alternateaccounts Posted August 13, 2024 Posted August 13, 2024 I'm about 160 mods deep at the moment, and around 20 mods ago I started getting this problem. Sometimes when entering a cell the screen goes black after loading and the game freezes. This usually happens when entering an interior cell. Reloading the latest save and re-entering will usually cause the same black screen freeze. Using coc to go to the same cell does not result in a freeze. I started a new game and the problem remains. Solutions I've tried: Increase page-file size to 20gb. Engine Crash Fixes. Deleting and disabling all autosaves. Disabling more recent mods in the hope of getting lucky. Does anyone have any ideas? I'm at my wits end.
Dorabella Posted August 13, 2024 Posted August 13, 2024 10 minutes ago, alternateaccounts said: I'm about 160 mods deep at the moment, and around 20 mods ago I started getting this problem. If you already had the problem, why continue? You only made the situation worse . This, already excludes the latest installed mods 11 minutes ago, alternateaccounts said: I started a new game and the problem remains. If it's some mod, of course It would be helpful to know whether CTD occurs ina specific transition , or in any Possible solutions : Install Grid Transition Fix ( don't know if it exists for SE/AE ) Disable autosave while traveling (COC , does not activate this function) Disable possible extensions (e.g. Skyrim Bruma) , join a new game Disable possible extensions for cities/villages. (e.g CoP Withrun or Spaghetti Riverwood) , join a new game Although it is not 100% reliable , Papyrus, it might give some useful pointers Post here Crash Log , your load order, report FNIS
Grey Cloud Posted August 13, 2024 Posted August 13, 2024 (edited) 5 hours ago, alternateaccounts said: Engine Crash Fixes. You should have followed a guide. Installing ECF after 160 mods sets off alarm bells. Edited August 13, 2024 by Grey Cloud
alternateaccounts Posted August 13, 2024 Author Posted August 13, 2024 1 hour ago, Dorabella said: If you already had the problem, why continue? You only made the situation worse . This, already excludes the latest installed mods sunk cost fallacy >Disable autosave while traveling (COC , does not activate this function) >Disable possible extensions (e.g. Skyrim Bruma) , join a new game >Disable possible extensions for cities/villages. (e.g CoP Withrun or Spaghetti Riverwood) , join a new game Tried these as per OP, not using extension mods. 13 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: Engine Crash Fixes. I only tried that as a last resort and removed it since it didn't help.
alternateaccounts Posted August 13, 2024 Author Posted August 13, 2024 1 hour ago, Dorabella said: Post here Crash Log , your load order, report FNIS It's not generating a postmortem crash log because it's a freeze not a crash, I have to kill it with taskmanager. No warnings on FNIS, all tickboxes green in SL. Load order: Spoiler # This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer. Skyrim.esm Update.esm Dawnguard.esm HearthFires.esm Dragonborn.esm ccBGSSSE001-Fish.esm ccQDRSSE001-SurvivalMode.esl ccBGSSSE037-Curios.esl ccBGSSSE025-AdvDSGS.esm _ResourcePack.esl unofficial skyrim special edition patch.esp Acheron.esm SexLab.esm SexLabAroused.esm Devious Devices - Assets.esm Devious Devices - Integration.esm Devious Devices - Expansion.esm Devious Devices - Contraptions.esm ZaZAnimationPack.esm CreatureFramework.esm Extra Encounters Reborn - Basic.esm Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm PamaPrisonAlternative.esm Practical Restraints.esm HighHeelsCondition.esp SkyUI_SE.esp ImprovedRoads.esp Public Whore.esp FurnitureMarkerSex.esp BFT Ships and Carriages.esp BalazarTheHusky.esp The Ancient Profession.esp SLUTS.esp Extra Encounters Reborn - Dragonborn.esp Prison Alternative POP Addon.esp SexLab_RelationshipDialogueSystem.esp CustomComments.esp Extra Encounters Reborn - CSP.esp SexLab_Solutions.esp SexLab