice little Vaultboy movie and as soon as I left the Vault I was attacked by some idiots in funny armor shouting something about "Retribution" and Kaiser Wilhelm :-/ Nice loot though.

None of the females I've interacted with have ever come close to filling up desire. Caravaneer at Mojave Outpost was the highest at about 45. The biggest jumps I've seen are about 6 points of desire for a [Flirtatious] or [Flattery] response to my [small talk]. Sunny at one time was up to about 16 so I thought I was making progress, seemed to jump about 4 points at a time. I went back to Goodsprings, put on a slutty outfit that emphasizes everything, got a [Flattery] and her desire was -1. Then I got a [flirtatious] response and it had dropped to -4 so she doesn't seem to be liking the slutty look. Didn't see anything in the appearance eval that showed why. When Courier wore a Pretty Dress with [legs!] for Easy Pete his desire increased by about 16 points from a flirtatious response, so the females I'm chatting with must all be libido challenged. Is it possible that stopping to see Sunny every 2 or 3 days is too often and she's getting annoyed at the attention? Forgot to check Prc values on Sunny, I'll do that and check her gender behavior as well as try out some different outfits and see if anything clicks.

Lust hud just doesn't work for me, when I check the box in Spunk MCM to configure it - nothing happens, it just stays at the MCM menu. When I check the box to configure the Arousal Hud it works, takes me into game and lets me move it around, so there's something wrong there. I don't have any Hud mods ( yet) so I don't know what could be interfering with just the Lust hud. I'll try installing the anyhud esp and see if that makes a different.

*t3589* · December 17, 2016

Took a while to get back to Goodsprings. I was in the middle of Vault 11 collecting vaultsuits for Sarah Sarah Weintraub when I updated the mod. Watched a nice little Vaultboy movie and as soon as I left the Vault I was attacked by some idiots in funny armor shouting something about "Retribution" and Kaiser Wilhelm Nice loot though.

None of the females I've interacted with have ever come close to filling up desire. Caravaneer at Mojave Outpost was the highest at about 45. The biggest jumps I've seen are about 6 points of desire for a [Flirtatious] or [Flattery] response to my [small talk]. Sunny at one time was up to about 16 so I thought I was making progress, seemed to jump about 4 points at a time. I went back to Goodsprings, put on a slutty outfit that emphasizes everything, got a [Flattery] and her desire was -1. Then I got a [flirtatious] response and it had dropped to -4 so she doesn't seem to be liking the slutty look. Didn't see anything in the appearance eval that showed why. When Courier wore a Pretty Dress with [legs!] for Easy Pete his desire increased by about 16 points from a flirtatious response, so the females I'm chatting with must all be libido challenged. Is it possible that stopping to see Sunny every 2 or 3 days is too often and she's getting annoyed at the attention? Forgot to check Prc values on Sunny, I'll do that and check her gender behavior as well as try out some different outfits and see if anything clicks.

Lust hud just doesn't work for me, when I check the box in Spunk MCM to configure it - nothing happens, it just stays at the MCM menu. When I check the box to configure the Arousal Hud it works, takes me into game and lets me move it around, so there's something wrong there. I don't have any Hud mods ( yet) so I don't know what could be interfering with just the Lust hud. I'll try installing the anyhud esp and see if that makes a different.

You need any hud, IMCNNV, and SexoutIMCNNV to use the one I'm using. I don't check any boxes for the hud in spunk. Do you mean the hud during sex? Maybe we're talking about two different things (lust is the second meter in my IMCNNV hud, 'LST:').

Yeah I would check their libido (SOI:Atr:Libido). If you can find a low one that isn't advancing, then maybe it's something else. It's possible all your NPCs just rolled 'cold fish' libidos. You could also try setting Sunnys libido down a bit manually and see if anything changes.

You shouldn't need to check the attribute proclivities anymore. There's debug for them in appearance eval already (girly/manly/intellectual/dumb/smart/ugly/charismatic).

Sagebrush61 · December 17, 2016

I think I've solved the mystery of Sunny Smiles. Her Prc's are Int. 2.0, Stren 7.0 and Charisma 10.0, My Pc is just too smart for her, Int. 6, Charisma 7 and strength of 5. She would have loved my last Courier - a world class beauty who was dumb as a brick from being shot in the head. Maybe if Courier gets really drunk and huffs some buffout and Psycho they will hit it off. But I'll probably look for someone who appreciates what my Courier actually has to offer. If Sunny doesn't like her when her makeups off, tough cookies :angry:

Lust hud- in the Spunk MCM under Lust Tracking there are a long list of options, there is a box you check when you want to configure the lust hud (change its position, font size, etc.) When you check that box it's supposed to take you into the game and gives you controls to move the hud around. But it doesn't do anything, you never leave the MCM menu. Under the Arousal tracking MCM there is a similar checkbox which takes you into game and lets you move the arousal bars (which usually only show up during sex) around. The arousal one works, the lust one doesn't. I'll try searching the Spunk Thread and see if I can pick up any clues as to what I'm doing wrong.

