Modding Armor for CHSBHC BBP tutorial for 3ds max

[CherryHotaling]

Heyo everyone' date='

 

First off before anything else I wanted to say "THANK YOU" Cherry! What you'll see below is utter junk in comparison to the divines of modding. I just did this as a test to see if I could possibly pull it off.

 

I haven't touched 3ds max for a couple years, and I never felt comfortable with the program. Surprisingly enough, after messing with mods over the years, I had less trouble trying the second time. Especially due to this spectacular guide.

 

The real reason I'm posting this is to show that even a noob modder like me could pull something like this off:

 

SFW:

 

[video=dailymotion']http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xnyinm_tesv-chsbhc-animated-armor-test_na

 

 

 

I really love this body style (CHSBHC BBP), and I wish more people would try their own hands at making armor/clothes for it.

 

On a side note, in the guide it lists to copy over the BSLightingShaderProperty, and I used this same method with NialphaProperty. Not sure if this is required for it, but knowing how things are far from perfect in import/export style I used this way. I may decide to try my hand at finishing this, or trying another. Though I must say, the 100% slider breasts are quite a challenge to mold to >.<. (at least for a novice that needs to learn more of the tools available in 3dsmax).

 

I do have one question though...How do you, on both armor and clothes make the boobs perfectly even on both sides? (besides just utter bad ass skill?)

 

Awweee cant see the pic

 

Also i added the Alpha part to the FAQ section because I forgot to add that part as the example we had didnt use the Alpha

 

As far as having them the same (It just looks that way) with the armor It just takes me a little time to make sure they are even lol.

 

When you make a new body mesh from scratch you only build half of it and mirror it.

But you can do that with armor etc that has already been created and mapped for the game.

[CherryHotaling]

I have a small problem. I make really small changes in armor' date=' copy all BSLightingShaderProperty. When I copy NiaAlfaProperty - the game crash. So I delete it and get this.

[spoiler=scary']

 

I think I messes up with skeleton because I load armor only. 100% I checked all the right markers while importing and exporting in 3ds Max. Can somebody please help me out =)

 

P.S. It would be great if somebody make simple tutorial only for armor modeling, so after that he could manage to complete all the stuff in this epic tut. =)

 

Hmmm did you do the _0 and )1 of the armor file?

Looks like you have the slider of the body between 0 and 100 for weight.

Bring up the showracemenu and put the weight all the way up or all the way down and see if it all snaps into place? If it doesnt then one of your _0 or _1 files need to be checked to make sure they have the same amount of verticies.

 

Also can we get a screenshot of the armor in #ds Max after you copied the skin modifier from my body?

 

Go here the Second Q and A answers what I mean about verts etc:

http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=4514&pid=86861#pid86861

[Vitriks]

I have a small problem. I make really small changes in armor' date=' copy all BSLightingShaderProperty. When I copy NiaAlfaProperty - the game crash. So I delete it and get this.

[spoiler=scary']

 

I think I messes up with skeleton because I load armor only. 100% I checked all the right markers while importing and exporting in 3ds Max. Can somebody please help me out =)

 

P.S. It would be great if somebody make simple tutorial only for armor modeling, so after that he could manage to complete all the stuff in this epic tut. =)

 

Hmmm did you do the _0 and )1 of the armor file?

Looks like you have the slider of the body between 0 and 100 for weight.

Bring up the showracemenu and put the weight all the way up or all the way down and see if it all snaps into place? If it doesnt then one of your _0 or _1 files need to be checked to make sure they have the same amount of verticies.

 

Also can we get a screenshot of the armor in #ds Max after you copied the skin modifier from my body?

 

Go here the Second Q and A answers what I mean about verts etc:

http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=4514&pid=86861#pid86861

This Armour doesn't have weight slider, so I copy and just rename _0 to _1. And like I said, I just open single armor without skeleton or you body.

 

After I add NiaAlfaProperty from the original armor, I get this

 

 

And I check my NiNode and for some reason they have different values from the originals. How did it happend?

 

[barbariank]

Thank you for this awesome tutorial !

 

I'm doing a test run with an orcish armor that i'm adapting to cbbe's slim body v3 and to my taste (a little skin but not too much

 

i'm going to export it right now, i hope i'll be able to do it

my first attempt was crashing my game so wish me luck

 

Edit: Well no luck for me, ingame i can only see my character nude :/

 

here is the file if someone wish to help me http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23333186/cuirassf_0.nif

[CherryHotaling]

I have a small problem. I make really small changes in armor' date=' copy all BSLightingShaderProperty. When I copy NiaAlfaProperty - the game crash. So I delete it and get this.