UtilityPlus.esp SexLab Theft and Seduction.esp Laura's Bondage Shop.esp Skyrim Unbound Addon - Orc Strongholds.esp KS Hairdo's.esp KSHairVanilla1.esp DIbella's Blessing.esp DeviousFollowers.esp yps-ImmersivePiercing.esp KSHairForAncientProf.esp SimpleSlavery.esp Animal_Research.esp submissivelola_est.esp The Amazing World of Bikini Armors REMASTERED.esp KidnappedByRieklings.esp KidnappedByRieklings_GoblinSlayer.esp AcheronExtensionLibrary.esp RaceMenu.esp RaceMenuPlugin.esp XPMSE.esp BD Armor and clothes replacer.esp CBBE.esp RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp 3BBB.esp SOSPhysicsManager.esp FSMPM - The FSMP MCM.esp KSHairdosSMP.esp KSHairVanilla3.esp KSHairVanilla2.esp MoreNastyCritters.esp Practical Defeat.esp SLAnimLoader.esp SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp Creature Comforts - Addon.esp Simple Events - Addon.esp Devious Devices SE patch.esp Devious Devices For Him.esp MCMHelper.esp UIExtensions.esp Devious Devices - NG - Armbinder replacer.esp Devious Devices - NG - Piercing replacer.esp DHLP_Redux.esp Spank That Ass.esp Dealer's Choice - DFF Addon.esp SexLabTools.esp HeelsFix.esp HentaiCreatures.esp Sexlab - Cum Overlays.esp Extra Encounters Reborn - Dawnguard.esp Extra Encounters Reborn - HSR.esp RapeTattoos.esp SlaveTats.esp Impact Play.esp Tirk the Horny Riekling.esp _GSPoses.esp Apachii_Maids.esp BikiniRobesStandalone.esp RideSharing.esp Follower Slavery Mod.esp dse-display-model.esp BakaFactoryABC.esp MNC_ABC_Patch.esp SexLab Inflation Framework.esp PWComments.esp SLNights.esp YameteKudasai.esp PnP-Heels-Sound.esp CondHHW.esp Cumshot.esp CumshotSL.esp Highheels.esp TheEyesOfBeauty.esp SLSO.esp SimpleItemSpawner.esp NoOverpenetration.esp Devious Chastity Piercing.esp SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp DeviousInterests.esp ApachiiMaids 3BA.esp CumSwallowNeedsAddon.esp CumSwallowNeeds_BeggingAddon.esp Schlongs of Skyrim.esp SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp FadeTattoos.esp FMEA Skyrim.esp Nicki_Follower.esp FNIS.esp SLAL_AnimationByBakaFactory.esp ach_DD.esp SexlabLightMeUp.esp saltless.esp SexLabHorribleHarassment.esp PAN_NPCs_Males.esp PAN_NPCs_Males2.esp BakaMotionData.esp (Pumpkin)-TEWOBA-TheExpandedWorldofBikiniArmor.esp AnubAnimObj.esp Skyrim Unbound.esp Skyrim Unbound - Female by Default.esp nwsFollowerFramework.esp
alternateaccounts Posted August 13, 2024 Author Posted August 13, 2024 6 minutes ago, Dorabella said: Post here , load order , FNIS report Load order in previous post. FNIS report: Spoiler FNIS Behavior V7.6 XXL 2024/08/13 13:50:57 Skyrim SE 64bit: 1.6.1170.0 - C:\Games\Steam\steamapps\common\Skyrim Special Edition\ (Steam) Skeleton(hkx) female: XPMS2HDT (126 bones) male: XPMS2HDT (126 bones) Patch: "SKELETON Arm Fix" Reading AcheronEL V1.0 ... ChAnims:54 CTD:0,6% pOpt:0,4% Reading Anubs Human V1.0 ... ChAnims:1300 CTD:7,6% pOpt:1,7% Reading AyasatoAnims V1.0 ... ChAnims:90 CTD:0,5% pOpt:0,1% Reading Babo Creature V1.0 ... ChAnims:291 CTD:1,8% pOpt:0,4% Reading Babo Human V1.0 ... ChAnims:482 CTD:3,0% pOpt:0,7% Reading BaboMotionData V?.? ... ChAnims:159 CTD:1,8% pOpt:1,1% Reading Billyy_CreatureBeasts V1.0 ... ChAnims:448 CTD:2,7% pOpt:0,6% Reading Billyy_CreatureConstructs V1.0 ... ChAnims:155 CTD:1,0% pOpt:0,2% Reading Billyy_CreatureFurnitureInvis V1.0 ... ChAnims:42 CTD:0,2% pOpt:0,0% Reading Billyy_CreatureHumanoids V1.0 ... ChAnims:498 CTD:3,0% pOpt:0,7% Reading Billyy_CreatureHumanoidsLarge V1.0 ... ChAnims:324 CTD:2,0% pOpt:0,5% Reading Billyy_CreatureInsects V1.0 ... ChAnims:276 CTD:1,7% pOpt:0,4% Reading Billyy_CreatureMisc V1.0 ... ChAnims:130 CTD:0,8% pOpt:0,2% Reading Billyy_Human V1.0 ... ChAnims:1290 CTD:7,8% pOpt:1,9% Reading Billyy_HumanDD V1.0 ... ChAnims:441 CTD:2,7% pOpt:0,7% Reading Billyy_HumanFurnitureDD V1.0 ... ChAnims:80 CTD:0,5% pOpt:0,1% Reading Billyy_HumanFurnitureInvis V1.0 ... ChAnims:342 CTD:2,1% pOpt:0,5% Reading Billyy_HumanLesbian V1.0 ... ChAnims:310 CTD:1,9% pOpt:0,5% Reading