*t3589* · December 17, 2016

I think I've solved the mystery of Sunny Smiles. Her Prc's are Int. 2.0, Stren 7.0 and Charisma 10.0, My Pc is just too smart for her, Int. 6, Charisma 7 and strength of 5. She would have loved my last Courier - a world class beauty who was dumb as a brick from being shot in the head. Maybe if Courier gets really drunk and huffs some buffout and Psycho they will hit it off. But I'll probably look for someone who appreciates what my Courier actually has to offer. If Sunny doesn't like her when her makeups off, tough cookies

Lust hud- in the Spunk MCM under Lust Tracking there are a long list of options, there is a box you check when you want to configure the lust hud (change its position, font size, etc.) When you check that box it's supposed to take you into the game and gives you controls to move the hud around. But it doesn't do anything, you never leave the MCM menu. Under the Arousal tracking MCM there is a similar checkbox which takes you into game and lets you move the arousal bars (which usually only show up during sex) around. The arousal one works, the lust one doesn't. I'll try searching the Spunk Thread and see if I can pick up any clues as to what I'm doing wrong.

Yeah I don't use the lust hud from spunk. I use the one above for IMCNNV with lust worked in via 'any hud' and SexoutIMCNNV. Though I do use the arousal hud from spunk during sex.

What you're saying depends on her gender behavior setting for str/intel. You're kind of screwed on charisma though. Which brings up a fair point. I have the charisma proclivity set to include a possible 'unrealistic expectation of beauty' (which she has debatably rolled). If I remove that, she probably wouldn't have rolled it so high (this one goes to eleven). What do you think?

Note that none of those settings, even if they don't line up should technically eliminate a possible relationship. Just makes it more difficult/work.

Sagebrush61 · December 17, 2016

Yeah I don't use the lust hud from spunk. I use the one above for IMCNNV with lust worked in via 'any hud' and SexoutIMCNNV. Though I do use the arousal hud from spunk during sex.

What you're saying depends on her gender behavior setting for str/intel. You're kind of screwed on charisma though. Which brings up a fair point. I have the charisma proclivity set to include a possible 'unrealistic expectation of beauty' (which she has debatably rolled). If I remove that, she probably wouldn't have rolled it so high (this one goes to eleven). What do you think?

Note that none of those settings, even if they don't line up should technically eliminate a possible relationship. Just makes it more difficult/work.

I'm kind of torn, I've seen a lot of women who I feel had unrealistic expectations for a lot of things, so it's not unlike the "real" world. On the other hand, someone who has been shot in the head, buried and regularly gets shot, cut, beat up chewed on and stung by Radscorpions and hasn't bathed in a week and still manages a 7 out of ten aint too shabby. I suppose I could advance another six levels and put 3 more level up perk points into Charisma if I really want to pursue Sunny. You can't actually get to 11 Charisma can you? I thought it capped at 10 even if you have charisma enhancing items that would push you over. Maybe an NPC with unreasonable expectations isn't a bad Idea. However, without the console I would never have known that the problem was that PC is too smart, too weak and so not pretty enough.

I re-installed Spunk. Didn't help. Then I toggled the Choice between Spunks Own to Patch or Nothing. Didn't help. Then I toggled it back to Spunks Own Hud, and lo and behold, it went to the configure screen and now I have a lust hud. Go figure!

7KeysCurtain · December 17, 2016

T, Is it meant to be possible for these to fluctuate?

Later on...

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Sage, sounds like the two of you weren't meant for each other.

Opposites attract? not always, eh.

Edited December 17, 2016 by 7KeysCurtain

Sagebrush61 · December 17, 2016

I just had a Eureka moment. I turned on the NPC debug in addition to the general debug. Bangs head repeatedly on computer desk. There is a whole lot more helpful information in the console now. Looks like the only things Sunny likes about Courier is she's calm, single and identified. So 7Keys you may be right. They're not meant for each other this time. Maybe next lifetime. Ringo on the other hand thinks she's Manly!. That really shoots down her self-image as a kind of Pretty girl next door type. Also makes her wonder about Ringo's gender identity if he likes manly people

*t3589* · December 17, 2016

Yeah I don't use the lust hud from spunk. I use the one above for IMCNNV with lust worked in via 'any hud' and SexoutIMCNNV. Though I do use the arousal hud from spunk during sex.

What you're saying depends on her gender behavior setting for str/intel. You're kind of screwed on charisma though. Which brings up a fair point. I have the charisma proclivity set to include a possible 'unrealistic expectation of beauty' (which she has debatably rolled). If I remove that, she probably wouldn't have rolled it so high (this one goes to eleven). What do you think?

