Nathriel Posted May 30, 2014 Posted May 30, 2014 Alright... Most of the time, I try to figure out how to solve my own issues, but I'm at my wits end here. Although from experience, it still could very likely be that I am just missing something fundamental. Anyway, the problem I am having is that I am getting a CTD as soon as I hit the menu screen. I know that this is a very common issue that is caused 99% of the times by the load order. I didn't saw anything wrong in Mod Organizer and when I looked at my load order in Wrye Smash, but couldn't find anything in there that was colored red, which means I don't have anything in there that is missing masters. I do have a few that are colored orange, but as far as I know that just means it's masters are not in the exact order they want, but I've never had an issue with that. I also use LOOT to sort my loadorder and when I looked at the resulting log it produces, I saw only 1 error, which was a note saying that SkyRe Races is not compatible with Enhanced Edit, but I've been able to run the game with both before and on the Enhanced Edit mod page it says that things like SkyRe Races won't actually cause any issues. The next step I took was launching TES5Edit and let it load everything. From what I understand, if you are having a Crash at Startup issue, this should get stuck at the point that causes the issue. Strangely enough, it loads it all just fine. No problems at all. At this point, I am kind of scratching my head. If it's a loadorder issue as Crash at Startup usually is, why is none of the above giving me any indication of that? It could be I am forgetting something critical, so if anyone can help me out here, I'd appreciate it. Here's my load order from Wrye Smash: 00 Skyrim.esm 01 Update.esm 02 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp [Version 2.0.4a] 03 Dawnguard.esm 04 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp [Version 2.0.4] 05 Dragonborn.esm 06 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp [Version 2.0.4] 07 Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm 08 Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm 09 ApachiiHairMales.esm 0A ZaZAnimationPack.esm 0B SexLab.esm [Version 1.57] 0C HentaiPregnancy.esm 0D SharedSeranaDialogue.esm 0E Devious Devices - Assets.esm [Version 2.7.5] 0F ApachiiHairFemales.esm 10 SexLabAroused.esm 11 ApachiiHair.esm 12 RaceCompatibility.esm 13 SPIKE.esm 14 PrivateNeedsNew.esp 15 Devious Devices - Integration.esm 16 Devious Devices - Expansion.esm 17 TERAArmors.esm 18 actorEvents.esm 19 hdtHighHeel.esm 1A HeartbeatRemover.esp 1B Immersive NPC in the dark.esp 1C Skyrim_Strap_Ons.esp 1D fFastTravelSpeedMult_4.esp [Version 1.0] 1E Run For Your Lives.esp [Version 1.2.3] 1F DagiEars_HircineHorns.esp 20 chfshPlayerVoicesets.esp 21 Auto Unequip Ammo.esp 22 Kaw's Cat Disguise.esp 23 SexLabSquirt.esp 24 BFSEffects.esp 25 AHZmoreHUD.esp [Version 1.3.2] 26 AzarHairPonyTail 03 - Havok.esp 27 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp 28 Ket_PictureLoadscreens.esp 29 Proper Aiming.esp 2A CharacterMakingExtender.esp 2B Basvanbeu MuscleTextureChanger with Navetsea set.esp 2C NoCombatMusic.esp 2D 83Willows_101BUGS_V4_LowRes.esp 2E AMatterOfTime.esp [Version 1.00] 2F Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dawnguard.esp 30 VLCollisionFix.esp 31 Devious Devices - For the Masses II.esp 32 SMEssentialPlayer.esp 33 StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp 34 Book Covers Dragonborn.esp 35 DD - Interactions.esp 36 SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp 37 BVFE_Serana.esp 38 Apropos.esp 39 SexLab Submit.esp 3A ScarletDawnArmor.esp 3B DeadlyDragonsArmory.esp 3C Devious Cidhna.esp 3D DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp 3E Footprints.esp 3F Footprints - Ash.esp 40 GagSFX.esp 41 GagSFXDawnguard.esp 42 HelmetToggle2.02b.esp 43 ImmersiveFP.esp 44 Lock Overhaul.esp 45 RaceMenu.esp 46 mm_BeluaSanguinareRevisitedDGCompatibility.esp 