Billyy_HumanLesbianDD V1.0 ... ChAnims:120 CTD:0,8% pOpt:0,2% Reading Billyy_HumanOrgy V1.0 ... ChAnims:337 CTD:1,9% pOpt:0,4% Reading BimbosOfSkyrim V?.? ... ChAnims:11 CTD:0,1% pOpt:0,0% Reading DD V5.3 ... ChAnims:171 CTD:1,9% pOpt:1,2% Reading DD2 V4.0.0 ... ChAnims:0 CTD:0,0% pOpt:0,0% Reading DD3 V4.1.0 ... ChAnims:0 CTD:0,0% pOpt:0,0% Reading DDC V5.3 ... ChAnims:337 CTD:2,3% pOpt:0,8% Reading DDSL V5.3 ... ChAnims:766 CTD:4,8% pOpt:1,2% Reading DeviousFollowers V1.00 ... ChAnims:34(34) CTD:1,3% pOpt:0,0% Reading DF_Spank V1.0 ... ChAnims:70 CTD:0,4% pOpt:0,1% Reading dse-display-model V100 ... ChAnims:79 CTD:0,9% pOpt:0,0% Reading FNISBase V7.6 ... ChAnims:0 CTD:0,0% pOpt:0,0% Reading FNISCreatureVersion V7.0 ... ChAnims:0 CTD:0,0% pOpt:0,0% Reading GSPoser V?.? ... ChAnims:567 CTD:2,2% pOpt:0,0% Reading InteractiveGallow V?.? ... ChAnims:4 CTD:0,0% pOpt:0,0% Reading Kudasai V2.0 ... ChAnims:19 CTD:0,1% pOpt:0,0% Reading MoreNastyCritters V1.0 ... ChAnims:344 CTD:2,2% pOpt:0,6% Reading PracticalDefeat V2.0 ... ChAnims:15 CTD:0,1% pOpt:0,0% Reading PrisonAlternative V?.? ... ChAnims:25 CTD:0,2% pOpt:0,1% Reading RideSharing V1.00 ... ChAnims:1 CTD:0,0% pOpt:0,0% Reading SexLab V1.64 ... ChAnims:882 CTD:5,6% pOpt:1,5% Reading SexLab_Aroused_Creatures V1.0 ... ChAnims:1 CTD:0,0% pOpt:0,0% Reading SexLabAP V1.64 ... ChAnims:142 CTD:0,9% pOpt:0,2% Reading SexLabCreature V1.64 ... ChAnims:177 CTD:1,2% pOpt:0,3% Reading SpankThatAss V4.0.0 ... ChAnims:2 CTD:0,0% pOpt:0,0% Reading SRBCreatures V1.0 ... ChAnims:28 CTD:0,2% pOpt:0,0% Reading Wizard6_Animations V1.0 ... ChAnims:48 CTD:0,3% pOpt:0,1% Reading XPMSE V7.2 ... ChAnims:164(164) CTD:2,2% pOpt:0,0% Reading ZaZAnimationPack V8.00 ... ChAnims:1669 CTD:7,9% pOpt:0,1% Reading ZaZAnimationPack+ V8.00 ... ChAnims:42 CTD:0,2% pOpt:0,0% All Anim Lists scanned. Generating Behavior Files... Alternate Animation mods: 2 sets: 21 total groups: 35 added file slots: 210 alternate files: 198 Create Creature Behaviors ... Reading Billyy_CreatureConstructs V1.0 ... Reading MoreNastyCritters V1.0 ... Reading Babo Creature V1.0 ... Reading AcheronEL V?.? ... Reading BaboMotionData V?.? ... Reading Billyy_CreatureBeasts V1.0 ... Reading SexLabCreature V1.63 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureHumanoidsLarge V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureInsects V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureMisc V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureFurnitureInvis V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureHumanoids V1.0 ... Reading dse-display-model V100 ... Reading SRBCreatures V1.0 ... Reading SexLab_Aroused_Creatures V1.0 ... 12767 animations for 48 mods successfully included (character) ChAnims: 12767 CTD:81,3% pOpt:17,8% max: 15711 LC: 21260 (max. 26162) 4646 animations for 15 mods and 45 creatures successfully included.
traison Posted August 13, 2024 Posted August 13, 2024 The only practical solution to a freeze is to rip your setup apart. Disable mods until the problem goes away. You can sometimes make some educated guesses by trying to estimate what was around you before the loading screen, and what had been around you after the loading screen. Realistically however, say you were in Riverwood, pretty much the only thing you can be certain of is that the freeze was not caused by Dwemer architecture (unless of course you have a mod that places some of that nearby). If I'm not mistaken, a somewhat common thing for freezes is the various "wenches" mods and (perhaps) their hairstyles. Could be remembering wrong though. The technical approach to a freeze would be to get a debugger into SkyrimSE.exe, and to identify the thread that is stuck. I find neither of these are particularily easy. Once that is done, you need to locate where in the code it is stuck, how it got stuck and how to not get it stuck again. I'd probably be looking at 1-2 weeks plus, 8 hours minimum a day, of work on something like this.
