Is it possible to make poison scale on certain weapons only using a .esp file?

[Darkpig]

Like the title says I'm trying to make poisons scale to certain weapons. Mostly for it to scale like sneak attack damage. But it doesn't work as I hoped:

 

 

As you can see I set very specific conditions for it to only trigger when sneaking and undetected. I even added certain keywords to poison effects so I know that isn't the problem. Unfortunately that one line "HasKeyword(WeapTypeDagger)" is causing me grief. For some reason it doesn't recognize this condition. What am I doing wrong? Do I need to set a different condition or do I need to go through the annoyance of making a new script?

[Tlam99]

Thats a perk entry for a magi effect scaling on the first glance.

Neither the player nor the effect can have the keyword weapontype dagger.

 

 

Some more

Poison, enchantment, spell are different ways to apply a MGEF.

Alchemy skill defines/scale the MGEF of the poison.

To scale the mgef via weapon type I don't see a scriptless way, because there i no direct relation.

 

A possible way would be some sort of leveled list.

weapontype dagger magnitude x

weapontype sword magnitude y

 

The base magnitude has been defined already via alch perk.

 

Edited December 12, 2024 by Tlam99

[MadMansGun]

maybe wornhaskeyword or getequipped / isequipped?

 

https://ck.uesp.net/wiki/GetEquippedItemType

Edited December 12, 2024 by MadMansGun

[Darkpig]

On 12/12/2024 at 2:29 AM, MadMansGun said:

maybe wornhaskeyword or getequipped / isequipped?

 

https://ck.uesp.net/wiki/GetEquippedItemType

I'm pretty sure I already tried that. I'll try it again but:

On 12/11/2024 at 10:26 PM, Tlam99 said:

To scale the mgef via weapon type I don't see a scriptless way, because there i no direct relation.

 

A possible way would be some sort of leveled list.

weapontype dagger magnitude x

weapontype sword magnitude y

 

The base magnitude has been defined already via alch perk.

If what TIam99 said is correct I may either have to create a new script or do something with leveled lists. But yeah thank you both for the suggestions. I'll try them both and get back to you.

[AndrewLRG]

Are you sure condition "PlayerRef.HasKeyword(WeapTypeDagger" is correct? Vanilla perks (like "Barbarian80") are using Subject.HasKeyword(WeapTypeBattleaxe) for PRKC 1.

 

Update:

 

And the condition itself should be in PRKC 0 section. As far as I understand in "Entry Point - Mod Spell Magnitude" "PRKC 0" is used for conditions that apply on perk owner, while "PRKC 1" on the affected spell.

A mod "Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim" https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/1137 has a perk "ORD_Enc30_StaffChanneler_Perk_30_OrdASISExclude" that changes enchantment strength while player is holding a staff. This perk uses "Entry Point - Mod Spell Cost", but I think the principal is the same. You could have a look how it's done there.

Edited December 13, 2024 by AndrewLRG

[Darkpig]

Status Update: Okay I've figured it out sort of. @MadMansGun was right. GetEquippedItemType does affect spell magnitude including poisons. @AndrewLRG also had a good point as I just put the condition in the wrong PRKC. At the same time I haven't been successful at using keywords to scale poisons. That is a shame because despite GetEquippedItemType sort of scaling poisons on daggers as the system doesn't care whether or not you are using a dagger or a mace as long as you have a dagger in one of your hands which gives a bad taste in my mouth:

Spoiler

I'll continue exploring for alternatives.