Note that none of those settings, even if they don't line up should technically eliminate a possible relationship. Just makes it more difficult/work.

I'm kind of torn, I've seen a lot of women who I feel had unrealistic expectations for a lot of things, so it's not unlike the "real" world. On the other hand, someone who has been shot in the head, buried and regularly gets shot, cut, beat up chewed on and stung by Radscorpions and hasn't bathed in a week and still manages a 7 out of ten aint too shabby. I suppose I could advance another six levels and put 3 more level up perk points into Charisma if I really want to pursue Sunny. You can't actually get to 11 Charisma can you? I thought it capped at 10 even if you have charisma enhancing items that would push you over. Maybe an NPC with unreasonable expectations isn't a bad Idea. However, without the console I would never have known that the problem was that PC is too smart, too weak and so not pretty enough.

I re-installed Spunk. Didn't help. Then I toggled the Choice between Spunks Own to Patch or Nothing. Didn't help. Then I toggled it back to Spunks Own Hud, and lo and behold, it went to the configure screen and now I have a lust hud. Go figure!

lol Classic comment about women. That's too rich.

I just had a Eureka moment. I turned on the NPC debug in addition to the general debug. Bangs head repeatedly on computer desk. There is a whole lot more helpful information in the console now. Looks like the only things Sunny likes about Courier is she's calm, single and identified. So 7Keys you may be right. They're not meant for each other this time. Maybe next lifetime. Ringo on the other hand thinks she's Manly!. That really shoots down her self-image as a kind of Pretty girl next door type. Also makes her wonder about Ringo's gender identity if he likes manly people

Calm/single come from self evaluation. You're looking for fnSOIApprncEval debug lines. If Sunny is masculine, she'll most likely want str/intel to match or be lower than her prefs. If feminine, the opposite. What is her gender behavior setting? What is her libido?

Personally I think 10 is unrealistic. I think the adjusted charisma can 'read' higher than 10, but I think you're right in that you don't get any credit for anything over. My eleven comment was more of a Spinal Tap reference, but that's what I meant. If they roll an eleven, it's more or less impossible, and therefore 'unrealistic'.

*t3589* · December 17, 2016

T, Is it meant to be possible for these to fluctuate?

Later on...

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Sage, sounds like the two of you weren't meant for each other.

Opposites attract? not always, eh.

Hmmm, shouldn't. It only resets if any one of them is below 2, then it will grab a new set. Do you have SOI:Prc:Manual set on them maybe?

EDIT: Hey that reminds me. I'm going to leave that setting in, but you don't really need it for the purpose you wanted it for in the first place anymore. Now that sex prefs are separate, and body prefs are permanent/static. Plus I've just uploaded a new one with preset accounting for those settings. Meaning you can set them before the NPC is added and they should stick permanently (chest/ass/legs).

Edited December 17, 2016 by t3589

7KeysCurtain · December 17, 2016

Hmmm, shouldn't. It only resets if any one of them is below 2, then it will grab a new set. Do you have SOI:Prc:Manual set on them maybe?

EDIT: Hey that reminds me. I'm going to leave that setting in, but you don't really need it for the purpose you wanted it for in the first place anymore. Now that sex prefs are separate, and body prefs are permanent/static. Plus I've just uploaded a new one with preset accounting for those settings. Meaning you can set them before the NPC is added and they should stick permanently (chest/ass/legs).

Assumed no but after checking yes, turns out I made a includedoc.txt for bat console command.

;Set Orientation

;; One of these.

NX_SetEVFl "SOI:Ornt:Bisexual" 1

;; One of these.

NX_SetEVFl "SOI:Ornt:Gender" 1 ;Feminine

;; One of these.

NX_SetEVFl "SOI:Ornt:Bhv" 1 ;Feminine

;Set Attributes

;; All some or none.

NX_SetEVFl "SOI:Atr:CommitLmt" 4

;Set Proclivities

;; All some or none.

NX_SetEVFl "SOI:Prc:Anal" 0

NX_SetEVFl "SOI:Prc:Genital" 1

NX_SetEVFl "SOI:Prc:Oral" 1

NX_SetEVFl "SOI:Prc:Rough" 0

NX_SetEVFl "SOI:Prc:Solo" 1

;; Make proclivities sticky.

;; Manual Management REQUIRED!

NX_SetEVFl "SOI:Prc:Manual" 1

NX_SetEVFl "SOI:Prc:Promiscuity" 1

;Set Included

;; Clear reserved if set.

NX_ClrEVFl "SOI:Sys:Reserved" 2

;; Setting this will add them.

NX_SetEVFl "SOI:Sys:Include" 1

That reminds me to ask if the template on post #2 is outdated in anyway / or missing things added in newest updates?

In regards to your Edit, Is it bad in anyway to use Prc:Manual for now on?

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