[spoiler=scary']

 

I think I messes up with skeleton because I load armor only. 100% I checked all the right markers while importing and exporting in 3ds Max. Can somebody please help me out =)

 

P.S. It would be great if somebody make simple tutorial only for armor modeling, so after that he could manage to complete all the stuff in this epic tut. =)

 

Hmmm did you do the _0 and )1 of the armor file?

Looks like you have the slider of the body between 0 and 100 for weight.

Bring up the showracemenu and put the weight all the way up or all the way down and see if it all snaps into place? If it doesnt then one of your _0 or _1 files need to be checked to make sure they have the same amount of verticies.

 

Also can we get a screenshot of the armor in #ds Max after you copied the skin modifier from my body?

 

Go here the Second Q and A answers what I mean about verts etc:

http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=4514&pid=86861#pid86861

This Armour doesn't have weight slider, so I copy and just rename _0 to _1. And like I said, I just open single armor without skeleton or you body.

 

After I add NiaAlfaProperty from the original armor, I get this

 

 

And I check my NiNode and for some reason they have different values from the originals. How did it happend?

 

 

That weird color thing is usually because you didnt copy the shader from the original.

[Silvist]

Bah all that effort, so annoying. It was a video link, not an image.

 

I'll just paste a straight link to it:

 

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xnyinm_tesv-chsbhc-animated-armor-test_creation

 

I used the built in dailymotion link on the forum, guess I didn't use it right. Also it may have been set to adult by default of my uploads. I promptly made sure to change it, due to the nature of the current vid.

[barbariank]

I've found a solution to my problem, it was in the BSDismemberSkinInstance

now i can see my armor ingame but i have some clipping to work on

 

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23333186/2012-01-25_00001.jpg

[CherryHotaling]

I've found a solution to my problem' date=' it was in the BSDismemberSkinInstance

now i can see my armor ingame but i have some clipping to work on

 

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23333186/2012-01-25_00001.jpg

[/quote']

 

Oh awesome work!

[CherryHotaling]

Bah all that effort' date=' so annoying. It was a video link, not an image.

 

I'll just paste a straight link to it:

 

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xnyinm_tesv-chsbhc-animated-armor-test_creation

 

I used the built in dailymotion link on the forum, guess I didn't use it right. Also it may have been set to adult by default of my uploads. I promptly made sure to change it, due to the nature of the current vid.

 

This is great!

love the work! keep it up!

[CherryHotaling]

So everyone knows

Version 2.4 is out with over 30 additional animations.

http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=3787

Try them on your custom Armor/Clothing your making for the CHSBHC BBP mod.

 

Version V2.4 "CHSBHC-Body-Physics-ModV2.4"

-17 Female Animations added with physics: mt_idle, mt_runbackward, mt_runbackwardleft, mt_runbackwardright, mt_runforward, mt_runforwardleft, mt_runforwardright, mt_runleft, mt_runright, mt_walkbackward, mt_walkbackwardleft, mt_walkbackwardright, mt_walkforward, mt_walkforwardleft, mt_walkforwardright, mt_walkleft, and mt_walkright

-17 Male Animations added with physics: mt_idle, mt_runbackward, mt_runbackwardleft, mt_runbackwardright, mt_runforward, mt_runforwardleft, mt_runforwardright, mt_runleft, mt_runright, mt_walkbackward, mt_walkbackwardleft, mt_walkbackwardright, mt_walkforward, mt_walkforwardleft, mt_walkforwardright, mt_walkleft, and mt_walkright

-Physics distance render has been adjusted for machines running lower graphics settings.

-Fixed issue with some latent crashes related to the elf race in certain circumstances.

-All Females that use male animations will now have Breast and butt physics as well

[PhineasColby]

Heyo everyone' date='

 

First off before anything else I wanted to say "THANK YOU" Cherry! What you'll see below is utter junk in comparison to the divines of modding. I just did this as a test to see if I could possibly pull it off.

 

I haven't touched 3ds max for a couple years, and I never felt comfortable with the program. Surprisingly enough, after messing with mods over the years, I had less trouble trying the second time. Especially due to this spectacular guide.

 

The real reason I'm posting this is to show that even a noob modder like me could pull something like this off:

 

SFW:

 

[video=dailymotion']http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xnyinm_tesv-chsbhc-animated-armor-test_na

 

 

 

I really love this body style (CHSBHC BBP), and I wish more people would try their own hands at making armor/clothes for it.

 

On a side note, in the guide it lists to copy over the BSLightingShaderProperty, and I used this same method with NialphaProperty. Not sure if this is required for it, but knowing how things are far from perfect in import/export style I used this way. I may decide to try my hand at finishing this, or trying another. Though I must say, the 100% slider breasts are quite a challenge to mold to >.<. (at least for a novice that needs to learn more of the tools available in 3dsmax).