Dorabella Posted August 13, 2024 Posted August 13, 2024 11 minutes ago, alternateaccounts said: KidnappedByRieklings.esp KidnappedByRieklings_GoblinSlayer.esp I tried it myself . Basically, useless . You get kidnapped, the hero on duty comes, and that's the end of it . With Aroused Creatures, to get fucked by the Rieklings, just go to Solstheim 22 minutes ago, alternateaccounts said: ZaZAnimationPack.esm It is the version required by Prison Alternative ? (Zap8 ) You can try disabling DD . Several times I have seen it give some problems. The point is not to remove but , find the cause and correct
alternateaccounts Posted August 13, 2024 Author Posted August 13, 2024 53 minutes ago, traison said: The only practical solution to a freeze is to rip your setup apart. Disable mods until the problem goes away. You can sometimes make some educated guesses by trying to estimate what was around you before the loading screen, and what had been around you after the loading screen. Realistically however, say you were in Riverwood, pretty much the only thing you can be certain of is that the freeze was not caused by Dwemer architecture (unless of course you have a mod that places some of that nearby). If I'm not mistaken, a somewhat common thing for freezes is the various "wenches" mods and (perhaps) their hairstyles. Could be remembering wrong though. The technical approach to a freeze would be to get a debugger into SkyrimSE.exe, and to identify the thread that is stuck. I find neither of these are particularily easy. Once that is done, you need to locate where in the code it is stuck, how it got stuck and how to not get it stuck again. I'd probably be looking at 1-2 weeks plus, 8 hours minimum a day, of work on something like this. Yeah I also assumed it would be something changing skin or hair so I disabled the yps and bimbo mods for a new test but it ended up happening again. The issue isn't all that frequent so I really have a hard time narrowing it down. The problem is that I can play for an hour without it showing up so I think I'm good then out of nowhere it strikes again. 50 minutes ago, Dorabella said: I tried it myself . Basically, useless . You get kidnapped, the hero on duty comes, and that's the end of it . With Aroused Creatures, to get fucked by the Rieklings, just go to Solstheim Yeah I have the goblinslayer esp disabled, it's there because it's my first time trying Practical Defeat and it's one of the few scenarios available. 51 minutes ago, Dorabella said: It is the version required by Prison Alternative ? (Zap8 ) it's the correct version
Dorabella Posted August 13, 2024 Posted August 13, 2024 Use this ? If yes , verify that they are configured according to the instructions Animation Limit Crash Fix SSE SSE Engine Fixes (skse64 plugin)
alternateaccounts Posted August 13, 2024 Author Posted August 13, 2024 10 minutes ago, Dorabella said: Use this ? If yes , verify that they are configured according to the instructions Okay, I had the engine fixes on before, I tried both together now, edited the .toml file to disable the option per instructions. Still no dice. I'm trying to enter mistveil keep, it does the 1 second load and then black screens. I can coc in there no problem so it's not being in the cell that causes the freeze, must be related to transition somehow.
Dorabella Posted August 13, 2024 Posted August 13, 2024 2 hours ago, alternateaccounts said: ImprovedRoads.esp Extra Encounters Reborn - Dragonborn.esp Extra Encounters Reborn - CSP.esp ImprovedRoad Compatibility and required files: Requires: Nothing Incompatible with: Nothing I kow of. May be incompatible with mods that add new locations, such as you may have a predator in your cabins front yard or your house along a road now has bandits there. Unless a specific cause comes up on the transitions, the only one is , go by trial and error
Grey Cloud Posted August 13, 2024 Posted August 13, 2024 3 hours ago, alternateaccounts said: I only tried that as a last resort and removed it since it didn't help. My point was that if you follow a guide you will see that there are quite a few preparatory steps before installing the actual mods. 1
alternateaccounts Posted August 13, 2024 Author Posted August 13, 2024 9 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: My point was that if you follow a guide you will see that there are quite a few preparatory steps before installing the actual mods. Very helpful, thank you.
alternateaccounts Posted August 13, 2024 Author Posted August 13, 2024 So cleaned out some mods, started a new save and its okay again. I suspect FMEA YPS immersive fashion/bimbo mods to be involved somehow with no evidence whatsoever. Moral of the story, if it worked before and it doesn't now, the problem lies in MO.
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