47 MidnightBreed.esp 48 NonEssentialChildren.esp 49 HPSoulGemBirth.esp 4A StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp 4B SexLab Cumshot.esp [Version 1.5.1] 4C OpenFaceGuardHelmets.esp 4D SameWalkRunSpeedsLite.esp 4E Player Size Adjuster.esp 4F Ket_3DLoadscreens.esp 50 SeeYouSleepByMadmole.esp 51 SED7-CBBE3-Allin1-EDITION Merged.esp 52 RaceMenuPlugin.esp 53 Remodeled Armor - Underwear.esp 54 SlaveHeelsForHDTHighheelSystem.esp 55 PrivateNeedsNew-DD.esp 56 SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp 57 SexLab RND.esp 58 SexLabDefeat.esp 59 SexLab Submit Serana.esp 5A SexLabMatchMaker.esp [Version 5] 5B SexLabNudeCreatures.esp 5C SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp 5D SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp 5E No NPC Greetings.esp 5F SkyUI.esp 60 DVA - Dynamic Vampire Appearance.esp 61 TradeBarter.esp 62 Dual Sheath Redux.esp 63 Customizable Camera.esp 64 LoversComfort.esp 65 Appropriately Attired Jarls Redux.esp 66 SplashofRain.esp 67 The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp 68 Traps Make Noise.esp 69 Unique Region Names.esp [Version 5] 6A RealisticRoomRental.esp 6B RRR_Dragonborn-Patch.esp 6C SkyRe_Main.esp 6D AOS.esp 6E Bound Armory.esp 6F Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp 70 Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp 71 CalienteVanillaArmorTweaks.esp 72 Daedric Mage Armor.esp 73 Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dragonborn.esp 74 Tribunal Robes by Zairaam.esp 75 Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp [Version 2.3] 76 3DNPC.esp 77 Better Dynamic Snow.esp 78 Prometheus_NSUTR BDS Patch.esp [Version 2.3] 79 SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp 7A SkyFalls Dragonborn Small waterfalls.esp 7B RealisticWaterTwo.esp 7C Book Covers Skyrim.esp 7D rcrnShaders.esp 7E ESFCompanions.esp [Version 0.3.5] 7F Immersive Weapons.esp 80 SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp 81 RCRNdgdb.esp 82 Unique Region Names - Dragonborn.esp [Version 1.1] 83 LearnAlchemyFromRecipes.esp 84 BetterDarkBrotherhood.esp 85 DiversePriests.esp 86 Merchants Reply Only With Take A Look.esp 87 ReadAndLearnSpeechcraft.esp 88 RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp 89 Ring of Namira - Killing Spree.esp 8A TTYM - Think to Yourself Messages.esp 8B RND_USKP-Patch.esp 8C SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp 8D WetandCold.esp 8E WetandCold - Holidays.esp 8F ArcheryDummyXP.esp 90 EB-Gender.esp 91 Convenient Horses.esp 92 ImmersiveSpells.esp 93 ImmersiveSpells-NoDlcDawnDragComp.esp 94 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp 95 Bucklers-Complete.esp 96 Captured Dreams.esp 97 OBIS.esp 98 TERAArmors - Leveled Lists.esp 99 DeviouslyHelpless.esp 9A OBISDB.esp 9B Civil War Overhaul.esp 9C DeadlyDragons.esp 9D Dead Body Collision.esp 9E Devious Devices - Males Addon.esp 9F CD - Skyrim Strapon addon.esp A0 throneroom.esp A1 Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp A2 Book Covers Dawnguard.esp A3 Marriable Serana.esp [Version 1.6.2] A4 SexLab Solutions.esp A5 SexWithThieves.esp A6 hydra_slavegirls.esp A7 RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp A8 RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp A9 Inconsequential NPCs.esp AA Cloaks.esp AB 1nivWICCloaks.esp [Version 2.3] AC StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp AD 1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp [Version 2.3] AE DD FtM - Cloaks patch.esp AF Devious Deviants.esp B0 Spousetocustomhome.esp B1 A Simple Marriage Mod.esp B2 RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp B3 WetandCold - Ashes.esp B4 aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp B5 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp B6 dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp B7 daedric_phelm.esp B8 nem-e5i5's RaceMenuPlugin.esp B9 iHUD.esp BA mm_BeluaSanguinareRevisitedDialogueFixes.esp