 

I do have one question though...How do you, on both armor and clothes make the boobs perfectly even on both sides? (besides just utter bad ass skill?)

 

I want it, wow...

[CherryHotaling]

Heyo everyone' date='

 

First off before anything else I wanted to say "THANK YOU" Cherry! What you'll see below is utter junk in comparison to the divines of modding. I just did this as a test to see if I could possibly pull it off.

 

I haven't touched 3ds max for a couple years, and I never felt comfortable with the program. Surprisingly enough, after messing with mods over the years, I had less trouble trying the second time. Especially due to this spectacular guide.

 

The real reason I'm posting this is to show that even a noob modder like me could pull something like this off:

 

SFW:

 

[video=dailymotion']http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xnyinm_tesv-chsbhc-animated-armor-test_na

 

 

 

I really love this body style (CHSBHC BBP), and I wish more people would try their own hands at making armor/clothes for it.

 

On a side note, in the guide it lists to copy over the BSLightingShaderProperty, and I used this same method with NialphaProperty. Not sure if this is required for it, but knowing how things are far from perfect in import/export style I used this way. I may decide to try my hand at finishing this, or trying another. Though I must say, the 100% slider breasts are quite a challenge to mold to >.<. (at least for a novice that needs to learn more of the tools available in 3dsmax).

 

I do have one question though...How do you, on both armor and clothes make the boobs perfectly even on both sides? (besides just utter bad ass skill?)

 

I want it, wow...

 

I think you have a fan hehe.

[MayerCheater]

Described clearly, even for beginners. But I was able to change only a bikini. I downloaded specifically for the test. Because there is almost nothing to change. But with the other armor the game crashes. I guess I'll find out eventually. Thank you very much. You're the best.

[ekwood]

Damn silvist, and you claim that was easy?

 

Great face btw, I especially like the glowy eyes. I don't suppose you would be willing to share your mods and other customizations used?

 

Anyhow, if that was easy I can't even begin to imagine what we will be seeing a month or so from now.

[barbariank]

I have question, is tesselating a part of the armor mesh can break something up

 

[I tryed to make a better nord plate armor (using the male version)

and i had to use some tesselation on certain part but now i have weird things ingame,

like when i put boots or gloves random polygons vanished from the armor but when i remove any boots and gloves then everything is back to normal] Found why

 

i wasn't able to use the smooth effect either, or at least not really as it doesn't look as smooth as the originale mesh was :/

 

So i'd like to know that before doing further modifications, thank you : )

[CherryHotaling]

I have question' date=' is tesselating a part of the armor mesh can break something up

 

[I tryed to make a better nord plate armor (using the male version)

and i had to use some tesselation on certain part but now i have weird things ingame,

like when i put boots or gloves random polygons vanished from the armor but when i remove any boots and gloves then everything is back to normal] Found why

 

i wasn't able to use the smooth effect either, or at least not really as it doesn't look as smooth as the originale mesh was :/

 

So i'd like to know that before doing further modifications, thank you : )

 

You cant apply a Tessalate to a mesh it actually changes the verticies completely. This will cause your UV and everything to mismatch in the game. BAD idea.

[teals03]

I am brand new to editing and this was my first shot at trying it out. A big thanks to you Cherry for this impossible to mess up, super detailed guide. Because without it, I wouldn't have even have had a chance to STILLLLL not get it right... oh man.

 

Anyways... I attempted to convert the Dragonbone Armor from the KillerKeos Skimpy set. I used a super silly CBBE body that I generated from the slider. I used the preset from the slider made to be compatible for BBP if that makes a difference.

 

I followed the guide carefully, and changed the shader properties in nifskope as the guide said, but for some reason every time I try to put on the armor I get a CTD.

 

3DSMax Pic

Nifskope Pic

 

I also tried using your female body meshes Cherry, but I still got a CTD. Also when I select Editable Mesh from the female body mesh it changes the mesh and then goes back to what it was when I select Skin again. With the CHSBHC mesh it only changes slightly, but with CBBE the change is really dramatic. I didnt notice this until the end as I was deleting the skin mesh from the armor file to replace with the skin mesh from the body file. I started to mess with the vertices again to try and refit the armor to the now different body mesh, but then it just kinda fixed itself. If someone could explain exactly what is going on here I would be most gracious.

 

3DS Mesh Changes 1

3DS Mesh Changes 2

 

Finally this is the file that I used to export from 3DSMax.

 

3DSMax File

 

There is clearly something that I am doing wrong, but I have no idea what it is. I think it might have something to do with the part when im deleting the skin data, because I dont think its showing up at all after I add in the skin data from the body mesh, or maybe during the export process with selecting all the pieces.

[Vitriks]

Ok, I find a very serious error in your tutorial. The reason why my model doesn't save all the data while I try to export it in 3ds max it was that I was using "Export selected" instead just simple "Export". It may be just me but, still... My 3ds Max is 2012.

[Souldemon]

i have a problem with the weight slider. min and max works perfekt, but everything between is broken somehow.

 

 

 

anybody knows where is the problem?

[CherryHotaling]

I am brand new to editing and this was my first shot at trying it out. A big thanks to you Cherry for this impossible to mess up' date=' super detailed guide. Because without it, I wouldn't have even have had a chance to STILLLLL not get it right... oh man.

 

Anyways... I attempted to convert the Dragonbone Armor from the KillerKeos Skimpy set. I used a super silly CBBE body that I generated from the slider. I used the preset from the slider made to be compatible for BBP if that makes a difference.

 

I followed the guide carefully, and changed the shader properties in nifskope as the guide said, but for some reason every time I try to put on the armor I get a CTD.

 

3DSMax Pic

Nifskope Pic

 

I also tried using your female body meshes Cherry, but I still got a CTD. Also when I select Editable Mesh from the female body mesh it changes the mesh and then goes back to what it was when I select Skin again. With the CHSBHC mesh it only changes slightly, but with CBBE the change is really dramatic. I didnt notice this until the end as I was deleting the skin mesh from the armor file to replace with the skin mesh from the body file. I started to mess with the vertices again to try and refit the armor to the now different body mesh, but then it just kinda fixed itself. If someone could explain exactly what is going on here I would be most gracious.

 

3DS Mesh Changes 1

3DS Mesh Changes 2

 

Finally this is the file that I used to export from 3DSMax.

 

3DSMax File

 

There is clearly something that I am doing wrong, but I have no idea what it is. I think it might have something to do with the part when im deleting the skin data, because I dont think its showing up at all after I add in the skin data from the body mesh, or maybe during the export process with selecting all the pieces.

 

The NiAlpha you need to delete that in your new file and copy it from the original.

(For some reason this gets boinked up on export from max)

So copy the original alpha to your new one I think i put it in the faqs section of the first page.

[CherryHotaling]

i have a problem with the weight slider. min and max works perfekt' date=' but everything between is broken somehow.

 

 

 

anybody knows where is the problem?

[/quote']

 

your vertex are different look at the FAQ section of the first page it will tell you how to check.

[teals03]

Cherry your awesome that totally fixed the CTD.

 

Now I have another problem. The armor doesnt show up at all. The breast size changed, the physics work, I gain in armor rating as I would as if I was wearing it, and the enchantment works fine. So I am indeed wearing the armor, but none of the actual armor is showing up, which is confusing because shouldn't the skin not show up either and just have it all be invisible?

[teals03]

YYYYYYYYEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!

 

I figured it out. Apparently there is yet another step some of us MAYBE might need to preform in order to get sweet, sweet justice. According to me, not having my armor show up at all was a complete injustice to all that is good and righteous.

 

How I fixed my armor not showing up in game:

 

1. Open your armor in NifSkope.

2. Click on the '# NiTriShape' for the piece that isnt showing up in game.

3. Click on NiTriShapeData.

4. In that window you should find a block called 'Has Vertex Colors'. You want to modify that value from 'no' to 'yes'.

5. Repeat for any other piece that isnt showing up for the armor and you should be able to now see your armor in game.

Picture for Reference

 

My Armor in Game with BBP and everything.

 

I also found out that there are numerous small fixes that I need to do that didn't show up in 3DSMax. There is a small seam in the right side of the chest. The nipples show up just a little bit, and although I didnt make any changes to the boots and they aren't even apart of the mesh that I changed, they now also have seem issues in the back.

 

I think I am finally starting to gain some incite in to just how much work gets put into perfecting these things and I was just modifying an already existing mesh. It would have to be a freaking nightmare to create something from scratch.

[ThalonMook]

Hi,

 

at first thx for that tutorial.

I have a little expirience with moddeling. I made some mods for oher games X3 Fallout Oblivion aso.

Your tut give me some new tipps for moddeling in skyrim.

 

I made the nocturnal dress working for the newest CBBE Body but got one problem when I export the dress.

The vertex count from the body mesh will be different in NifScope form that was shown in Max (Max=3471 NifScope=3543)

I checked all settings they are the same as yours in the tut.

 

Do you have any idea what happend ?

 

I use Max 2010 and NifTools 3.7.2.41462df

[Souldemon]

thank you, the vertex count was different, as you said. now it works

 

but now i have another problem with the next armor (forsworn armor)

it has a NiAlphaProperty. as described in your faq i replaced the nialphaproperty with the one from the original armor, but i get a CTD everytime

could there be problems because i deleted the feathers?