BB mm_BeluaSanguinareRevisitedLootTables.esp BC mslDeviousCaptures.esp BD sextoys-calyps-2.esp BE CD - Calyps Sextoys addon.esp BF slaverun.esp C0 Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp C1 Enhanced Soul Trap.esp C2 EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp C3 Long lost smelters by Hyralux.esp C4 DeviousRegulations.esp C5 TCOSS.esp C6 Populated Lands Roads Paths.esp C7 Populated Cities Towns Villages.esp C8 sr_ifpssl.esp C9 vAutosaveManager.esp CA xazPrisonOverhaul.esp CB Bandit Patrols.esp CC DnnUniqueBorderGates.esp CD SkyRe_StandingStones.esp CE mm_BeluaSanguinareRevisitedRefuge.esp CF SkyRe_Races.esp D0 Vampirelordroyal.esp D1 When Vampires Attack.esp [Version 1.1] D2 RacialXPandSkillBonus.esp D3 Drinking Fountains of Skyrim.esp D4 SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp D5 SexLab-Stories.esp D6 ArachnaphobiaExpansion.esp D7 AngrimApprentice.esp D8 Darklilith.esp D9 RND_DrinkingFountains-Patch.esp DA Predator Vision.esp DB OhmesRaht.esp DC SpousesEnhanced.esp DD NoxUE2.00.esp DE SpousesEnhanced_Serana.esp DF USKP Patcher for RaceCompatibility.esp E0 mm_BeluaSanguinareRevisitedVampireRace.esp E1 Sneak Tools.esp E2 Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp E3 Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp E4 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp [Version 1.2.5] E5 HorsePenis.esp E6 BlockSparkles.esp E7 Equipping Overhaul.esp E8 MF_RadiantProstitution.esp E9 SeranaSecret.esp EA SexLab-StoriesDevious.esp EB SkyRe_Combat.esp EC BorderSense.esp ED MM_BeluaSangunaireRevisited.esp EE General Patch.esp EF Mannequin_Female_Vyctoria.esp F0 RCRNvolumetric.esp F1 dovahkiinrelax.esp F2 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp [Version 2.3.7] F3 Alternate Start - Live A Deviant Life.esp F4 Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Texture 2.esp F5 Bashed Patch, 0.esp F6 Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Dragonborn.esp F7 warburg's 3d paper world map - dawnguard.esp F8 ASIS-Dependency.esp F9 ASIS.esp FA ReProccer.esp FB Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp I'm ommitting posting my papyrus log, because I don't think that has anything to do with this. If I am wrong in that assumption or if there's any other information I would be able to provide, feel free to point that out and I'll do so.
wildtangent Posted May 30, 2014 Posted May 30, 2014 Not sure because I don't use these 2 mods, but is Sex Lab RND suppose to be below Realistic Needs? If it is that is out of order. Going to look through again and see what else i might be able to find. EDIT: Again I don't use this mod, but you do have quite a few Belua Sanguinare Revisited patches and, others above the BeluaSanguinareRevisited.esp.
Nathriel Posted May 31, 2014 Author Posted May 31, 2014 Sadly, that doesn't seem to be any issue. Usually when something like that is actually wrong, Wrye Smash would indicate that. I have managed to run the game just fine before with those mods listed in my load order as they are now. Even so, I tried to do what you just said, but no luck. I thought that perhaps the case was that I had too many mods, but even now that I've brought it to just over 240, it still doesn't fix a thing. I'll continue fiddling and see if I can find the cause...
Nathriel Posted June 1, 2014 Author Posted June 1, 2014 I finally figured out that somehow the Unofficial High Resolution texture pack patch was causing the issue. Not really sure why, but I disabled it for now. It might be that something I did reset my ini files which removed the lines that loaded the high resolution texture pack bsa files. That would explain why I was getting a Crash on Startup even though I don't have any of the esp's enabled of the texture pack nor of the patch. I also realize I don't really need the high resolution texture pack anyway, since I'm using a mod for my textures.
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